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Erm Schmigget

Hope and Calvin both showed why they dominated the league tonight.  But there's one glaring difference on the stat sheets: turnovers.  Hope was relatively stingy with the ball, committing only 13 TOs, while turning Adrian over 27 times.  Just looking at the score you might guess it would be something like that.  I was really surprised when I looked over the Calvin/Kzoo stats, however, that Calvin committed 23 while Kzoo only had 15.  Even more surprising is that most of Calvin's TOs (16) came from the starters.  (Hope's starters combined for 3.)  This seems uncharacteristic of the Lady Knights.

Can anyone who was at the VanNoord shed some light on this?
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Dark Knight

Quote from: Erm Schmigget on February 22, 2011, 11:57:10 PM
Hope and Calvin both showed why they dominated the league tonight.  But there's one glaring difference on the stat sheets: turnovers.  Hope was relatively stingy with the ball, committing only 13 TOs, while turning Adrian over 27 times.  Just looking at the score you might guess it would be something like that.  I was really surprised when I looked over the Calvin/Kzoo stats, however, that Calvin committed 23 while Kzoo only had 15.  Even more surprising is that most of Calvin's TOs (16) came from the starters.  (Hope's starters combined for 3.)  This seems uncharacteristic of the Lady Knights.

Can anyone who was at the VanNoord shed some light on this?

Kzoo played hard on defense and got some legitimate steals, but Calvin made a bunch of weak passes into the post or cross court that Kzoo was able to pick off.

Turnovers have been Calvin's achilles heel this season.

Erm Schmigget

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 23, 2011, 06:02:28 AM
Kzoo played hard on defense and got some legitimate steals, but Calvin made a bunch of weak passes into the post or cross court that Kzoo was able to pick off.

Turnovers have been Calvin's achilles heel this season.


Thanks, DK.  Sounds like Kzoo did their homework the way Albion's men did on Hope's men last week.  Their turnovers were of the weak passes variety as well.
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Quote from: Erm Schmigget on February 23, 2011, 07:45:01 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 23, 2011, 06:02:28 AM
Kzoo played hard on defense and got some legitimate steals, but Calvin made a bunch of weak passes into the post or cross court that Kzoo was able to pick off.

Turnovers have been Calvin's achilles heel this season.


Thanks, DK.  Sounds like Kzoo did their homework the way Albion's men did on Hope's men last week.  Their turnovers were of the weak passes variety as well.

To be fair, I guess one should balance Calvin's high number of turnovers with the high field goal percentage (56.6% for this game) -- post entry passes are more likely to be picked off but they result in a high likelihood of scoring.

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Quote from: sac on February 22, 2011, 10:00:25 PM
#2 Hope 103, #7 Adrian 42

http://www.miaa.org/wbb/stats/1011/0222adri.htm

Yeesh!!!!

Pretty impressive to see every player score, all but 1 have a rebound, and all but 2 have an assist. 
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Erm Schmigget

Quote from: Dark Knight on February 23, 2011, 08:13:25 AM
Quote from: Erm Schmigget on February 23, 2011, 07:45:01 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on February 23, 2011, 06:02:28 AM
Kzoo played hard on defense and got some legitimate steals, but Calvin made a bunch of weak passes into the post or cross court that Kzoo was able to pick off.

Turnovers have been Calvin's achilles heel this season.


Thanks, DK.  Sounds like Kzoo did their homework the way Albion's men did on Hope's men last week.  Their turnovers were of the weak passes variety as well.

To be fair, I guess one should balance Calvin's high number of turnovers with the high field goal percentage (56.6% for this game) -- post entry passes are more likely to be picked off but they result in a high likelihood of scoring.


True.  And with a center like Verkaik, it's hard to argue with a game plan involving lots of post entry passes.
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Looks like Hope will get the chance to play most of the players again tonight.
Calvin looks to have the tougher game.  I would expect a game more like the first one back on 12/18 with Calvin winning by 8.
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Calvin  63  A;bion  36
Hope   66  Trine     47

Big show down at the VNA on Sat.
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HopeConvert

Trine still only had 2 points with 7 minutes left in the first half. Hope looked largely disinterested once they realized they weren't going to hold Trine to single digit scoring. The final score was not an indication of how badly outclassed Trine was.
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Thanks. HC I wondered about that watching the live stats.  The only problem with being so dominant is it must be tough developing the mental toughness the tournament requires.
In this mornings Calvin sports release they mentioned CV is now over 500 on career rebounds.
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Flying Dutch Fan

So does Calvin need to win to get in the NCAA tournament?
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KnightSlappy

Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 25, 2011, 11:01:26 AM
So does Calvin need to win to get in the NCAA tournament?

I wouldn't think so.

They'd be sporting a 0.905 win percentage and a 0.490ish SOS.

I'm not as intimate with the details of the Women's selection, but a WP on the plus side of 0.900 will get you in despite a not-great SOS.

Dark Knight

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 25, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 25, 2011, 11:01:26 AM
So does Calvin need to win to get in the NCAA tournament?

I wouldn't think so.

They'd be sporting a 0.905 win percentage and a 0.490ish SOS.

I'm not as intimate with the details of the Women's selection, but a WP on the plus side of 0.900 will get you in despite a not-great SOS.

Here are the final regional rankings:
Great Lakes
1. Thomas More 24-0 25-0
2. Hope 22-1 24-1
3. Denison 23-0 25-0
4. Hanover 22-1 23-1
5. Calvin 17-1 21-4
6. DePauw 19-2 22-3


If Hope does manage to win the MIAA tournament, that would leave three teams ahead of Calvin in the regional rankings. How many of those three would have to be upset in their respective tournaments or otherwise not make Pool A to knock Calvin out of Pool C?

Flying Dutch Fan

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 25, 2011, 11:27:17 AM
Quote from: Flying Dutch Fan on February 25, 2011, 11:01:26 AM
So does Calvin need to win to get in the NCAA tournament?

I wouldn't think so.

They'd be sporting a 0.905 win percentage and a 0.490ish SOS.

I'm not as intimate with the details of the Women's selection, but a WP on the plus side of 0.900 will get you in despite a not-great SOS.

Thanks - right in line with my thinking.
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