WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

Dark Knight · December 31, 2011, 03:33:13 PM

Quote from: realist on December 31, 2011, 03:27:34 PM
Calvin beats Luther 74- 38. Lots of playing time for the bench. Something like 12 or 13 people scored for Calvin. Irwin hit 4 3's, and the commentator said she has yet to shoot a 2 point shot this season.

Luther's 38 points was their lowest score of the season--by 9 points. They scored 47 against WI La Crosse, and 53 against undefeated River Falls.

wiz · December 31, 2011, 07:25:52 PM

Quote from: wiz on December 30, 2011, 11:34:11 PM
Another outstanding game for Verkaik as she shoots at a 50% clip, scores 27, hauls down 10 rebounds and blocks 6 shots!

And then the next day she follows up with 11 points, 6 blocked shots, and 8 boards in only 15 minutes of play.

Dark Knight · January 01, 2012, 01:51:05 PM

The Knights have really picked it up on defense in the last four games. You can rate the defense for a game by taking the opponent's Massey offensive rating (the points they would score against an average opponent) and subtract the points they actually scored.

For the first seven games, Calvin's defense played with a rating of about 6.0. For the last four games, their defensive rating averages an outstanding 22. For comparison, the highest-rated defense in DIII has a rating of 17.6--a figure probably inflated by a slow style of play.

KnightSlappy · January 03, 2012, 12:38:06 PM

Quote from: realist on December 31, 2011, 03:27:34 PM
Calvin beats Luther 74- 38. Lots of playing time for the bench. Something like 12 or 13 people scored for Calvin. Irwin hit 4 3's, and the commentator said she has yet to shoot a 2 point shot this season.

Looks like she has 3 attempts, but hasn't hit on a two point shot yet. She's a ridiculous 26-58 (.448) from beyond the arc.

realist · January 03, 2012, 03:45:07 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 03, 2012, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: realist on December 31, 2011, 03:27:34 PM
Calvin beats Luther 74- 38. Lots of playing time for the bench. Something like 12 or 13 people scored for Calvin. Irwin hit 4 3's, and the commentator said she has yet to shoot a 2 point shot this season.

Looks like she has 3 attempts, but hasn't hit on a two point shot yet. She's a ridiculous 26-58 (.448) from beyond the arc.

During the game the commentator made the comment about her not shooting 2's, and I checked the stats before I posted, but now I see the Luther stats show her 4-8 on fga, and 4-5 on 3's. I don't remember hearing them say she missed a 2, but with the score so lopsided I went on to other things.

bballfan13 · January 04, 2012, 03:12:53 PM

Someone asked me the other day where I thought Calvin ranked in terms of teams in the state of Michigan across all levels. This is an interesting question and there really is no way to tell unless the teams all played a schedule with each other but I thought I might take a look into it and give it a shot. The best and easiest way I thought I could do this was to use Massey's rankings.

I believe I got every school in the state except the JC's. Please let me know if I left someone out. MIAA schools are bolded. Here they are:

Rank School Overall Massey Rating
1. Michigan     21
2. MSU     78
3. Eastern     91
4. Central     119
5. Detroit Mercy     167
6. Oakland     252
7. Davenport     325
8. Michigan Tech     331
9. Calvin     332
10. Ferris     404
11. Western     516
12. Hope     528
13. Wayne St     529
14. Concordia     539
15. Northern Michigan     549
16. Hillsdale 593
17. Grand Valley     618
18. Northwood     711
19. Lake Superior State      866
20. Albion     888
21. Saginaw Valley     909
22. Sienna Heights     953
23. Aquinas     970
24. Cornerstone     987
25. Madonna     1071
26. Spring Harbor     1222
27. Adrian     1231
28. Alma     1237
29. Rochester     1370
30. Kalamazoo     1486
31. Olivet     1492
32. Marygrove     1599
33. MI Dearborn     1617
34. Grace Bible     1876

ziggy · January 05, 2012, 01:33:14 PM

Quote from: bballfan13 on January 04, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
Someone asked me the other day where I thought Calvin ranked in terms of teams in the state of Michigan across all levels. This is an interesting question and there really is no way to tell unless the teams all played a schedule with each other but I thought I might take a look into it and give it a shot. The best and easiest way I thought I could do this was to use Massey's rankings.

I believe I got every school in the state except the JC's. Please let me know if I left someone out. MIAA schools are bolded. Here they are:

Rank School Overall Massey Rating
1. Michigan     21
2. MSU     78
3. Eastern     91
4. Central     119
5. Detroit Mercy     167
6. Oakland     252
7. Davenport     325
8. Michigan Tech     331
9. Calvin     332
10. Ferris     404
11. Western     516
12. Hope     528
13. Wayne St     529
14. Concordia     539
15. Northern Michigan     549
16. Hillsdale 593
17. Grand Valley     618
18. Northwood     711
19. Lake Superior State      866
20. Albion     888
21. Saginaw Valley     909
22. Sienna Heights     953
23. Aquinas     970
24. Cornerstone     987
25. Madonna     1071
26. Spring Harbor     1222
27. Adrian     1231
28. Alma     1237
29. Rochester     1370
30. Kalamazoo     1486
31. Olivet     1492
32. Marygrove     1599
33. MI Dearborn     1617
34. Grace Bible     1876

Finlandia would be 34th at 1733. Drops Grace to 35th.

wwjjdd · January 05, 2012, 09:04:47 PM

Because I have observed over the years that posters comment from time-to-time on the relative merits of broadcasters, I have decided to comment on the mystifying reporting of the Holland Senile sports reporting staff as observed this morning.

According to the official box-score from last evenings game against Alma the starters were listed as below with the total points scored by each:

24 Nate Snuggerud...... f 21
35 Nate VanArendonk.... f 9
11 David Krombeen...... g 15
32 Billy Seiler........ g 10
44 Peter Bunn.......... g 13

In the body of the reporting, you read "Hope's starters combined for 29 points, with Krombeen leading the way with eight." According to the above, the starters scored 68 points, Krombeen scored 15, and Snuggerud "lead the way" with 21.

On the women's side, the print headline for the game report reads, "Hope women's basketball scorches Olivet, sets up showdown with Calvin." Hope won 66-52, hardly a "scorching." At least the online version now reads "tops" vice "scorches." The "Krombeen leading the way with eight" remains online.

To the infrequent reader of the Senile, such reporting may appear to be a one-time aberration, However, as a daily reader, puzzlers such as these keep me scratching my head in wonderment and awe. Obviously, the Peter Principle still prevails!

Dark Knight · January 05, 2012, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: bballfan13 on January 04, 2012, 03:12:53 PM
Someone asked me the other day where I thought Calvin ranked in terms of teams in the state of Michigan across all levels. This is an interesting question and there really is no way to tell unless the teams all played a schedule with each other but I thought I might take a look into it and give it a shot. The best and easiest way I thought I could do this was to use Massey's rankings.

I believe I got every school in the state except the JC's. Please let me know if I left someone out. MIAA schools are bolded. Here they are:

Rank School Overall Massey Rating
1. Michigan     21
2. MSU     78
3. Eastern     91
4. Central     119
5. Detroit Mercy     167
6. Oakland     252
7. Davenport     325
8. Michigan Tech     331
9. Calvin     332
10. Ferris     404
11. Western     516
12. Hope     528
13. Wayne St     529
14. Concordia     539
15. Northern Michigan     549
16. Hillsdale 593
17. Grand Valley     618
18. Northwood     711
19. Lake Superior State      866
20. Albion     888
21. Saginaw Valley     909
22. Sienna Heights     953
23. Aquinas     970
24. Cornerstone     987
25. Madonna     1071
26. Spring Harbor     1222
27. Adrian     1231
28. Alma     1237
29. Rochester     1370
30. Kalamazoo     1486
31. Olivet     1492
32. Marygrove     1599
33. MI Dearborn     1617
34. Grace Bible     1876

How about Kuyper College? Not a very strong program yet--they lost to Grace Bible by 12--but they did beat Northland Int'l University 44-12.

http://www.kuyper.edu/Womens_Basketball/

(That would appear to make Northland Int'l a 121-point underdog vs. Michigan...)

Dark Knight · January 05, 2012, 10:47:24 PM

Latest Massey ratings for the MIAA:

Calvin #7
Hope #20
Albion #77
St Mary's #106
Adrian #179
Alma #182
Kalamazoo #271
Olivet #273

Calvin climbed 6 spots to #7 after the strong trip out west. Calvin's power climbed by 4.7 points--3.5 of that in defensive improvement. That's a dramatic change for adding just two game results.

Massey now thinks Calvin will beat Hope by 10 on Saturday.

Roundball999 · January 06, 2012, 06:33:40 AM

Quote from: Dark Knight on January 05, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Latest Massey ratings for the MIAA:

Calvin #7
Hope #20
Albion #77
St Mary's #106
Adrian #179
Alma #182
Kalamazoo #271
Olivet #273

Calvin climbed 6 spots to #7 after the strong trip out west. Calvin's power climbed by 4.7 points--3.5 of that in defensive improvement. That's a dramatic change for adding just two game results.

Massey now thinks Calvin will beat Hope by 10 on Saturday.

Hard to argue with Massey on this one. Hope has been winning but has not been as dominant as Calvin. Hope's starting center and co-captain, who started out very strong this year, is out. Calvin is at home. While either team is capable of winning, this one figures to be a double digit win for Calvin.

bballfan13 · January 06, 2012, 08:29:33 AM

Quote from: Roundball999 on January 06, 2012, 06:33:40 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on January 05, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Latest Massey ratings for the MIAA:

Calvin #7
Hope #20
Albion #77
St Mary's #106
Adrian #179
Alma #182
Kalamazoo #271
Olivet #273

Calvin climbed 6 spots to #7 after the strong trip out west. Calvin's power climbed by 4.7 points--3.5 of that in defensive improvement. That's a dramatic change for adding just two game results.

Massey now thinks Calvin will beat Hope by 10 on Saturday.

Hard to argue with Massey on this one. Hope has been winning but has not been as dominant as Calvin. Hope's starting center and co-captain, who started out very strong this year, is out. Calvin is at home. While either team is capable of winning, this one figures to be a double digit win for Calvin.

Yes, I agree on paper it looks like a double digit win for Calvin. But you never know with Calvin vs. Hope..... Should be a good one!

wiz · January 06, 2012, 12:56:14 PM

Quote from: bballfan13 on January 06, 2012, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 06, 2012, 06:33:40 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on January 05, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Latest Massey ratings for the MIAA:

Calvin #7
Hope #20
Albion #77
St Mary's #106
Adrian #179
Alma #182
Kalamazoo #271
Olivet #273

Calvin climbed 6 spots to #7 after the strong trip out west. Calvin's power climbed by 4.7 points--3.5 of that in defensive improvement. That's a dramatic change for adding just two game results.

Massey now thinks Calvin will beat Hope by 10 on Saturday.

Hard to argue with Massey on this one. Hope has been winning but has not been as dominant as Calvin. Hope's starting center and co-captain, who started out very strong this year, is out. Calvin is at home. While either team is capable of winning, this one figures to be a double digit win for Calvin.

Yes, I agree on paper it looks like a double digit win for Calvin. But you never know with Calvin vs. Hope..... Should be a good one!

If you have a weak stomach, my advice is this: Never bet money on a Calvin/Hope game in any sport, any time.

gordonmann · January 06, 2012, 03:17:44 PM

If I had a billion dollars, I'd fly to Grand Rapids to watch this one in person. Instead I'll watch it online from my dining room in Philadelphia.

pointlem · January 06, 2012, 08:33:14 PM

Quote from: bballfan13 on January 06, 2012, 08:29:33 AM
Quote from: Roundball999 on January 06, 2012, 06:33:40 AM
Quote from: Dark Knight on January 05, 2012, 10:47:24 PM
Latest Massey ratings for the MIAA:

Calvin #7
Hope #20
Albion #77
St Mary's #106
Adrian #179
Alma #182
Kalamazoo #271
Olivet #273

Calvin climbed 6 spots to #7 after the strong trip out west. Calvin's power climbed by 4.7 points--3.5 of that in defensive improvement. That's a dramatic change for adding just two game results.

Massey now thinks Calvin will beat Hope by 10 on Saturday.

Hard to argue with Massey on this one. Hope has been winning but has not been as dominant as Calvin. Hope's starting center and co-captain, who started out very strong this year, is out. Calvin is at home. While either team is capable of winning, this one figures to be a double digit win for Calvin.

Yes, I agree on paper it looks like a double digit win for Calvin. But you never know with Calvin vs. Hope..... Should be a good one!

Massey hasn't adjusted for Hope's loss of its top post player to a season-ending ACL. Calvin, based on its crushing margins of victory to date, should be a heavy favorite in all its Hope matchups this year.