WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

sac · January 21, 2013, 05:43:39 PM

Olivet is also doing some things:

7-2 MIAA record, with only losses to Calvin and Hope

12-6 overall record ... most wins since 2006-07 when they also had 12 in a 12-12 season ... 2005-06, they had 13 wins ... two more wins guarantees only second winning season in school history

The most conference wins in a season in school history is nine.

bballforever · January 22, 2013, 10:33:45 AM

You are right. Olivet is a good story too.
I still think there is a big gap between #1/2 and #3/4 in MIAA but you have to play each game, as proven last year by Hope at Trine.

almcguirejr · January 22, 2013, 11:14:56 AM

Holland Sentinel article on the Verkaik sisters:

http://www.hollandsentinel.com/sports/x1665864882/Verkaik-sisters-of-Holland-enjoying-one-and-only-season-together-with-Calvin-College-womens-basketball

Calvinhoops · January 22, 2013, 01:04:47 PM

Great Article, great kids!

sflzman · January 22, 2013, 03:30:46 PM

Quote from: bballforever on January 22, 2013, 10:33:45 AM
You are right. Olivet is a good story too.
I still think there is a big gap between #1/2 and #3/4 in MIAA but you have to play each game, as proven last year by Hope at Trine.

Really there's a gap between 1-2 and 3-8. I really don't think Olivet is that much better than everyone else, and Alma I don't think is either. But those two are finding ways to get W's so you can't complain about the result really...

bballforever · January 23, 2013, 07:42:53 AM

I agree. Those girls work as hard and the #1 and #2 teams and just think how great it will be for them to be in MIAA tourney at end of season. Just another experience they can tell their friends that they got to do as part of D3 bball. It is just fun to have other teams in the mix rather than St. Marys and Albion.

Erm Schmigget · January 24, 2013, 12:20:08 AM

Interesting moment in the second half of the Hope v Kalamazoo game tonight:

After a Kalamazoo miss that bounced over the backboard, Hope was ready to inbound and the Hornets called a timeout. Hope had 5 subs enter the game after the timeout. A Kalamazoo player stepped out of bounds to inbound the ball...and the ref gave her the ball and blew his whistle to resume play. Kalamazoo inbounded, brought the ball to the other end of the court--in front of the Hope bench--where Hope defended them well, but not well enough. A Kalamazoo player put up a shot, which found the net for 2 points. Hope then inbounded the ball, brought the ball across mid court, and set up the offense. That's when Brittany Berry picked up her dribble, turned to the ref and, half chuckling, said something like "That's not our basket.". Right you are, Ms. Berry!

So now what? After about five minutes of sorting it all out, the refs, rightly, instructed the scorer to subtract 2 from the Hornets score, and add 2 to Hope's score, then awarded possession to Kalamazoo under the Hope basket.

I was somewhat distracted for most of this, looking for livestats from other games, but when I finally caught up, I wasn't sure what part was more comical. The Kalamazoo player "stealing the deal"? The ref falling for it? The Hope players defending the wrong hoop? A visiting team working so hard to put points on the board for their host (thank you)? The host then beginning to return the favor? Maybe it was Coach Mo's 5-minute face-palm while the clowns in stripes sorted out the mess.

I usually find something amusing about these Hope/Kalamazoo mismatches of recent years...did not see this one coming.

bballforever · January 24, 2013, 01:40:27 PM

The Trine win mixes it up a bit.

northb · January 24, 2013, 01:51:31 PM

Quote from: Erm Schmigget on January 24, 2013, 12:20:08 AM
Interesting moment in the second half of the Hope v Kalamazoo game tonight:

After a Kalamazoo miss that bounced over the backboard, Hope was ready to inbound and the Hornets called a timeout. Hope had 5 subs enter the game after the timeout. A Kalamazoo player stepped out of bounds to inbound the ball...and the ref gave her the ball and blew his whistle to resume play. Kalamazoo inbounded, brought the ball to the other end of the court--in front of the Hope bench--where Hope defended them well, but not well enough. A Kalamazoo player put up a shot, which found the net for 2 points. Hope then inbounded the ball, brought the ball across mid court, and set up the offense. That's when Brittany Berry picked up her dribble, turned to the ref and, half chuckling, said something like "That's not our basket.". Right you are, Ms. Berry!

So now what? After about five minutes of sorting it all out, the refs, rightly, instructed the scorer to subtract 2 from the Hornets score, and add 2 to Hope's score, then awarded possession to Kalamazoo under the Hope basket.

I was somewhat distracted for most of this, looking for livestats from other games, but when I finally caught up, I wasn't sure what part was more comical. The Kalamazoo player "stealing the deal"? The ref falling for it? The Hope players defending the wrong hoop? A visiting team working so hard to put points on the board for their host (thank you)? The host then beginning to return the favor? Maybe it was Coach Mo's 5-minute face-palm while the clowns in stripes sorted out the mess.

I usually find something amusing about these Hope/Kalamazoo mismatches of recent years...did not see this one coming.

This disposition seems inconsistent. If they had awarded two points to Kalamazoo, then reversed it, why didn't they go further back and call a back court violation on Kalamazoo? It seems like in this situation they should just restart play at the point that they screwed it up, if both coaches agree. Was it the same ref as called the 9 1/2 yard first down?

Erm Schmigget · January 24, 2013, 05:40:29 PM

northb-

I felt the same as you, they should just have a "do-over" starting where they left off before the Kalamazoo timeout. You can read another account, and plenty of discussion of the events, on the MIAA men's board here: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4596.36180 (and some on the previous page). In short, the refs did what they could according to the rules available to apply to this situation. The only thing they could really reverse was who got the points for the basket, and who should then have possession of the ball.

We've all seen refs blow a call, but never have I seen such incompetence, and sustained for so long, until a player in posession of the ball stops and points out the incredible error. Back to your point, I think everyone in the arena last night would have agreed if the clock was turned back, score was reset, and posession given to the correct team. But then, how does anyone account for the ways of an NCAA DIII basketball referee? $:-\$

northb · January 24, 2013, 09:48:51 PM

Quote from: Erm Schmigget on January 24, 2013, 05:40:29 PM
northb-

I felt the same as you, they should just have a "do-over" starting where they left off before the Kalamazoo timeout. You can read another account, and plenty of discussion of the events, on the MIAA men's board here: http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4596.36180 (and some on the previous page). In short, the refs did what they could according to the rules available to apply to this situation. The only thing they could really reverse was who got the points for the basket, and who should then have possession of the ball.

We've all seen refs blow a call, but never have I seen such incompetence, and sustained for so long, until a player in posession of the ball stops and points out the incredible error. Back to your point, I think everyone in the arena last night would have agreed if the clock was turned back, score was reset, and posession given to the correct team. But then, how does anyone account for the ways of an NCAA DIII basketball referee? $:-\$

I agree. It reminds me of a game in which Jeremy Veenstra had the ball, got jostled around and fell to the ground, and was called for double dribble, as he continued to dribble the ball. He kust looked at the ref, then at the ball he was still dribbling, then back at the ref. Ref had to keep the call as it was...

sac · January 25, 2013, 03:23:13 PM

Hope's league opponent scoring avg of 43.9 is just .6 above the record set by Adrian in 1977, pretty much pre-everything.

It will be difficult for Hope to get below that number with a game with Calvin left. But that 43.9 is 5 points lower than the next lowest in the past decade.

Outside of Calvin the most points anyone in the MIAA has scored against them is 44.

For the season they have a real shot at finishing with double the number of offensive rebounds of their opponents. One-half the number of turnovers, and are already double the number of opponent steals.

realist · January 27, 2013, 04:09:41 PM

CV is 13 rebounds away from reaching the 1,000 rebound mark. She should reach it during one of this weeks games.

bballforever · January 28, 2013, 08:04:03 AM

The "top" ranked teams that Calvin beat early are losing and fading fast

bballfan13 · January 28, 2013, 08:22:27 AM

Quote from: bballforever on January 28, 2013, 08:04:03 AM
The "top" ranked teams that Calvin beat early are losing and fading fast

I think the recent slide by St. Thomas is a little surprising but a little expected. Their season definitely is not turning out the way they expected it to. All-American Taylor Young sat out quite a few games with and injury early on and their starting center is out for the year with a foot injury suffered late in the game against Calvin. Steven's Point is still having a good season with a big win in their conference this weekend. The WIAC is much harder than the MIAA so you always expect the top teams in that conference to drop a few. Thomas More hasn't lost since their loss to Calvin and are ranked #10, so I'd say they are still doing well.

So I wouldn't necessarily say they are "fading fast".