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[bballfan13]

I agree with them. Yes, Hope and Thomas More are undefeated but their SOS are extremely weak. That is why they are still below DePauw.  The rankings are not just based on record.

SOS:
DePauw - .546
Hope - .497
Thomas More - .491

[Roundball999]

I'll never truly understand it... probably mostly because I'm unwilling to take the time to really understand the methodologies.  Massey also uses a SoS metric (DePauw 44; Hope 95, Thomas More 159) but has TM ahead of Hope which is ahead of DePauw.  At the end of the day, despite the math I guess its still subjective based on which math and which methodology the pollster chooses to think is important.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

I agree with them. Yes, Hope and Thomas More are undefeated but their SOS are extremely weak. That is why they are still below DePauw.  The rankings are not just based on record.

SOS:
DePauw - .546
Hope - .497
Thomas More - .491

Just to "complete" the picture, the committees also consider RRO (Results versus regionaly ranked opponents)

DePauw is 2-0
Hope is 3-0
Thomas More is 0-0

Totally makes sense to me that they are ranked the way they are.  DePauw's SOS is strong enough to outweight that single loss.  Hope over TM (nearly identical records and SOS) comes down to the RRO.  Having no games against ranked teams can hurt TM (not that they won't make the tournament or anything, but it could affect hosting...).  Seen it on the mens side that a losing record versus RRO is better than no record versus RRO.

[iwumichigander]

I agree with them. Yes, Hope and Thomas More are undefeated but their SOS are extremely weak. That is why they are still below DePauw.  The rankings are not just based on record.

SOS:
DePauw - .546
Hope - .497
Thomas More - .491

Just to "complete" the picture, the committees also consider RRO (Results versus regionaly ranked opponents)

DePauw is 2-0
Hope is 3-0
Thomas More is 0-0

Totally makes sense to me that they are ranked the way they are.  DePauw's SOS is strong enough to outweight that single loss.  Hope over TM (nearly identical records and SOS) comes down to the RRO.  Having no games against ranked teams can hurt TM (not that they won't make the tournament or anything, but it could affect hosting...).  Seen it on the mens side that a losing record versus RRO is better than no record versus RRO.

A very good analysis by both of you.

I'll never truly understand it... probably mostly because I'm unwilling to take the time to really understand the methodologies.  Massey also uses a SoS metric (DePauw 44; Hope 95, Thomas More 159) but has TM ahead of Hope which is ahead of DePauw.  At the end of the day, despite the math I guess its still subjective based on which math and which methodology the pollster chooses to think is important.

Focus on the NCAA math and methods for regional rankings and tournament.  NCAA could care less about Massey, USA or any other ranking system.  It's the NCAA way or no way

[realist]

Calvin 80 Olivet 76  Lang 5 foul, but 32 points.. 
Hope 71  Adrian 48.

[sac]

Great season for Olivet and great crowd at Cutler to watch a very good D3 womens game.


Seems absolutely ludicrous you win 84.6% of your games and have no shot at an at-large bid but that is probably Olivet's fate.

[bballfan13]

Phenomenal game last night between Calvin and Olivet.  Back and forth the whole game, each team answering each other's points.  Calvin did jump out to a 17-8 lead 9 minutes in but after that Olivet responded with a run and it was within 5 points the rest of the way, mostly 1 or 2 points.  Lang was impressive with 32 and 13 boards, she was tough inside last night.  Bre Verkaik also had a huge game for Calvin with 27 and 14 boards. 

Great season for Olivet.  It is a shame they will most likely not make the tournament.  This team could do some damage in the tournament and win a few games.  They are a tough team to play.  The crowd atmosphere was great last night as well.  Olivet did a great job of hosting.

Looking forward to the championship game on Saturday.  It should be a good one.

[pointlem]

I caught a few minutes of the Thomas More game this evening.  Their team has most of the starters back from last year's team which went 27-2 . . . plus added, as a transfer, the former Miss Kentucky basketball who averaged in double figures last year for Florida in her first year in the SEC (19+ ppg in the NIT tournament).  Tonight she scored an NCAA record 63 points.  Obviously, Thomas More is now a much better team than last year.

She will face better defense than she saw tonight.  Still, if I were a betting person, I'd put money on Thomas More as a contender for the NCAA championship.

[Roundball999]

I caught a few minutes of the Thomas More game this evening.  Their team has most of the starters back from last year's team which went 27-2 . . . plus added, as a transfer, the former Miss Kentucky basketball who averaged in double figures last year for Florida in her first year in the SEC (19+ ppg in the NIT tournament).  Tonight she scored an NCAA record 63 points.  Obviously, Thomas More is now a much better team than last year.

She will face better defense than she saw tonight.  Still, if I were a betting person, I'd put money on Thomas More as a contender for the NCAA championship.

I agree, TM looks like a juggernaut right now.  I have to take a little solace from the fact that they allowed a 15-12 team with a very poor SoS to hang close all night and also shoot 53%, while TM played Moss 35 minutes and only went 7 players deep.  Moss took 41 shots and no one else more than 8.  They surely are a championship contender but it will be very interesting to see what happens when they play a top 25 team (they haven't all year) with some defense and great coaching.

[jspiii]

I caught a few minutes of the Thomas More game this evening.  Their team has most of the starters back from last year's team which went 27-2 . . . plus added, as a transfer, the former Miss Kentucky basketball who averaged in double figures last year for Florida in her first year in the SEC (19+ ppg in the NIT tournament).  Tonight she scored an NCAA record 63 points.  Obviously, Thomas More is now a much better team than last year.



She will face better defense than she saw tonight.  Still, if I were a betting person, I'd put money on Thomas More as a contender for the NCAA championship.

I agree, TM looks like a juggernaut right now.  I have to take a little solace from the fact that they allowed a 15-12 team with a very poor SoS to hang close all night and also shoot 53%, while TM played Moss 35 minutes and only went 7 players deep.  Moss took 41 shots and no one else more than 8.  They surely are a championship contender but it will be very interesting to see what happens when they play a top 25 team (they haven't all year) with some defense and great coaching.

This is the first I realized that this is Randy Moss of the NFL's daughter.

[MaroonKnighty]

1 down, 1 to go.  Let's go Lady Knights!

[wwjjdd]

Hollend Sentinel story on tonight's game.  Pay particular attention to the picture of the celebration after the win.  To me, this typifies the Hope Women's BB program.  Congrats to Coach Mo and all the ladies on the team.
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/article/20140301/SPORTS/140309884/2000/NEWS

[sac]

Coach Mo's team is just a pure joy to watch.

[pointlem]

Coach Mo's team is just a pure joy to watch.

Amen, Sac.  They radiate joy and love--of the game and of each other--all of which adds to the pleasure of watching.

With Whitman's loss last night, Hope may be ranked#1 in d3Hooops poll.  Although I'd rather be going into postseason with Angelique and Rebekah on board, what this team has accomplished without them (and without last year's grads), is remarkable.

[sac]

For the third time Coach Morehouse will take his undefeated Dutch on the road in the NCAA's.