WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Sorry sac - I actually didn't see your post... I only saw the MP3 posting.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The first regional rankings are out which in itself brings on a lot of conversation, but the jockeying and positioning contines in conferences around the country for teams trying to keep their seasons going into March.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville, Dave talks to a number of high-ranking squads about the pressure to stay atop their respective conference races while also positioning themselves well in the regional rankings.

Dave also welcomes a coach who has played in DIII, coached in both DII and DIII, and coached both men and women. He talks about the road, possibly, less traveled in the "WBCA Center Court" segment.

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- Ryan Gould, No. 7 Trine women's coach
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[bballforever]

What happens when Calvin and Albion tie for third?

Another coin toss?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

New women's regional rankings: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-second

[bballfan13]

What happens when Calvin and Albion tie for third?

Another coin toss?

They would go through the tiebreakers like Trine and Hope will if tied after today.  Here are the tiebreakers that Sac post back on February 1st:

"In cases where two or more teams conclude MIAA play with identical league records, the ties would
be broken using the following criteria:

a.Head to Head
b.Combined record vs. the teams ahead of the tied teams in the standings.
c.Record against 1st place team, then 2nd place team, etc....all the way through the standings.
d.Total conference road wins
e.Individual road records against conference schools, starting with the 1st place team, then 2nd place
team, etc...all the way through the standings.
f.Record in second half of conference season (last 8 games).
g.In-Region win total.
h.Coin Flip.
In the case of a tie involving multiple teams, the same tie breaking criteria as above would be used
until one team can be placed in position. The remaining tied teams would then
use the above criteria
to establish the next position until no teams remain tied. In an unbreakable tie, the position will be
determined by a coin flip conducted by the Commissioner. (5/12)
3.Once teams have been put in positions 1-8, seeds will be established"

If Trine, Hope and Albion all win today, which they should, then the standings will look like this:

Trine 15-1
Hope 15-1
Calvin 11-5
Albion 11-5

Break the tie for Trine and Hope first:
You need to go all the way down to tiebreaker "F".  Trine would be 8-0 and Hope would be 7-1, because Trine beat Hope more recently.  Trine would be the #1 seed and Hope the #2 seed.

Break the tie for Calvin and Albion:
Again, you need to go all the way down to tiebreaker "F".  Albion would be 6-2 and Calvin would be 5-3, because Albion beat Calvin more recently.  Albion would be the #3 seed and Calvin the #4 seed.

The MIAA tournament would look like this:
#1 Trine vs #4 Calvin
#2 Hope vs #3 Albion

Trine would host the tournament for the 2nd year in a row.

[bballfan13]

Based on my previous post about the MIAA tournament, we could be in store for a good one.  Trine and Hope won all of their games except splitting against each other on the road.  But Calvin and Albion played both of them close.  Look at the results from the year:

Calvin:
at Trine - L 50-47
at Hope - L 58-51
home vs Trine - L 49-46
home vs Hope - L 70-69

Albion:
home vs Hope - L 62-59
home vs Trine - L 67-50
at Hope - L 69-57
at Trine - L 67-59

Calvin lost to Trine by 3 each game and those games could have easily gone Calvin's way.  Calvin also just lost at home to Hope on a buzzer beater heart breaker.  I don't expect this to be an easy semi's, let alone tournament for Trine and Hope.  I could easily see Calvin walking away with this.  If that proves true, then look for 3 NCAA tournament bids just like last year with Trine, Hope and Calvin all getting in.

[HupHolland]

I am pretty sure I heard the Hope AD say they would be doing a coin flip for who gets to host the MiAA Tournament. Coin flip will be at 5:30ish

[Roundball999]

I am pretty sure I heard the Hope AD say they would be doing a coin flip for who gets to host the MiAA Tournament. Coin flip will be at 5:30ish

Hope won the toss and is hosting, playing Calvin 7:30 Friday.

[bballfan13]

Glad I spent time going through the tiebreakers that apparently only exist on the men's side 

Anyone know why the tiebreakers are different on the women's side?  Or even what they officially are?

Looks to be a great tournament in Holland next weekend.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Glad I spent time going through the tiebreakers that apparently only exist on the men's side 

Anyone know why the tiebreakers are different on the women's side?  Or even what they officially are?

Looks to be a great tournament in Holland next weekend.

I do have the women's tiebreakers:

In cases where two or more teams conclude MIAA play with identical league records, the ties would be broken using the following:
a. In a two-way tie, if one team beat the other twice during the regular season, then that team receives the higher seed. If the two teams split during regular season, then compare each team's record with the team highest in the standings and continue down through the standings until the tie is broken.
b. In a multiple tie, teams involved in the tie would compare their regular season record to the other teams tied for that position (i.e., A vs. B and C, B vs. C and A, and C vs. A and B). The team with the worst record then drops out until there are only two teams remaining. At this point, the tie would be broken by using the same procedure used in a two-way tie.
c. If two teams are still tied, compare home wins within the conference; then compare road wins in conference play as the last tie breaker before the coin toss.
d. In an unbreakable tie, the seeding will be determined by a coin flip conducted by the Commissioner.
e. In cases where two or more teams conclude MIAA play with identical league records, the following tiebreaker would be broken using the following format to determine the #4 seed:
i. In a two-way tie, if one team beat the other twice during the regular season, then that team receives the #4 seed. If the two teams split during regular season, the two teams would play on Monday night of MIAA tournament week to determine the team which would advance to the semifinals. This differs from a two-way tie for 1st, 2nd, or 3rd place.
ii. In a multiple tie, teams involved in the tie would compare their regular season record to the other team tied for that position (i.e., A vs. B and C, B vs. C and A, and C vs. A and B). The team with the worst record then drops out until there are only two teams remaining. At this point the tie would be broken using the same procedure used in a two-way tie for 4th place.
f. At this point the two remaining teams would play on Monday night of MIAA tournament week to determine the team which would advance to the semifinals. Home court would be determined by a coin flip conducted by the Commissioner and will be a 7:30 game.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

As for why they are different... previous commissioner(s) allowed both men and women to conduct things differently. Not sure why. Hints are that things like that may start to be cleaned up moving forward.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The NCAA released the third set of women's basketball regional rankings with few changes from last week's version. This is the final set that we'll see before the Tournament bracket is released on Monday. Full list here: http://d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/women-regional-rankings-third

Trying to understand why DePauw is ranked ahead of Hope?

DePauw - 24-1 record vs DIII, 2-1 vs RRO, .531 SOS
Hope - 23-1 record vs DIII, 2-1 vs RRO, .540 SOS

The SOS difference should more than make up for the 1 extra DIII win.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

That SOS is basically not a difference. That SOS is a wash. .009 is not even measurable in the eyes of the committee. So consider it all equal except for the better WL% for DePauw. There are also other criteria like comparable opponents, but I haven't looked there. Most likely those are equal in straight Ws, but they may look at those games more deeply.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

That SOS is basically not a difference. That SOS is a wash. .009 is not even measurable in the eyes of the committee. So consider it all equal except for the better WL% for DePauw. There are also other criteria like comparable opponents, but I haven't looked there. Most likely those are equal in straight Ws, but they may look at those games more deeply.

OK, I get that - just was confused by Hope being ranked #1 the first week, then week 2 & 3 it's DePauw.  Ultimately it really doesn't matter anyway, just curious.