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[monsoon]

Not to ruin the surprise, but there's an article heavily featuring the Hope wbb team coming out on your favorite Division III basketball news site in the next day or two.  The official word is, essentially, you never know what will happen, but they don't anticipate any of the seniors being back.


Anecdotally, as I've talked to coaches and players this year, it seems there are clear trend lines: male players seem eager to do whatever it takes to come back (on the whole, not universally), while female players seem much more content to move on to whatever is next.

Unless they were already planning to take a fifth year or had grad school at the same school lined up already, I'm not sure I've spoken to a single senior female who's changing plans to use that extra year.

Thanks for the good work, Ryan! Excellent article.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Anecdotally, as I've talked to coaches and players this year, it seems there are clear trend lines: male players seem eager to do whatever it takes to come back (on the whole, not universally), while female players seem much more content to move on to whatever is next.

I feel like this is pretty true typically. It seems the average male player, basketball has been a big part, or even the primary part, of their identity since middle school. And for the most part, their female counterparts tend to be much more well rounded. For whatever cultural reason, a parent is much more likely to introduce their son as, "This is my son _____, he plays bball for Hope!" and their daughter as, "This is my daughter _______, she is a Civil Engineering major and Spanish minor at Hope. And she made dean's list and has a job lined up already for when she graduates. Oh, and she starts on the basketball team!"

I also wonder, especially for the very best male players, if there isn't some underlying thought in their minds, "if I could just get the right break, I could catch on a pro in Europe somewhere."  Women players are almost never thinking that way.

[gordonmann]

I liked the tidbit on the legacy papers that Morehouse has them right. I've never heard of coaches doing that, but maybe others do. It's a really cool idea and says a lot about the program's focus on the big picture, beyond basketball.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

I don't mind a homer broadcast, but when your standard call for a missed shot is, "it's up and... oh man, no foul call," it gets a little old after a while. Still, if the pbp guy is a student, I'm impressed.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

I don't mind a homer broadcast, but when your standard call for a missed shot is, "it's up and... oh man, no foul call," it gets a little old after a while. Still, if the pbp guy is a student, I'm impressed.

He did a great job of keeping up with the ball movement and was right on with the players etc. That part was well done indeed. At one point I was wondering if they were just so caught up in the game they forgot they were broadcasting- but then one of them we use their "monster truck rally announcer voice". 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

I don't mind a homer broadcast, but when your standard call for a missed shot is, "it's up and... oh man, no foul call," it gets a little old after a while. Still, if the pbp guy is a student, I'm impressed.

He did a great job of keeping up with the ball movement and was right on with the players etc. That part was well done indeed. At one point I was wondering if they were just so caught up in the game they forgot they were broadcasting- but then one of them we use their "monster truck rally announcer voice".

I like announcers who seem like they're having fun.  I'm willing to forgive a few moments where they take it too far.  A little more variety in vocabulary and little less talking over each other.  It's WAY better than most student broadcasts out there.

[pointlem]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

I don't mind a homer broadcast, but when your standard call for a missed shot is, "it's up and... oh man, no foul call," it gets a little old after a while. Still, if the pbp guy is a student, I'm impressed.

He did a great job of keeping up with the ball movement and was right on with the players etc. That part was well done indeed. At one point I was wondering if they were just so caught up in the game they forgot they were broadcasting- but then one of them we use their "monster truck rally announcer voice".

I like announcers who seem like they're having fun.  I'm willing to forgive a few moments where they take it too far.  A little more variety in vocabulary and little less talking over each other.  It's WAY better than most student broadcasts out there.

I agree with you all. Even with the complaining about referee calls, their great voices and infectious energy suggests that . . . with the addition of a tad more professionalism . . . they could both have a future in broadcasting.

[TUAngola]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

I don't mind a homer broadcast, but when your standard call for a missed shot is, "it's up and... oh man, no foul call," it gets a little old after a while. Still, if the pbp guy is a student, I'm impressed.

He did a great job of keeping up with the ball movement and was right on with the players etc. That part was well done indeed. At one point I was wondering if they were just so caught up in the game they forgot they were broadcasting- but then one of them we use their "monster truck rally announcer voice".

I like announcers who seem like they're having fun.  I'm willing to forgive a few moments where they take it too far.  A little more variety in vocabulary and little less talking over each other.  It's WAY better than most student broadcasts out there.

I agree with you all. Even with the incessant complaining about every close referee call, their great voices and infectious energy suggests that . . . with the addition of a tad more professionalism . . . they could both have a future in broadcasting.

The announcers for last nights Hope-Trine WBB game are both Trine students.  John Kay is a communications major and Brooke Cunningham is a criminal justice major and former player on the Trine softball team.  They are both "Michiganders" too, John is from Petoskey and Brooke is from Manton.  I think John has a real good future as either a play by play or color commentator.  Brooke is mostly a PA announcer at the Trine women volleyball games and fills in every now and then with color at basketball games.  The regular Trine PBP guy is Andy Brown who is a communications professor at Trine, and does an outstanding job.  I understand the comments about the commentators being less biased, but these are just kids, we gotta lighten up.  I sometimes just mute the broadcast if it gets a little too awkward.  But all student broadcasters are 'homers' to an extent.  I've listened to Adrian and Albion student PBP and it's the same deal, every call against their team is a bad call.

The game itself sorta lived up to the hype.  First half was UGLY for both teams.  Second half was much more fluid with more offense.  Difference was Hope was able to get to the free throw line and Trine didn't.  Man we really miss Katy Steers at PG, both our PGs now, Makayla Ardis and Kaylee Argyle, had way too many careless turnovers.  Kaylee's younger sister Alyssa with her best game of her career for Trine.  But our 2 all conference returness in Tara and Kayla both had poor shooting nights, and Tara battled foul trouble too.

Just so impressed with Hope.  We all know about the stellar senior class, probably one of the best classes in womens' D3 history?  But you Dutch fans there will be a lot to look forward to.  I've been so impressed with Ella McKinney in both of the Trine games.  She'll be a standout the next couple of years and would probably be a starter at any other D3 school not named 'Hope'.  Majerus and Baguley will have more opportunities to be the 'go to' girls next year as well.

[Pat Coleman]

But all student broadcasters are 'homers' to an extent.

This isn't actually true.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

But all student broadcasters are 'homers' to an extent.

This isn't actually true.

Agreed - have watched and heard many student broadcasts that were excellent. I get that they may be in different stages of developing their abilities but for many of them this is related to a class or even their major or minor.  Whether that is true or not, we should expect students to grow in those abilities and hold them to higher standards, rather than just awarding them all a participation trophy.

[sac]

Heck of a defensive battle in Angola tonight with Hope up 24-20 at the half. Not sure who the commentators are (I assume students) but they need to work on at least feigning a little impartiality, or at the very least stop complaining about every call.

I don't mind a homer broadcast, but when your standard call for a missed shot is, "it's up and... oh man, no foul call," it gets a little old after a while. Still, if the pbp guy is a student, I'm impressed.

He did a great job of keeping up with the ball movement and was right on with the players etc. That part was well done indeed. At one point I was wondering if they were just so caught up in the game they forgot they were broadcasting- but then one of them we use their "monster truck rally announcer voice".

I like announcers who seem like they're having fun.  I'm willing to forgive a few moments where they take it too far.  A little more variety in vocabulary and little less talking over each other.  It's WAY better than most student broadcasts out there.

I agree with you all. Even with the incessant complaining about every close referee call, their great voices and infectious energy suggests that . . . with the addition of a tad more professionalism . . . they could both have a future in broadcasting.

The announcers for last nights Hope-Trine WBB game are both Trine students.  John Kay is a communications major and Brooke Cunningham is a criminal justice major and former player on the Trine softball team.  They are both "Michiganders" too, John is from Petoskey and Brooke is from Manton.  I think John has a real good future as either a play by play or color commentator.  Brooke is mostly a PA announcer at the Trine women volleyball games and fills in every now and then with color at basketball games.  The regular Trine PBP guy is Andy Brown who is a communications professor at Trine, and does an outstanding job.  I understand the comments about the commentators being less biased, but these are just kids, we gotta lighten up.  I sometimes just mute the broadcast if it gets a little too awkward.  But all student broadcasters are 'homers' to an extent.  I've listened to Adrian and Albion student PBP and it's the same deal, every call against their team is a bad call.

The game itself sorta lived up to the hype.  First half was UGLY for both teams.  Second half was much more fluid with more offense.  Difference was Hope was able to get to the free throw line and Trine didn't.  Man we really miss Katy Steers at PG, both our PGs now, Makayla Ardis and Kaylee Argyle, had way too many careless turnovers.  Kaylee's younger sister Alyssa with her best game of her career for Trine.  But our 2 all conference returness in Tara and Kayla both had poor shooting nights, and Tara battled foul trouble too.

Just so impressed with Hope.  We all know about the stellar senior class, probably one of the best classes in womens' D3 history?  But you Dutch fans there will be a lot to look forward to.  I've been so impressed with Ella McKinney in both of the Trine games.  She'll be a standout the next couple of years and would probably be a starter at any other D3 school not named 'Hope'.  Majerus and Baguley will have more opportunities to be the 'go to' girls next year as well.

FWIW, Hope's JV team went unbeaten.

[Roundball999]

Unusual but nice move by Hope's Coach Morehouse to start all nine seniors on Senior Day.  It earned the Dutch a technical to open the game but was a great way to recognize this standout senior class and the typical balance of the Hope team.  Coach Mo had discussed the move in advance with the officials so the T was handled efficiently and the game moved on.  Nice gesture.  On to the conference tournament this week, the Dutch earned the right to host as long as they win which means some of their family members have the opportunity to attend the games under current COVID policies

[HOPEful]

Nice article on Kenedy and Olivia.

https://www.hollandsentinel.com/story/sports/2021/03/01/kenedy-schoonveld-olivia-voskuil-leave-unprecedented-legacy-hope-together/6880719002/

[scottiedawg]

Gracious. Calvin women go 1-14 with 9 turnovers in the first quarter.