WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[Roundball999]

The Hope College men's and women's basketball games scheduled for Wednesday-Thursday, Jan. 5-6, have been postponed due to COVID-19 protocols.

Makeup dates are to be determined for the Flying Dutchmen's MIAA opener vs. Trine University on Wednesday at DeVos Fieldhouse, and the Flying Dutch's MIAA game at Alma College on Wednesday and their non-league game against Illinois College at DeVos Fieldhouse on Thursday.

Looks like the Dutch's postponed game at Alma has been rescheduled for Monday January 10

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The Hope College men's and women's basketball games scheduled for Wednesday-Thursday, Jan. 5-6, have been postponed due to COVID-19 protocols.

Makeup dates are to be determined for the Flying Dutchmen's MIAA opener vs. Trine University on Wednesday at DeVos Fieldhouse, and the Flying Dutch's MIAA game at Alma College on Wednesday and their non-league game against Illinois College at DeVos Fieldhouse on Thursday.

Looks like the Dutch's postponed game at Alma has been rescheduled for Monday January 10

And now both the Saturday game and the Monday reschedule are also postponed as Hope Women's Basketball  is "put on pause" per the Hope sports email I just got

Hope is also not going to be offering concessions for any home games

[Roundball999]

Yikes, barring further postponements the Dutch are now scheduling 6 games in 10 days, beginning next Wednesday with Adrian at Devos then Thursday with the twice-rescheduled game at Alma.  No makeup date yet for the postponed Illinois College game.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Yikes, barring further postponements the Dutch are now scheduling 6 games in 10 days, beginning next Wednesday with Adrian at Devos then Thursday with the twice-rescheduled game at Alma.  No makeup date yet for the postponed Illinois College game.

Yeah, really not ideal, but their depth should certainly help get through that kind of a schedule.  Just have to hope they are all healthy again.

[HOPEful]

Yeah, really not ideal, but their depth should certainly help get through that kind of a schedule.  Just have to hope they are all healthy again.

Silver lining? Every player with COVID now will have immunity through the remainder of the season and postseason

[Jester1390]

Well that doesn't mean they won't test again positive.  Doesn't matter if you had Covid or not.

[Roundball999]

Well that doesn't mean they won't test again positive.  Doesn't matter if you had Covid or not.

Sure it matters.  Some degree of immunity would result for some period of time for some of those infected; though there are no guarantees with this virus and its variants.

[HOPEful]

Well that doesn't mean they won't test again positive.  Doesn't matter if you had Covid or not.

Sure it matters.  Some degree of immunity would result for some period of time for some of those infected; though there are no guarantees with this virus and its variants.

This. Obviously, I wasn't implying they'd never get COVID again. But there is at least a 3 month immunity period that should take them all right through the playoffs.

On another note, Trine is currently seated as #2 in the country according the Massey. Albion and Calvin are 22 and 27 respectively.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Well that doesn't mean they won't test again positive.  Doesn't matter if you had Covid or not.

Sure it matters.  Some degree of immunity would result for some period of time for some of those infected; though there are no guarantees with this virus and its variants.

This. Obviously, I wasn't implying they'd never get COVID again. But there is at least a 3 month immunity period that should take them all right through the playoffs.

On another note, Trine is currently seated as #2 in the country according the Massey. Albion and Calvin are 22 and 27 respectively.

The problem is if some of these are close contacts instead of positives - then you can get the cycle repeated over and over, albeit with a shorter down time.

[Roundball999]

Well that doesn't mean they won't test again positive.  Doesn't matter if you had Covid or not.

Sure it matters.  Some degree of immunity would result for some period of time for some of those infected; though there are no guarantees with this virus and its variants.

This. Obviously, I wasn't implying they'd never get COVID again. But there is at least a 3 month immunity period that should take them all right through the playoffs.

On another note, Trine is currently seated as #2 in the country according the Massey. Albion and Calvin are 22 and 27 respectively.

The problem is if some of these are close contacts instead of positives - then you can get the cycle repeated over and over, albeit with a shorter down time.

Does the NCAA still require quarantine for all close contacts?  Current CDC guidance is that anyone vaccinated with booster need not quarantine at all.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Well that doesn't mean they won't test again positive.  Doesn't matter if you had Covid or not.

Sure it matters.  Some degree of immunity would result for some period of time for some of those infected; though there are no guarantees with this virus and its variants.

This. Obviously, I wasn't implying they'd never get COVID again. But there is at least a 3 month immunity period that should take them all right through the playoffs.

On another note, Trine is currently seated as #2 in the country according the Massey. Albion and Calvin are 22 and 27 respectively.

The problem is if some of these are close contacts instead of positives - then you can get the cycle repeated over and over, albeit with a shorter down time.

Does the NCAA still require quarantine for all close contacts?  Current CDC guidance is that anyone vaccinated with booster need not quarantine at all.

I mean, there should be fewer and fewer, but I don't think its been as easy everywhere for people to get boosters - and if students were just vaccinated at the beginning of the school year, they're just now becoming eligible.  I know there's some leeway in the CDC definition of vaccinated to make up for that, but that's not true for every state and institutional definition.

It's not like the elimination of the quarantine was a medical decision; it was definitely about keeping pilots and nurses on the job and the risk was deemed acceptable.  Acceptable risk is not usually the forte of decisionmakers on college campuses.  It's going to vary a lot from place to place.

[Roundball999]

Understand what you are saying about boosters.  Here, getting boosters is easy, getting rapid tests is impossible.

That quarantine elimination has been extended to everyone, not just doctors and nurses.  I'm on my employer's Covid policy committee so study this quite a bit.  Virtually every decision with this virus has been about acceptable risk and balancing risk.  When company managers or university administrators decide they know better than the CDC, typically they actually create more risk even if they don't understand that.

[Jester1390]

well roundball in this case i hate to say i was right.  you had posted about the silver lining about covid and i responded that just cause you had it doesnt mean you wont again.  Well i predicted it and unlucky for my daughter she proved it true. After having covid last year and being vaccinated. Really people need to stop calling it a vaccination its not. Its a shot or a zpac pill to help limit the symptons.  You never hear any one say i got a mild case of polio. vaccination means you dont get it.

Kid has tested positive again. She had 102.3 temp but is feeling much better today. whole team was in quarantine but they are all negative so now looks like a game will be played next Wednesday.

For my kid she gets out on monday she meets with a doctor, He will decide if she needs a ekg.  if not her 5 day of practice protocol starts. if he requires it she has to wait for the result to come back and then the 5 days protocol .  Either way she is out for next week including the most important game of the year against transy.  if ekg is required probably misses another game.  Shes not a scorer but there is a reason she plays 30 minutes a game and that is due to her defense and all around game.  her replacement will bring more offense but wont be the lockdown defender that she is.

For all the kidding that gos on here at least most of the time im kidding.   But no joking or sarcasm this time. This really sucks and I feel for all parents  in all sports in high school and college but especially college. you only have so much time to enjoy your child and to lose everything from last year and now at least 7 games this year. knowing after next year its all over and being robbed of memories and experiences just really sucks

[Roundball999]

Really sorry to hear about your daughter, that really stinks for her, for you and for the program.

You have a good point about the vaccine terminology.  I do think the messaging to the public has been badly mismanaged but even in the beginning, the vaccines were billed as no more than 95% effective.  It has gone down since then obviously with the new variants.  But millions get flu vaccines every year and most understand they are no more than 40% - 60% effective depending on the year, so I'm not sure the term "vaccine" is as black and white as you imply.

Regarding silver lining - I would definitely think of a 75% reduction in serious illness and 90% reduction in death as a silver lining.

[HOPEful]

I'm sorry to hear about your daughter too.

From what it sounds like, pretty much the entire Hope women's team got COVID either in Florida or upon returning from Florida.

As for the the vaccine's effectiveness, I think the CDC was pretty forthright from the beginning on what it would take to get to "herd immunity". They estimated 94% of the population would need to be vaccinated. Since as a country, we're sitting at 63%, I doubt we'll ever get there. And like Roundball, I still get the flu vaccine every year because I like my chances better with it than without