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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I am sorry to hear about your daughter getting COVID. That does suck.

As for the terminology... we get a flu vaccine every year, too. It doesn't mean it's fool proof or you won't get sick at all. NO ONE has stated it will keep people from getting sick and they never have said it. They clearly say it will decrease symptoms and some may not notice they have it all.

We are very early in the life of this virus ... newer versions of the vaccine will have to be made to get ahead of it AND like the flu we will likely have a shot at least every year to try and keep ourselves from getting too sick or at all.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Believe it or not, the Division III basketball season is basically at it's midway point - at least in terms of games played for most teams. Now everyone's focus turns towards the end of February and positioning themselves for conference tournaments and hopefully NCAA glory.

If COVID will allow, of course.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville, we talk with a few programs who appear to be in very good position midway through January. Of course, each will likely tell us there is a long way to go.

Plus we debut the women's edition of the Top 25 Double-Take. Gordon Mann and Riley Zayas, of Tru to the Cru, join the show with their Dubious, Deep Dive, and Debatable teams throughout Division III.

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Guests include:
- Aaron Griess, Augsburg men's coach
- Doreen Carden, Albion women's coach
- Dan Pruessner, Eastern men's coach
- Michele Davis, Utica women's coach
- Women's Top 25 Double-Take: Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com, Riley Zayas, True to the Cru

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[scottiedawg]

Hope just laid waste to their 4th hardest opponent this year.

It's not too dissimilar from past years, but Trine is the main barometer from here on out (Albion and Calvin are also solid).

Glad we got to play Baldwin-Wallace!

[Roundball999]

Great story abut the Dutch in SI:  https://www.si.com/college/2022/01/13/hope-college-womens-basketball-win-streak

[Roundball999]

Hope over Albion 79-56.  Tight first half; the Dutch pull away steadily during the 2nd.  Massey almost nailed this one, predicting 80-56.

[scottiedawg]

With the game very much in the balance, fascinating to see Morehouse go to the 2nd string with 3:50 left in the 1st half.

But even more interesting was bringing in just Schoonveld and Voskuil a few minutes later, who helped close the half strong. Interesting seeing McKinney, Feenstra, Baguely, with the two All-Americans.

I really expect to see more and more McKinney and Feenstra as the season goes on. They are both very dynamic, arguably more so than multiple 1st stringers.

Hope's offense gets stagnant when Voskuil isn't getting inside touches. While the shooters are great, they are deadly with just a tiny more space and time.

I also miss seeing post touches for Hannah Smith.

Hope's defense gets the offense going. Albion was extremely impressive taking care of the ball.

Albion also brought a lot of desire to the boards.  It was rare to see Hope with only small edges in TOs and REBs.

Both player control fouls on Hope were borderline at best. And if you're calling those, Majerus totally drew one in the 3rd quarter that went uncalled.

I'm sure Coach Mo has pages of notes to work on before next game. Great test for Hope; they answered the bell.

[Dutchfan]

With the game very much in the balance, fascinating to see Morehouse go to the 2nd string with 3:50 left in the 1st half.

But even more interesting was bringing in just Schoonveld and Voskuil a few minutes later, who helped close the half strong. Interesting seeing McKinney, Feenstra, Baguely, with the two All-Americans.

I really expect to see more and more McKinney and Feenstra as the season goes on. They are both very dynamic, arguably more so than multiple 1st stringers.

Hope's offense gets stagnant when Voskuil isn't getting inside touches. While the shooters are great, they are deadly with just a tiny more space and time.

I also miss seeing post touches for Hannah Smith.

Hope's defense gets the offense going. Albion was extremely impressive taking care of the ball.

Albion also brought a lot of desire to the boards.  It was rare to see Hope with only small edges in TOs and REBs.

Both player control fouls on Hope were borderline at best. And if you're calling those, Majerus totally drew one in the 3rd quarter that went uncalled.

I'm sure Coach Mo has pages of notes to work on before next game. Great test for Hope; they answered the bell.

I believe it is worth noting that that was Hope's third game since Wednesday. It felt to me that Hope was just a bit off in the first half, and three games in four days might be the culprit.

Thankfully Hope's second string is as good or better than most starting lineups. That's going to be a huge factor over the next week.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

With the game very much in the balance, fascinating to see Morehouse go to the 2nd string with 3:50 left in the 1st half.

Uh, no - that's about as predictable as the sun rising in the east.  That has been his M.O. (sorry - I had to) over the years and even more so with this team.  Leading or trailing he is going to do that.  Keeping them fresh (given their 110% effort on D) is how they wear out other teams. 

But even more interesting was bringing in just Schoonveld and Voskuil a few minutes later, who helped close the half strong. Interesting seeing McKinney, Feenstra, Baguely, with the two All-Americans.

That was entirely due to the foul situation as both Morehouse and Smith had just picked up their 2nd fouls

I really expect to see more and more McKinney and Feenstra as the season goes on. They are both very dynamic, arguably more so than multiple 1st stringers.

I don't agree.  Sure, you might be able to argue that the starting 5 aren't the best 5 players on the team (although I would also dispute that but it's a fair arguement).  Yesterday McKinney and Feenstra played really well (Feenstra has for several games), but you will see that fluctuate a lot with this team.  Baguley and DeSmit were all tournament players earlier this year, Morehouse lead the team in scoring at Alma - but that misses the point of this team - which is the TEAM.  There are games the so called 2nd team completely outplays the 1st team.  I've seen comments from people outside of the Hope team and fans comment that Hope's 1st & 2nd teams would both be top 5 on their own.    I believe Coach Mo sees them as his starting 10, there just happens to be one set of 5 that always goes first. 

Hope's defense gets the offense going. Albion was extremely impressive taking care of the ball.

100% agree - and that defensive intensity never letting up, and the players knowing they can go full out all the time becuase they play 4-5 minute stretches is the key.

Albion also brought a lot of desire to the boards.  It was rare to see Hope with only small edges in TOs and REBs.

Also agree on this 100%.  I've thought Albion should be Top 25 all season.  They are big, deep, talented, and experienced.  Hope came into the game forcing 26 TO per game, and 17 steals.  Albion had 10 TO, and Hope only 8 steals.  Gotta give the Brits credit for that, even though Hope may have been effected by playing 3 games in 4 days.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

As good as they are at everything else, it's Hope's depth that will see them as far as they end up going.  Albion beat them for 18 minutes.  They were just better.  If Hope had a drop off beyond the starters, Albion might've been able to hang with them for 40 minutes.  There are just so few teams that will be able to keep up the intensity required to compete with Hope when they're able to rotate 10 players with no real dropoff in production.  That much was clear in those final two minutes of the first half.  A good team can survive and overcome a run like that from an opponent, but most opponents aren't able to bring in fresh legs whenever they need them the whole second half.  It's a really unique situation and something worth all the celebration they're getting.

[TUAngola]

Having depth at this level is huge, especially for teams that like to pressure you and get after it on defense.  It's much easier for the gals to play all out all the time when you know you are going to probably play 20 minutes or less a game as opposed to 35-38 minutes a game.  Hope has always had depth.  Trine has too since Andy Rang took over.  If you watch Trine as much as I do you can also argue our 2nd 5 is just as good if not better than our starters.  Defensively the 2nd 5 is better for Trine, and I think they move the ball better offensively too.  While Bieniewicz and Wilder are our best outside shooters, they don't have the quickness of a Rachel Stewart or Alyssa Argyle, or the ability to drive to the rim like Stewart and Argyle.  Sam Underhill is another 2nd 5 gal who could easily be a starter.  Bieniewicz, Wilder and Kelsy Taylor get the pub, but so far this year Rachel Stewart has been our MVP.  I hope the league recognizes this when year end awards are doled out.  It's hard to get noticed when you don't start.  Over the years I'd venture to say that there have been probably very few gals who garner all league accolades when they don't start for their own teams.

Albion hanging with Hope yesterday is somewhat surprising.  When I saw Albion in November when they played a couple games in Trine's tournament they didn't look all that good.  But that is what good teams do, they get better as the season goes on.  Trine goes to Kresge to play Albion this Wednesday.  Massey has Trine winning 65-55.  It will be a hard fought game and Trine will have to play well to come away with a W.

[scottiedawg]

With the game very much in the balance, fascinating to see Morehouse go to the 2nd string with 3:50 left in the 1st half.

Uh, no - that's about as predictable as the sun rising in the east.  That has been his M.O. (sorry - I had to) over the years and even more so with this team.  Leading or trailing he is going to do that.  Keeping them fresh (given their 110% effort on D) is how they wear out other teams. 

Yeah, you're probably right. It'll be interesting how rigid Coach is versus even better teams, cause against a legit team's 1st string you could get in a bind quickly.

But even more interesting was bringing in just Schoonveld and Voskuil a few minutes later, who helped close the half strong. Interesting seeing McKinney, Feenstra, Baguely, with the two All-Americans.

That was entirely due to the foul situation as both Morehouse and Smith had just picked up their 2nd fouls

Good catch. Rare chance to see a lineup configuration that wasn't a complete line change.

I really expect to see more and more McKinney and Feenstra as the season goes on. They are both very dynamic, arguably more so than multiple 1st stringers.

I don't agree.  Sure, you might be able to argue that the starting 5 aren't the best 5 players on the team (although I would also dispute that but it's a fair arguement).  Yesterday McKinney and Feenstra played really well (Feenstra has for several games), but you will see that fluctuate a lot with this team.  Baguley and DeSmit were all tournament players earlier this year, Morehouse lead the team in scoring at Alma - but that misses the point of this team - which is the TEAM.  There are games the so called 2nd team completely outplays the 1st team.  I've seen comments from people outside of the Hope team and fans comment that Hope's 1st & 2nd teams would both be top 5 on their own.    I believe Coach Mo sees them as his starting 10, there just happens to be one set of 5 that always goes first. 

I don't disagree at all, but I think tournament basketball really brings the cream to the forefront. If Hope is locked in a crucial late tournament matchup against another top 5 team, does coach stick with his distinct lines?  I think McKinney as a very tall #1 presents some serious matchup problems.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Since Coach Mo has not deviated from this pattern when playing Trine the last couple of years, it's not likely he does it in the tournament. This team is defensive intensity 1st and foremost, which comes from the absolute non stop high energy from fresh legs via the existing substitution patterns.

Not sure why you want or expect a change, they've only won 60 in a row, and Coach Mo only has something like a .875 winning percentage.

[scottiedawg]

Love seeing Muller and DeSmit hesitate less before pulling the trigger on an open 3. The more those two can pose an offensive threat, the more deadly the offense is.

[Dutchfan]

Hope College is only one of four teams whose starters are playing less half of their teams minutes and is the only team whose starters are providing less than half of their teams points. Please note, however, that I only compiled information on teams ranked in the Top 25 and those who have one or fewer losses. That being said, I think it highly unlikely that any team not in the Top 25 or with more than one loss would come too close to the numbers at the top of these lists. I will, however, expand and update my data when I get a chance.

Team               Starters Ave. Minutes    Starter Minutes by Percent
Hope                         17.68                              44.2%               
Trine                         18.78                              46.9%               
Baldwin Wallace         19.02                              47.5%   
Christopher Newport   19.24                             48.1%
East Texas Baptist      21.02                              52.6%
Mary Hardin-Baylor    21.20                              53.0%
Marietta                    21.40                              53.5%
NYU                          21.60                              54.0%
Webster                    22.56                              56.4%
DePauw                     22.82                             57.0%


Team               Starters PPG    Starter Points by Percent
Hope                         43.9                               47.1%
East Texas Baptist      35.3                               51.1%
Trine                         38.0                               51.1%
Marietta                    37.0                               51.9%
Baldwin Wallace         37.9                               54.4%
Mary Hardin-Baylor    40.8                               55.7%
Christopher Newport   53.4                               58.3%
UW-Oshkosh              40.6                               59.4%
Emmanuel (MA)         43.5                               59.5%
Catholic                     40.3                               59.6%
DePauw                     40.7                               59.9%

Please not that I compiled this data prior to Saturdays games. However, I did not get a chance to post it until now.

[RogK]

Birmingham Southern seems to fit :
http://stats.ncaa.org/team/28593/stats/15866
They may be a "System" team, which is based on spreading the minutes and scoring across the roster.
LaVerne is another one :
http://stats.ncaa.org/team/341/stats/15866
although they've had many starters, so you'd have to study each box score to see numbers specific to when they started.
Westfield State?
http://stats.ncaa.org/team/777/stats/15866
I was just going through the top team scoring list. There could be more.