WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Team A - Record = 22-2; .540 SoS; 5-2 v. RROs
Team B - Record = 22-2; .544 SoS; 5-2 v. RROs

Team A is DePauw. Team B is Trine. Can someone explain how in the world the committee has DePauw 1 and Trine 2 in Region 7?

My only thought is they considered them even and went to NCSOS. I don't have the data sheets in front of me, but I'd guess DePauw has an advantage there.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Alma 74 Albion 70  F/OT

Hope v Calvin will tip at 5:30

Alma winning that game is the first win this season by a 5th-9th place MIAA team over one of the top 4.  Prior to that, Alma/Kalamazoo/St Marys/Adrian/Olivet were a combined 0-40 in the league this year vs Hope/Trine/Calvin/Albion.  Pretty impressive OT win for the Scots.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

All MIAA awards were announced last night (link below).  Kenedy Schoonveld is the MVP for the 3rd year in a row.  She also is a first team honoree for a 5th time!.  Olivia Voskuil is the defensive player of the year for the 4th year in a row.

https://www.miaa.org/sports/wbkb/2021-22/releases/AllMIAA2022

[scottiedawg]

Team A - Record = 22-2; .540 SoS; 5-2 v. RROs
Team B - Record = 22-2; .544 SoS; 5-2 v. RROs

Team A is DePauw. Team B is Trine. Can someone explain how in the world the committee has DePauw 1 and Trine 2 in Region 7?

My only thought is they considered them even and went to NCSOS. I don't have the data sheets in front of me, but I'd guess DePauw has an advantage there.

I posted this over on the Pool C board:

One thing I don't get:

First Regional Rankings
Region 7
1 - Trine
2 - DePauw

Second Regional Rankings
1 - DePauw
2 - Trine

What happened in between?
Both teams 2-0
DePauw @ Ohio Wesleyan, vs. Wooster
Trine vs. St. Mary's IN, @ Adrian

Ohio Wesleyan is clearly the best win of those 4.

BUT, DePauw lost WashU as a win v RRO


DePauw losing an RRO win seems like the most significant thing to happen to either team this week. And DePauw passes Trine??

I don't get the order either. And I really don't get that the order CHANGED between the 1st and 2nd rankings.

[scottiedawg]

I keep digging into the criteria, and comparing JUST Hope and DePauw, I do not see how DePauw is ahead of Hope.

DePauw
0.920 WP
0.531 SOS
4-2 vRRO

Hope
0.957 WP
0.520 SOS
4-1 vRRO


The women's committee really places an emphassis on WP, and DePauw's SOS lead on Hope is extremely slight. AND Hope has a better record vRRO.

I think Hope should be ahead of DePauw in region.

(and I'm totally fine with Trine ahead of Hope).

Trine ahead of DePauw looks like a slam dunk to me.

So I really think this should be the current Region 7 order:
Trine
Hope
DePauw

[Roundball999]

So Hope rips regionally ranked Calvin while DePauw loses to non regionally ranked Wittenberg.  Just maybe now the committee will give Hope the nod?

Seriously, Meg Morehouse didn't put up a lot of points but what a floor general and defender!

[Flying Dutch Fan]

So Hope rips regionally ranked Calvin while DePauw loses to non regionally ranked Wittenberg.  Just maybe now the committee will give Hope the nod?

Seriously, Meg Morehouse didn't put up a lot of points but what a floor general and defender!

I'm expecting that DePauw result could lead to both Hope and Trine hosting - at least it would appear that is a more likely possibility. Certainly couldn't think of two better venues or two more deserving teams.

[Erm Schmigget]

Wittenberg 55
DePauw 52

Calvin 42
Hope 68

Alma 23
Trine 38 (halftime)

This HAS to move DePauw out of first.  The question is, with Hope and Trine meeting in the MIAA final tomorrow, as we might assume, will the committee rank DePauw second?  They're just that unpredictable/inexplicable.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Wittenberg 55
DePauw 52

Calvin 42
Hope 68

Alma 23
Trine 38 (halftime)

This HAS to move DePauw out of first.  The question is, with Hope and Trine meeting in the MIAA final tomorrow, as we might assume, will the committee rank DePauw second?  They're just that unpredictable/inexplicable.

DePauw lost to an unranked team. Hope and Trine are both picking up a win tonight plus Hope picked up a RRO tonight. Tomorrow they both get another RRO and that should separate them both significantly from the Tigers.

[scottiedawg]

I agree that between tonight and whatever happens tomorrow both Hope and Trine will have significantly enhanced their resumes.

BUT, Witt being unranked doesn't really matter. They're 17-7 (not sure if that's ALL against D3 opponents, but probably close), and so, DePauw's SOS will actually rise.

[Erm Schmigget]

Wittenberg 55
DePauw 52

Calvin 42
Hope 68

Alma 23
Trine 38 (halftime)

This HAS to move DePauw out of first.  The question is, with Hope and Trine meeting in the MIAA final tomorrow, as we might assume, will the committee rank DePauw second?  They're just that unpredictable/inexplicable.

DePauw lost to an unranked team. Hope and Trine are both picking up a win tonight plus Hope picked up a RRO tonight. Tomorrow they both get another RRO and that should separate them both significantly from the Tigers.

That's the way I read it.  But like scottiedawg, I read the numbers one way and the committee ranks another.  Let's just hope they don't drop Calvin off the list and take those 3 RROs from Hope.

[scottiedawg]

The regional rankings from last week "count" as well. So no teams can lose RROs at this point. They can only gain them if a team moves into the regional rankings.

[TUAngola]

Trine with a win over a much improved Alma squad tonight 75-62.  Trine jumped out to a 31-9 lead with a few minutes left in the second quarter.  Our defense was suffocating, and we hit enough shots to stretch out that lead, but then it was like a light switch turned on for Alma.  Suddenly they were getting free for some open looks, and they hit 4 3pointers right before half to get back in the game and you could tell that their confidence grew that they could hang with us.  From there on out it was a battle.  I believe Alma at one point got the lead down to 7 or 8 early in the 3rd quarter then we hit a few shots to get it back to 15 going into the 4th quarter.  The teams played pretty much evenly in the 4th.

Taylor Sas for Alma is going to be a star in this league, she can shoot the ball and also get to the hoop as well.  Stasha Warchock also played very well.  For Trine Tara Bieniewicz had a nice game, for a while it was a back and forth 3-point shooting contest between Sas and Bieniewicz.  Sam Underhill also had a good game tonight.  For Alma they suffered an injury near the end of the game as it appears Maddie Robbins injured her knee on a drive to the basket.  I'm hoping it isn't serious for the young lady. 

So tomorrow you have Hope at Trine for the conference crown.  From their box score with Calvin it looks Hope got off to a great start and kind of held serve the rest of the way.  We're going to have to play much better for 4 quarters to have any chance of beating Hope.  We missed numerous layups tonight and need to be better at the free throw line.  Alma had us rattled and might have shaken our confidence some.  We'll need to get that mojo back to make it a game tomorrow. 

[scottiedawg]

Though with teams losing around them in Region 7, and beating Oberlin tonight, I could see Ohio Wesleyan move into the final regional rankings. That would give DePauw an additional 2 wins v RRO. Which would be a big deal. Could keep them #2 in the region.

(we all see how ridiculous RROs are right? teams moving from one above the line down, or one below the line up, have massive consequences, on teams whose results did not change).

[Flying Dutch Fan]

The regional rankings from last week "count" as well. So no teams can lose RROs at this point. They can only gain them if a team moves into the regional rankings.

My point is that DePauw's loss hurts their WP, and that Hope gets 2 additional RRO and Trine gets 1. As close as they all are that will mean something