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Flying Dutch Fan · March 16, 2022, 04:55:52 PM

Was just comparing some Hope stats and found some items of interest. I looked at NCAA tournament games vs Regular Season (including MIAA Tournament). I expected to see some stats decline a bit during the NCAA - given the high level of competition - and I indeed found that for some:

NCAA Tournament Avg - Regular Season Avg
FG% ----------.463 ----------------------.473
3FG% ---------.344 ---------------------.379
FT% -----------.660 ---------------------.677
Reb ------------36.3 -------------------- 40.5
Ast -------------14.5 -------------------- 16.7
Blks ------------ 2.5 ---------------------- 5.0
Steals ---------- 9.8 --------------------- 17.8

and some that were really consistent:

FGA ------------ 68.0 -------------------- 68.0
3FGA ----------- 22.5 -------------------- 21.7
Points ---------- 86.3 -------------------- 86.5

and some areas of improvement over the regular season

TO -------------- 10.8 -------------------- 14.9
A/TO ------------ 1.35 -------------------- 1.12

Lastly, Kenedy Schoonveld has played some really excellent basketball the last 4 games. Yes her minutes have increased from 18.8 per game to 27.5, yet her stats have increased at a better "rate":

FG% ------------ .531 -------------------- .498
3FG% ---------- .550 --------------------- .413
FT% ------------ .800 -------------------- .838
Reb ------------- 5.0 --------------------- 3.8
A/TO ------------ 4.50 ------------------- 3.47
PTS -------------- 17.8 ------------------- 10.2

Pat Coleman · March 16, 2022, 07:29:50 PM

Quote from: HOPEful on March 16, 2022, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2022, 09:27:43 AM
I mean, yes, because the ACHA Division III championship is not an NCAA Division III championship -- but that hockey tournament is pretty impressive!

Hope's club hockey team gets quite a bit of support, evidenced by their back to back national titles. With all those resources, I really wish they'd go varsity with it.

As is often the case though, one of the biggest hurdles would be adding a women's hockey or equivalent team. And lets not diminish the massive leap that moving from ACHA Division 3 to NCAA Division 3 would be. Perhaps a more realistic hope would be moving to ACHA D2 or D1.

Perhaps. I don't know how the competition compares at different levels of club hockey but what I do know is that we need some more D-III ice hockey programs in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana to help bridge the geographical gap between the two regions in D-III.

Flying Dutch Fan · March 17, 2022, 08:23:49 AM

Final Four game day!!!

Amherst versus UWW:

Offense	% 2pt	% 3pt	% FT
Amherst	41.7	31.9	69.5
UWW	43.3	31.5	68.5
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Defense	% 2pt	% 3pt
Amherst	34.3	23.6
UWW	39.3	30.2
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Rebounding	Team	Opp	Margin
Amherst	40.7	36.8	3.9
UWW	41.3	36.3	5.0
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Scoring	Team	Opp	Margin
Amherst	61.6	49	12.6
UWW	71.7	55.5	16.2
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3 point shooting	Made/game
Amherst	4.9
UWW	6.2
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Ball Control	Stl/game	TO/Game	OppTO/Game
Amherst	7.4	13.6	15.5
UWW	12.8	15.2	22.7
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Ball Control	Asst/game	A/TO	Blks/game
Amherst	13.5	0.99	5.3
UWW	14.9	0.98	4.8
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Hope versus Trine:

Offense	% 2pt	% 3pt	% FT
Hope	51.8	37.4	67.4
Trine	48.3	34.6	70.1
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Defense	% 2pt	% 3pt
Hope	35.4	25.4
Trine	37.2	22.2
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Rebounding	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	44	33.9	10.1
Trine	40.4	34.6	5.8
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Scoring	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	86.5	48.4	38.1
Trine	72.5	47	25.5
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3 point shooting	Made/game
Hope	8.2
Trine	7.7
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Ball Control	Stl/game	TO/Game	OppTO/Game
Hope	16.8	14.6	25.7
Trine	9.6	13.2	19.4
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Ball Control	Asst/game	A/TO	Blks/game
Hope	16.4	1.12	4.6
Trine	16	1.21	3.6

Flying Dutch Fan · March 17, 2022, 08:39:39 AM

Looking back at the 3 previous Hope v Trine games from this season, I compared the 2 Hope victories to the 1 Trine vistory and noted the following:

Hope Wins

Shooting (FG/3FG/FT)
Hope .404 / .358 / .553
Trine .330 / .310 / .788

Assists
Hope 11.5
Trine 7.5

Steals
Hope 10.5
Trine 7.5

Trine Win

Shooting (FG/3FG/FT)
Hope .270 / .150 / .658
Trine .490 / .455 / .667

Assists
Hope 6
Trine 17

Steals
Hope 17
Trine 11

Now that may not be surprising, but those are the only stats that varied to any great extent from game to game. Food for thought...

Dutchfan · March 17, 2022, 04:59:58 PM

Statistical leaders for the playoffs (Final Four teams only)

#   Player     Team     Points
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope 71
33   Aleah Grundahl Whitewater 64
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater 56
22   Sydney Muller Hope 49
24   Dani Valdez Amherst 47
11   Tara Bieniewicz Trine 46
05   Olivia Voskuil Hope 46
15   Ella McKinney Hope 46
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst 42
14   Kate Majerus Hope 39

#   Player Team 3-Point FG
11   Tara Bieniewicz Trine 13
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater 12
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope 10
14   Kate Majerus Hope 9
03   Yssa Sto. Domingo Whitewater 9
14   Rebekah Schumacher Whitewater 9
20   Courtney Resch Amherst 8
15   Ella McKinney Hope 5
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst 5
00   Alyssa Argyle Trine 4

#   Player Team FG%
23   Sam Underhill Trine .684
33   Hannah Smith Hope .556
05   Olivia Voskuil Hope .543
03   Yssa Sto. Domingo Whitewater .542
20   Rachel Stewart Trine .538
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope .531
33   Aleah Grundahl Whitewater .531
40   Johanna Taylor Whitewater   .519
14   Kate Majerus Hope .500
02   Reeya Patel Amherst .500

#   Player Team 3FG%
20   Courtney Resch Amherst     .667
03   Yssa Sto. Domingo Whitewater .600
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater .571
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope .500
14   Kate Majerus Hope .474
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst .385
11   Tara Bieniewicz Trine .361
14   Rebekah Schumacher Whitewater .360
30   Lauren Pelosi Amherst .333
00   Alyssa Argyle Trine .308

#   Player Team FT%
05   Kaylee Argyle Trine .929
03   Makayla Ardis Trine .875
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater .857
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope .800
02   Meg Morehouse Hope .750
22   Sydney Muller Hope .739
24   Dani Valdez Amherst .739
33   Aleah Grundahl Whitewater .706
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst .700
11   Jade DuVal Amherst .636

#   Player Team Rebounds
40   Johanna Taylor Whitewater 37
24   Dani Valdez Amherst 35
33   Aleah Grundahl Whitewater 26
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst 26
05   Olivia Voskuil Hope 26
44   Kelsy Taylor Trine 24
22   Sydney Muller Hope 22
33   Hannah Smith Hope 21
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope 20
11   Jade DuVal Amherst 19
03   Makayla Ardis Trine 19
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater 19
11   Tara Bieniewicz Trine 19

#   Player Team Assists
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst 20
40   Johanna Taylor Whitewater 17
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater 14
12   Kasey DeSmit Hope 11
05   Kaylee Argyle Trine 11
03   Yssa Sto. Domingo Whitewater 10
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope 9
03   Makayla Ardis Trine 9
24   Dani Valdez Amherst 8
22   Sydney Muller Hope 8
05   Olivia Voskuil Hope 8

#   Player Team Turnovers
05   Kaylee Argyle Trine 0
21   Maya Cwalina Whitewater 1
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope 2
33   Hannah Smith Hope 2
05   Olivia Voskuil Hope 3
14   Kate Majerus Hope 3
20   Courtney Resch Amherst 3
11   Jade DuVal Amherst 3
11   Maggie Trautsch Whitewater 3
12   Kasey DeSmit Hope 4
04   Claire Baguley Hope 4
00   Alyssa Argyle Trine 4

#   Player Team Steals
03   Yssa Sto. Domingo Whitewater 11
20   Kenedy Schoonveld Hope 8
13   Gabrielle Zaffro Amherst 6
13   Kacie Carolla Whitewater 6
02   Meg Morehouse Hope 6
33   Aleah Grundahl Whitewater 6
05   Olivia Voskuil Hope 5
14   Rebekah Schumacher Whitewater 5
20   Rachel Stewart Trine 5
22   Sydney Muller Hope 5
12   Kasey DeSmit Hope 5

TUAngola · March 17, 2022, 09:32:45 PM

Congratulations Trine on a great season, what a great run! Good luck to Hope in the Championship Game Saturday! Go get that trophy!!

ronk · March 17, 2022, 09:43:42 PM

Rachel Stewart made a lot of big plays in that 2nd half comeback.

Roundball999 · March 17, 2022, 09:45:00 PM

Quote from: TUAngola on March 17, 2022, 09:32:45 PM
Congratulations Trine on a great season, what a great run! Good luck to Hope in the Championship Game Saturday! Go get that trophy!!

Even when Hope had a seemingly comfortable lead in the 3rd, you just knew Trine would make a run. Not saying Hope will win Saturday, but I'm sure my heart couldn't take another game vs the Thunder. Really sad that either of these teams had to lose but both represented the MIAA so well! Congrats to Trine for a historic year.

HOPEful · March 17, 2022, 10:21:50 PM

This Trine team was truly spectacular. What a comeback and what a year. Andy Rang is a heck of a coach.

Flying Dutch Fan · March 18, 2022, 09:06:16 AM

Great game- what a true rivalry battle. Hope goes up by 18 and my wife and I both said, this isn't over, and we knew Trine would come back. Credit to both teams on a really tough game - but then that's what you expect when IMHO the two best teams in the country play each other for the 4th time in a season.

Credit to Trine and Coach Rang. I thought him switching his team to a zone D a couple of times during their comeback were key in making Hope uncomfortable. Led to several shot clock violations or desperate attempts to avoid the violation. I was a bit surprised the broadcast team never picked up on that - it seemed rather pivital to me.

And credit to Coach Mo for the excellent play up 2 with 30 seconds left - getting Voskuil the ball dead center of the lane for a nice turnaround jumper - money!

I know the utter disappointment the Trine team must be feeling, but they should be VERY proud of their season, their first trip to the final four, and celebrate all those accomplishments!

Hope team - you got one more to go. All those hours of off season work and practices and hard work - let's use them one more time. Go get that Natty and beat those cheeseheads!!

pointlem · March 18, 2022, 11:34:42 AM

Kudos to Hope and Trine for making it to championship day as the Massey computer power ranking #1 and #2 teams, with each of their four games played to nail-biting finishes decided in the last minute. (Click on image below.)

And if Hope and Trine are near dead even, Whitewater is close behind. To become national champions, Hope will need to defeat the top two teams out of 400+, with Whitewater ready to challenge Hope with more size than it has faced in recent games.

Shamrock · March 18, 2022, 12:02:44 PM

As an outsider that was a fun game to watch. Very well played by both sides.

Flying Dutch Fan · March 18, 2022, 12:55:30 PM

Taking a look at the two teams playing for the Championship tomorrow:

Offense	% 2pt	% 3pt	% FT
Hope	51.8	36.7	67.5
UWW	42.9	31.5	69.0
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Defense	% 2pt	% 3pt
Hope	35.3	25.6
UWW	39.1	29.9
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Rebounding	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	43.8	33.8	10
UWW	41.3	36.4	4.9
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Scoring	Team	Opp	Margin
Hope	85.5	48.5	37.0
UWW	71.1	55.3	15.8
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3 point shooting	Made/game
Hope	8.0
UWW	6.2
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Ball Control	Stl/game	TO/Game	OppTO/Game
Hope	16.6	14.7	25.5
UWW	12.5	15.1	22.3
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Ball Control	Asst/game	A/TO	Blks/game
Hope	16.1	1.1	4.8
UWW	14.8	0.98	4.7
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Efficiency	Poss/Game	Off Eff	Def Eff
Hope	74.3	1.151	0.653
UWW	71.6	0.993	0.766
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Massey	Rank	Score	Probability
Hope	1	73	79%
UWW	3	63	21%
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These two teams have played 2 common opponents this season:

Benedictine:

Hope won by 49
UWW won by 42

Calvin:

Hope won by 49, 29, and 26
UWW won by 10

Flying Dutch Fan · March 18, 2022, 04:09:36 PM

Comparison of the expected players in tomorrows championship game (stats are game averages for the season):

Hope Starters	Minutes	PPG	FG% - 3FG% - FT%	Rebounds	Ast - Stl - Blks
Kasey DeSmit (SR) 5-6 - G	17.7	5.7	0.413 - 0.370 - 0.700	0.9	2.3 - 2.0 - 0.1
Kenedy Schoonveld (SR-5) 5-10 - G	20.3	11.3	0.504 - 0.429 - 0.830	3.9	2.1 - 1.6 - 0.5
Sydney Muller (SR-5) 5-11 - G	19.8	9.1	0.466 - 0.341 - 0.699	4.1	2.2 - 1.3 - 0.2
Kate Majerus (SR) 5-11 - F	18.0	6.6	0.527 - 0.485 - 0.500	3.3	0.8 - 0.9 - 0.4
Olivia Voskuil (SR-5) 6-3 - C	18.8	9.9	0.485 - 0.389 - 0.658	6.2	1.5 - 2.5 - 2.1
Subs -----------------------------------------------
Meg Morehouse (JR) 5--7 - G	15.6	6.0	0.476 - 0.372 - 0.714	1.9	1.7 - 1.8 - 0.1
Claire Baguley (JR) 5-11 - F	16.2	6.8	0.469 - 0.246 - 0.698	2.4	1.2 - 1.0 - 0.0
Ella McKinney (JR) 5-10 - G	17.2	8.4	0.453 - 0.337 - 0.709	2.2	1.8 - 1.3 - 0.1
Hannah Smith (SR) 5-10 - F	15.4	5.3	0.528 - 0.316 - 0.682	4.9	0.5 - 1.5 - 0.5
TEAM		85.5	0.470 - 0.369 - 0.675	43.8	16.1 - 16.6 - 4.8

UWW Starters	Minutes	PPG	FG% - 3FG% - FT%	Rebounds	Ast - Stl - Blks
Yssa Sto. Domnigo (SR) 5-4 - G	21.9	4.6	0.336 - 0.329 - 0.688	2.3	2.0 - 1.8 - 0.1
Kacie Carollo (FR) 5-9 - G	22.6	8.6	0.359 - 0.350 - 0.804	4.6	1.8 - 1.4 - 0.3
Rebekah Schumacher (SR) 5-9 - G	19.8	8.6	0.316 - 0.311 - 0.792	2.7	1.7 - 1.6 - 0.5
Aleah Grundahl (JR) 6-0 - F	29.6	16.4	0.506 - 0.326 - 0.735	4.7	1.6 - 2.2 - 0.3
Johanna Taylor (SR) 6-2 - C	26.1	8.5	0.459 - 0.000 - 0.473	7.9	2.9 - 1.0 - 1.9
Subs -----------------------------------------------
Maggie Truatsch (SO) 5-10 - G	28.7	7.2	0.313 - 0.286 - 0.704	3.5	1.1 - 1.4 - 0.2
Veronica Kieres (SR) 5-8 - G	20.3	5.8	0.341 - 0.234 - 0.625	4.1	1.6 - 1.8 - 0.2
Abby Belschner (JR) 6-0 - F	14.3	4.9	0.422 - 0.000 - 0.591	3.2	0.8 - 0.4 - 0.9
TEAM		71.2	0.396 - 0.314 - 0.690	41.4	14.8 - 12.6 - 4.7

RogK · March 19, 2022, 12:50:19 PM

For the season, Whitewater has made 650/1514 2FGs for 42.9%.
Hope has (have, if you're British) made 762/1471 2FGs for 51.8%.
Both have played 32 games.
I'll bravely predict that today's game will start tied 0-0.

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