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Grayson Guy  6-1 F  Petoskey has committed to Hope


There are 4 'Guys' on the Petoskey girls roster, those driveway games must be something.

[scottiedawg]

Just noticed that Hope is leading the nation in team FG % and also in team 3pt %.  Quite impressive!  I must admit it makes me a little nervous not to see the Dutch among the team defensive leaders as has been the case in recent years, but I guess at the end of the day the team that scores the most wins.

Voskuil was such a defensive cheat code.

[HOPEful]

Just noticed that Hope is leading the nation in team FG % and also in team 3pt %.  Quite impressive!  I must admit it makes me a little nervous not to see the Dutch among the team defensive leaders as has been the case in recent years, but I guess at the end of the day the team that scores the most wins.

Voskuil was such a defensive cheat code.

I thought the exact same thing when I first read Roundball's post.

[TUAngola]

Just noticed that Hope is leading the nation in team FG % and also in team 3pt %.  Quite impressive!  I must admit it makes me a little nervous not to see the Dutch among the team defensive leaders as has been the case in recent years, but I guess at the end of the day the team that scores the most wins.

Voskuil was such a defensive cheat code.

I thought the exact same thing when I first read Roundball's post.

From an outsiders perspective, after watching the Hope/Trine game in Angola I do believe that Hope is not as good a defensive team as in years past, and not just because they are missing Voskuil dominating the paint.  Hope always used to pick you up defensively 3/4 court or at least at halfcourt and hound you relentlessly to get you out of your offensive sets.  I know that they would turn Trine over at least 25 times a game because of their defensive intensity.  They don't have that this year.  Trine only had 7 turnovers in the game last week.  That's not to say that they don't have a good defense, but it's not their calling card this year.  My belief is it's because Coach Morehouse doesn't have a true platoon system as in years past.  This year he has to pick his spots to substitute, whether it's one, two or more players at a time.  I do like a couple of their freshmen, Karlbom and Kaiser are going to be good ones, but Hope just isn't as deep as in years past.  Offensively they are very capable of playing with anyone in the country.  They had 6 different players hit 3 pointers in the 1st quarter alone against Trine.  Baguley was very impressive against us, a lot of girls at this level sort of have 'ugly' shooting form from behind the arc, but Baguley's shot is effortless, and she is sneaky quick to drive to the hoop if needed. 

[Dutchfan]

Just noticed that Hope is leading the nation in team FG % and also in team 3pt %.  Quite impressive!  I must admit it makes me a little nervous not to see the Dutch among the team defensive leaders as has been the case in recent years, but I guess at the end of the day the team that scores the most wins.

Hope doesn't just lead the nation in FG% (48.7%) and 3pt FG% (38.9%), but they are also number 6 in 3-pointers per-game (9.4 per game).

[scottiedawg]

Just noticed that Hope is leading the nation in team FG % and also in team 3pt %.  Quite impressive!  I must admit it makes me a little nervous not to see the Dutch among the team defensive leaders as has been the case in recent years, but I guess at the end of the day the team that scores the most wins.

Voskuil was such a defensive cheat code.

I thought the exact same thing when I first read Roundball's post.

From an outsiders perspective, after watching the Hope/Trine game in Angola I do believe that Hope is not as good a defensive team as in years past, and not just because they are missing Voskuil dominating the paint.  Hope always used to pick you up defensively 3/4 court or at least at halfcourt and hound you relentlessly to get you out of your offensive sets.  I know that they would turn Trine over at least 25 times a game because of their defensive intensity.  They don't have that this year.  Trine only had 7 turnovers in the game last week.  That's not to say that they don't have a good defense, but it's not their calling card this year.  My belief is it's because Coach Morehouse doesn't have a true platoon system as in years past.  This year he has to pick his spots to substitute, whether it's one, two or more players at a time.  I do like a couple of their freshmen, Karlbom and Kaiser are going to be good ones, but Hope just isn't as deep as in years past.  Offensively they are very capable of playing with anyone in the country.  They had 6 different players hit 3 pointers in the 1st quarter alone against Trine.  Baguley was very impressive against us, a lot of girls at this level sort of have 'ugly' shooting form from behind the arc, but Baguley's shot is effortless, and she is sneaky quick to drive to the hoop if needed.

Yep, I think the different rotation has led to some different defensive strategies.

I think Voskuil elevated everything else Hope did defensively. She could clean up or fix any other defensive mistake.

Trine crushed Hope earlier this year because Trine could keep possession long enough to make the extra pass. Hope "cheats" a lot defensively (traps, double teams, jumping passing lanes, not guarding the skip pass player) and relies heavily on aggressive weak side switching. Basically daring teams to beat them by moving the ball. Most teams can't sustain possession against that. Trine could and crushed us. 

Last year Voskuil just ruined possession after possession.

I'm a Washington fan and am reminded of when Mike Hopkins became our head coach. He came from Syracuse under Jim Boeheim and ran the same defensive zone philosophy. Our defense was phenomenal that year because we had Matisse Thybulle up top, who had crazy long arms, very much like Voskuil.

Our defense after he graduated was much worse, not necessarily because the scheme sucked or the players weren't good. Just because Thybulle was that unique and that much of a force-multiplier.

[TUAngola]

Trine with a big game at Albion tonight.  They need to win to keep their 1 game lead in the conference.  Albion plays very well at home so a loss will not be totally unexpected.     

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Albion 63 Trine 62

All tied at the top with Trine, Hope, Calvin

Feb 8    Calvin @ Hope
Feb 11  Trine @ Calvin
Feb 18  Calvin @ Albion

Real big game next Wed in Holland, Hope likely would grab a piece of the MIAA Championship if they win.  Championship makeup decided next week.


Last minute of Albion/Trine is worth the watch alone
https://team1sports.com/gobrits/?B=449176

great final play by Albion

[HOPEful]

great final play by Albion

Absolutely baller play call. Knowing Deavers would be doubled, trust in your player to make the perfect back door cut, and your inbounder to time and make the long lob... that play doesn't work, you look silly. It works, and you look like a genius. Baller.

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great final play by Albion

Absolutely baller play call. Knowing Deavers would be doubled, trust in your player to make the perfect back door cut, and your inbounder to time and make the long lob... that play doesn't work, you look silly. It works, and you look like a genius. Baller.

Its actually a real popular end of game play in the women's game.  This one certainly highlighted the advantage of moving the ball to mid-court on a timeout.  Hope's used  it or a variation at least twice to win games in recent years. 

The men tend to run this play looking for a corner three opposite the inbounds spot.



In your tie-breaker all three beating Calvin mean Hope/Trine are tied with 2 losses, Calvin would have 5, Albion 4,  Hope/Trine tie-break would probably fall to record in 2nd half of conference season and both would be 6-2, which then brings up the issue of the non-mirrored schedule.    I don't have the actual tie-break in front of me, but eventually you get to record vs regionally ranked team which  I think means Trine's two losses to Eau Claire and Ohio Northern would give Hope the 1 seed (if the tie-break fell that far)

I'll see if I can dig it up , its buried in my messages somewhere.

[HOPEful]

In your tie-breaker all three beating Calvin mean Hope/Trine are tied with 2 losses, Calvin would have 5, Albion 4,  Hope/Trine tie-break would probably fall to record in 2nd half of conference season and both would be 6-2, which then brings up the issue of the non-mirrored schedule.    I don't have the actual tie-break in front of me, but eventually you get to record vs regionally ranked team which  I think means Trine's two losses to Eau Claire and Ohio Northern would give Hope the 1 seed (if the tie-break fell that far)

I'll see if I can dig it up , its buried in my messages somewhere.

Hope's loss to Trine was first half. They'd win the tiebreaker. My mind was overcomplicating the situation.

But your point on a non-mirrored schedule does have me intrigued. Is the "first half" and "second half" determined by first and second time playing each school or literally first 8 conference games and second 8 conference games, regardless of teams played and not played?

[Flying Dutch Fan]

In your tie-breaker all three beating Calvin mean Hope/Trine are tied with 2 losses, Calvin would have 5, Albion 4,  Hope/Trine tie-break would probably fall to record in 2nd half of conference season and both would be 6-2, which then brings up the issue of the non-mirrored schedule.    I don't have the actual tie-break in front of me, but eventually you get to record vs regionally ranked team which  I think means Trine's two losses to Eau Claire and Ohio Northern would give Hope the 1 seed (if the tie-break fell that far)

I'll see if I can dig it up , its buried in my messages somewhere.

Hope's loss to Trine was first half. They'd win the tiebreaker. My mind was overcomplicating the situation.

But your point on a non-mirrored schedule does have me intrigued. Is the "first half" and "second half" determined by first and second time playing each school or literally first 8 conference games and second 8 conference games, regardless of teams played and not played?

Right - Trine is 1-2 in their last 3 games, were outrebounded by 15 in both of the losses, and are struggling a bit on offense.  I expect their upcoming game @ Calvin to be pretty tough for the Thunder.  They beat Calvin 60-45 in Angola way back on December 3 (Trine won the rebounding battle by 3).  Of course that was before loosing Sam Underhill for the season.  Without Sam, I expect Gabby Timmer and Calvins size to really control the boards.

[TUAngola]

great final play by Albion

Absolutely baller play call. Knowing Deavers would be doubled, trust in your player to make the perfect back door cut, and your inbounder to time and make the long lob... that play doesn't work, you look silly. It works, and you look like a genius. Baller.

Its actually a real popular end of game play in the women's game.  This one certainly highlighted the advantage of moving the ball to mid-court on a timeout. Hope's used  it or a variation at least twice to win games in recent years. 

The men tend to run this play looking for a corner three opposite the inbounds spot.



In your tie-breaker all three beating Calvin mean Hope/Trine are tied with 2 losses, Calvin would have 5, Albion 4,  Hope/Trine tie-break would probably fall to record in 2nd half of conference season and both would be 6-2, which then brings up the issue of the non-mirrored schedule.    I don't have the actual tie-break in front of me, but eventually you get to record vs regionally ranked team which  I think means Trine's two losses to Eau Claire and Ohio Northern would give Hope the 1 seed (if the tie-break fell that far)

I'll see if I can dig it up , its buried in my messages somewhere.

I still vividly remember the exact same play Hope executed on an out of bounds play as I was at DeVos the night it happened.  The date, Feb 24, 2018, MIAA championship game.  Trine's Hayley Martin scores with 2 seconds left to break a tie to put the Thunder up 2 in regulation with 2 seconds left.  I was thinking game over, but not so fast.  Hope calls timeout, they get the ball at halfcourt (which I despise this rule, it should be a uniform rule for men and women, but that's for another conversation).  Newman throws a beautiful lob pass to a wide open Geers under the basket who lays it in at the buzzer to tie the game, and Hope goes on to win in OT.  Heartbreak for Trine.

I watched the last couple minutes of last night's game on replay and it was the exact same type of play.  Do we not learn??  I'd almost rather play a zone so nobody get's screened on defense and then take my chances with the other team taking a contested outside shot.  It would of been heartbreak for Albion if they had lost as they led pretty much the entire game and would have salted it away had Beavers not been so atrocious at the free throw line. 

As FDF has stated losing Underhill was devastating for us.  We just aren't as deep this year to make up for her loss, especially at the '5' spot.  We had 5 girls play 31 or more minutes last night with Wagner playing 40.  I haven't seen that happen at Trine in ages.  I see Katie Sloneker only logged 7 minutes last night so I wonder if she got injured?  That won't be good.

[TUAngola]

Was doing a little research after the Albion loss, the last time that Trine lost an MIAA conference game to an opponent not named Hope was way back on January 27, 2016 against Adrian, over 7 years ago.  Pretty impressive streak by the Thunder!

[HOPEful]

Was doing a little research after the Albion loss, the last time that Trine lost an MIAA conference game to an opponent not named Hope was way back on January 27, 2016 against Adrian, over 7 years ago.  Pretty impressive streak by the Thunder!

Same for Hope... I believe for them it was February of 2016 against Calvin the previous time they lost to someone not named Trine. Albion ending a couple long streaks this season!! Hope and Trine have really dominated the MIAA that past 7 years!!