WBB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletics Association

[scottiedawg]

Minor point but the Great Lakes Christian game doesn't affect Hope's SOS since it's not a D3 game.

True - although it does impact their W%

Don't think it affects that either.

And Hope scheduling GLC is better than scheduling some team with a 500 or worse WP.  The win% bump from winning an additional game is negligible.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Minor point but the Great Lakes Christian game doesn't affect Hope's SOS since it's not a D3 game.

True - although it does impact their W%

Don't think it affects that either.

And Hope scheduling GLC is better than scheduling some team with a 500 or worse WP.  The win% bump from winning an additional game is negligible.

I agree that the impact on their W% is not significant, but it does in fact impact it.   .917 vs .920   ...and you just never know when you might get down to splitting hairs this time of year

[HOPEful]

Minor point but the Great Lakes Christian game doesn't affect Hope's SOS since it's not a D3 game.

True - although it does impact their W%

Don't think it affects that either.

And Hope scheduling GLC is better than scheduling some team with a 500 or worse WP.  The win% bump from winning an additional game is negligible.

It does simply in that it was a game Hope could have tried to schedule against a team that would have helped their SOS...

[scottiedawg]

Another thing I'm grappling with is it makes almost zero sense for a team that is halfway decent, to schedule Hope nonConf.

There is a 98%+ chance you lose, likely by 30+.

And if you're a 650-800 WP school with usually a 450-520 SOS, scheduling that game against Hope doesn't help you. Your WP is what will give you a sliver of chance for the NCAA tournament. Bumping your bad SOS to slightly less bad won't make a difference.

I'm getting the sense that sense that Hope actually doesn't have the option to play teams like:
- St. Norbert
- Webster
- Greenville
- Hanover
- Washington & Jefferson
- Aurora
- St. Vincent

I can't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if Hope tried hard to schedule a strong nonConf team and got no takers.

[HOPEful]

Another thing I'm grappling with is it makes almost zero sense for a team that is halfway decent, to schedule Hope nonConf.

There is a 98%+ chance you lose, likely by 30+.

And if you're a 650-800 WP school with usually a 450-520 SOS, scheduling that game against Hope doesn't help you. Your WP is what will give you a sliver of chance for the NCAA tournament. Bumping your bad SOS to slightly less bad won't make a difference.

I'm getting the sense that sense that Hope actually doesn't have the option to play teams like:
- St. Norbert
- Webster
- Greenville
- Hanover
- Washington & Jefferson
- Aurora
- St. Vincent

I can't know for sure but I wouldn't be surprised if Hope tried hard to schedule a strong nonConf team and got no takers.

SOS isn't the only variable. You're 100% correct, but... there is still value in playing a great opponent in your attempt to get better yourself, on the court. Not to mention, the opportunity for D3 women's athletes to play in an arena like DeVos in front of 500-1000 fans is worth more than nothing.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

All-MIAA slelections have been announced:

Most Valuable Player
Sidney Wagner, Trine

Defensive Player of the Year
Meg Morehouse, Hope

2023 Women's Basketball All-MIAA First Team
Makayla Ardis, Trine
Claire Baguley, Hope
Daniah Beavers, Albion
Savannah Feenstra, Hope
Gabby Timmer, Calvin (5)
Sidney Wagner, Trine

2023 Women's Basketball All-MIAA Second Team
Sydney Cleary, Calvin
Leah Harris, Calvin (2)
Ella McKinney, Hope
Lolo Reed, Albion (2)
Taylor Sas, Alma (3)
Elena Welker, Albion (3)

(#) Number of multi-time All-MIAA, including career first- and second-team honors

https://www.miaa.org/sports/wbkb/2022-23/releases/AllMIAA2023

[scottiedawg]

Came here to say "MVP is obviously a counting stat not a rate stat", but ran some numbers and goodness gracious did Wagner fill the stat sheet! Looks pretty deserved to me.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Came here to say "MVP is obviously a counting stat not a rate stat", but ran some numbers and goodness gracious did Wagner fill the stat sheet! Looks pretty deserved to me.

I literally did the same thing with the same conclusion - which doesn't discount the phenomenal season Claire Baguley has had thus far.  Her efficiency is off the charts!!

[TUAngola]

Came here to say "MVP is obviously a counting stat not a rate stat", but ran some numbers and goodness gracious did Wagner fill the stat sheet! Looks pretty deserved to me.

...and Sidney didn't become a full time starter this year until after Sam Underhill was injured (she started the Hope game in December only because Katie Tate was out sick that game).  Before that it was rare that Makayla Ardis and Sidney were in the game at the same time as they both were PG's.  Makayla has flourished being moved to the SG position with Sidney at point.  They work very well together.

[scottiedawg]

Came here to say "MVP is obviously a counting stat not a rate stat", but ran some numbers and goodness gracious did Wagner fill the stat sheet! Looks pretty deserved to me.

I literally did the same thing with the same conclusion - which doesn't discount the phenomenal season Claire Baguley has had thus far.  Her efficiency is off the charts!!

Hah!

Using simplistic (PTS  + REB + AST + STL + BLK - TO) / MIN it's Wagner 0.89, Baguley 0.87.  Didn't dig into shooting efficiency.

[Pat Coleman]

One thing that has been discovered this year by watching how Massey treats the North Park men is that Massey hands onto previous years' results a LONG time. I wonder how much 2021-22 Hope is factoring into the algorithm over there.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

One thing that has been discovered this year by watching how Massey treats the North Park men is that Massey hands onto previous years' results a LONG time. I wonder how much 2021-22 Hope is factoring into the algorithm over there.

It holds on to previous performance for the power rating.  I don't think it does the same for the overall.  NPU's ranking reflects its results pretty well.  The power rating still doubts their strength going forward (which is probably due to old data).

[Roundball999]

Congrats to the Hope women for pulling out a gut-check win over a tough Albion squad.  It wasn't pretty with both teams shooting around 30% and pretty evenly matched in most statistical categories.  Hope's persistent drives to the rim were rewarded with shooting fouls and that was probably the difference.  Despite Hope's fabulous offensive performance this season, this was the kind of game that worried me and it was nice to see the Dutch defense help them grind through it.

Interesting and confusing game summary on Albion's page:  https://gobrits.com/news/2023/2/24/womens-basketball-wbb-stumbles-in-miaa-semifinals.aspx

[pointlem]

Congrats tot he Hope women for pulling out a gut-check win over a tough Albion squad.  It wasn't pretty with both teams shooting around 30% and pretty evenly matched in most statistical categories.  Hope's persistent drives to the rim were rewarded with shooting fouls and that was probably the difference.  Despite Hope's fabulous offensive performance this season, this was the kind of game that worried me and it was nice to see the Dutch defense help them grind through it.

Interesting and confusing game summary on Albion's page:  https://gobrits.com/news/2023/2/24/womens-basketball-wbb-stumbles-in-miaa-semifinals.aspx

Good summary, Roundball . . . with Hope's shooting the antithesis of last Saturday's scorching of the nets. They'll need to--and I expect will--shoot better to win tonight and in games beyond.

And yes, with due credit to Albion for playing tough and beating Hope earlier, that is an, um, interesting official Albion assessment of the two teams.

[NW Hope Fan]

Sweet win! Go Hope!!!