FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[SagatagSam]

Surprised there hasn't been mention of the Johnnie Double Stompout^TM. 

Could someone re-post the Stompout rules and definitions again? I think we are due for a refresher.

[57Johnnie]

Surprised there hasn't been mention of the Johnnie Double Stompout^TM. 

I had it in mind but decided not to be the one who rubbed it in. That never stopped me before.
I would not hold back for some teams.

[TheChucker]

If I'm understanding the MIAC conference championship process correctly, the championship game is played between the two teams with the best divisional record, and not conference record. So, under this scenario, the team with the best conference record in each division could theoretically not make it to the championship game. Right? If that's the case, the Bethel/Concordia game this week might be for the divisional championship.

Championship weekend blurb from the MIAC website below:


MIAC Championships, November 12th - 12th
2022Northwoods Division Host

The final week of the MIAC regular season will be "Championship Week." MIAC teams will be ranked 1-5 in each division based on the current season's in-division games only. Each team will then match up with the corresponding seed in the other division for the final conference game of the season. The winner of the contest between the two divisional leaders will receive the MIAC's automatic qualifier to the NCAA Division III Football Playoffs.

In 2022, teams from the Northwoods Division will host Championship Week.
https://miacathletics.com/tournaments/?id=5

That's my understanding as well. As far as Championship Weekend goes, there are some possibilities for some strange outcomes. I mean, hypothetically, SJU could have lost all of its non-conference games and the first three games of the conference schedule (which were all crossover games), then run the table in the divisional schedule to go into championship weekend at 4-5 overall (4-0 division), win the conference title game and get the auto bid.

If they are going to keep the divisional format around, I would almost rather see something that involves overall record as the primary criteria and then have divisional record be the first tiebreaker.

Until I looked it up, I just assumed the championship game would be the two divisional leaders with the best conference record which is pretty much the standard. I'm curious why the MIAC set it up this way. Last year was the first year this method was used. It included the two best conference teams so the divisional record issue didn't matter.

Perhaps this is because teams in one division do not play ALL of the teams in the other division. For example, Concordia plays GAC, SJU and Bethel this year. Macalester doesn't play SJU or Gustavus. Their MIAC schedule is much easier than Concordia's, but their divisional schedule is the same. Concordia would have a significant disadvantage if conference record was the primary criteria.

Your example makes sense. What got me wondering about the championship game process was because Carleton (the only unbeaten team so far) doesn't play Bethel. USJ, Bethel, GAC and Concordia all play each other.

[Retired Old Rat]

As the (self appointed) keeper of the Monkey Stomp(TM) regulations I give you:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxwpLdvD6eqQPG_tDAIuCS8PlO9P3SJOTM5HPehmcOU/edit
There haven't been any additions in a long time. Hoping Ice ****ing Bear
has something to ****ing contribute.

[hazzben]

If I'm understanding the MIAC conference championship process correctly, the championship game is played between the two teams with the best divisional record, and not conference record. So, under this scenario, the team with the best conference record in each division could theoretically not make it to the championship game. Right? If that's the case, the Bethel/Concordia game this week might be for the divisional championship.

Championship weekend blurb from the MIAC website below:


MIAC Championships, November 12th - 12th
2022Northwoods Division Host

The final week of the MIAC regular season will be "Championship Week." MIAC teams will be ranked 1-5 in each division based on the current season's in-division games only. Each team will then match up with the corresponding seed in the other division for the final conference game of the season. The winner of the contest between the two divisional leaders will receive the MIAC's automatic qualifier to the NCAA Division III Football Playoffs.

In 2022, teams from the Northwoods Division will host Championship Week.
https://miacathletics.com/tournaments/?id=5

That's my understanding as well. As far as Championship Weekend goes, there are some possibilities for some strange outcomes. I mean, hypothetically, SJU could have lost all of its non-conference games and the first three games of the conference schedule (which were all crossover games), then run the table in the divisional schedule to go into championship weekend at 4-5 overall (4-0 division), win the conference title game and get the auto bid.

If they are going to keep the divisional format around, I would almost rather see something that involves overall record as the primary criteria and then have divisional record be the first tiebreaker.

Until I looked it up, I just assumed the championship game would be the two divisional leaders with the best conference record which is pretty much the standard. I'm curious why the MIAC set it up this way. Last year was the first year this method was used. It included the two best conference teams so the divisional record issue didn't matter.

Perhaps this is because teams in one division do not play ALL of the teams in the other division. For example, Concordia plays GAC, SJU and Bethel this year. Macalester doesn't play SJU or Gustavus. Their MIAC schedule is much easier than Concordia's, but their divisional schedule is the same. Concordia would have a significant disadvantage if conference record was the primary criteria.

Your example makes sense. What got me wondering about the championship game process was because Carleton (the only unbeaten team so far) doesn't play Bethel. USJ, Bethel, GAC and Concordia all play each other.

Yeah, I forgot about the wrinkle that the top teams play cross division against the top teams, the bottom against the bottom teams. That actually makes perfect sense why divisional games are the only ones that count.

I'd imagine they're protecting against a scenario where Team A with the weaker crossovers avoided playing the top 2 teams in the other division, and suffered only 1 loss to Team B, a divisional opponent.
Team B plays the top crossover teams and loses twice, but beat Team A H2H. Given they are intentionally scheduling to help the "top" teams with SOS and protect the "bottom" teams with more competitive games, it's tough to penalize Team B for having to play better cross division games or vice versa.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 6 STANDINGS


WEEK 7

Conference: 3pts
St. Scholastica (+50.5) @ Carleton
#5 St. John's @ St. Olaf (+42.5)
Concordia (+10.5) @ #11 Bethel
Gustavus @ Hamline (+35.5)
Augsburg @ Macalester (+8.5)

Other games: 1pt
Drake (+14.5) @ St. Thomas
#20 Carnegie Mellon @ Washington & Jefferson (+7.5)

[TheChucker]

As the (self appointed) keeper of the Monkey Stomp(TM) regulations I give you:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hxwpLdvD6eqQPG_tDAIuCS8PlO9P3SJOTM5HPehmcOU/edit
There haven't been any additions in a long time. Hoping Ice ****ing Bear
has something to ****ing contribute.

Classic. Thank you.

[faunch]

Dave McHugh with some solid thoughts on being able to view archived game footage (links to tweets below).

I've been seeing more complaints and debates in #d3fb about teams hiding archives of video streams. It's something that happens in all sports and a practice I've preached against for years.

I don't think people grasp the absurdity.

With #d3hoops season soon, a #Hoopsville Rant:

https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1579527577810919424?s=20&t=m0d8boagSMimcSJghVFP1A

https://twitter.com/d3hoopsville/status/1579527589018099713?s=20&t=m0d8boagSMimcSJghVFP1A

As all things begin and end with SJU in my world, I ask: are the archived games available to those who pay for the live video? I've always not paid for the live feeds because usually in the fall I'm doing something like a kids' soccer game, family pictures, or taking my kids to an apple orchard or pumpkin patch (they're all girls and all under age 6).

I get that the live feeds are put behind a pay wall to encourage in-person attendance for local fans and get some cha-ching from those of us who live far away. But, why not have the archived games made available within 12-24 hours of the conclusion of the game? They can still protect in-game attendance while giving access for those of us that aren't able to make it to Collegeville.

They are not available for on demand even if you pay for the live video. The first year I bought the SJU season pass this really irked me. At that time my kids had fall sports and I couldn't always get to the games or watch the live stream because we were at some high school gym that had ****ty guest internet. I do wish SJU would change their policy on this. I believe that every team has access to all the games of every team. It also would increase exposure for potential recruits.
I'll also admit that I just suck it up and pay the $10 for home games that aren't likely to be very competitive. I figure to attend in person cost me somewhere between $20 and $50 at days end.

[sjusection105]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 6 STANDINGS


WEEK 7

Conference: 3pts
St. Scholastica (+50.5) @ Carleton
#5 St. John's @ St. Olaf (+42.5)
Concordia (+10.5) @ #11 Bethel
Gustavus @ Hamline (+35.5)
Augsburg @ Macalester (+8.5)

Other games: 1pt
Drake (+14.5) @ St. Thomas
#20 Carnegie Mellon @ Washington & Jefferson (+7.5)

CSS 

[DuffMan]

Has Carleton ever been a 50+ point favorite in a football game?

[SagatagSam]

Has Carleton ever been a 50+ point favorite in a football game?

Seeing as there are no records of lines going back to 1920, I'd say we cannot verify for certain.
Last year's 45.5 spread over St. Scholastica last October 16 is the largest I can find.

[DuffMan]

I appreciate the research, Sam, but it was a mostly rhetorical question. 

[SagatagSam]

I appreciate the research, Sam, but it was a mostly rhetorical question. 

I know. I do it for the fun of it.

There were some Book of Knowledge games from 2006-2009 (otherwise known as the Glenn Caruso era of Macalester football) where MAC was favored by 28-30 points.

[Ice Bear]

Ice Bear sees Bethel at #5. Ice understands the 1 loss but also understands the circumstances of the loss (he understands Bethel is not the only team that has faced challenging circumstances). The Bear says that as long as Roste is rockin and healthy, the Royals may just be being slept on a bit here.

[RoyalsFan]

Top for Hamline was 13:03 vs. Bethel at17:00..

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Note sure where you got that stat from, it doesn't even add up to 60 minutes. Sounds like for just 1 half.  TOP was 31:19 for Hamlin and 28:41 for Bethel.