FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[royalachilles]

Kilted, I am in Johnston, but you live in a pretty cool old part of town.  Im sure by now you have done the Ingersoll Crawl.  Wellmans is a good place to start. Im out off of 86th street.  All jokes aside, you will love it here. The johnnies still suck.

[johnnyadmit]

Kilted, I am in Johnston, but you live in a pretty cool old part of town.  Im sure by now you have done the Ingersoll Crawl.  Wellmans is a good place to start. Im out off of 86th street.  All jokes aside, you will love it here. The johnnies still suck.

He WILL love it there??   Man KR, if it takes you more than 2 years to start loving a place, get the hell out!!   

[Kilted Rat]

It's becoming more and more apparent that you don't care about any sort of football that is less than Bethel.  Now, I'm not really sure where Bethel is at the moment, maybe closer to the middle of the MIAC, but they are not as far removed from the lower teams of the MIAC and the upper teams of the MIAC as you might think.  Not that it means a whole lot, but Northwestern's jv did beat Bethel's jv last year.

When you start a statement with the phrase "Not that it means a whole lot" you're probably right and you shouldn't be making that statement.


Carleton's soccer team beat St Ben's soccer team last year, that has as much relevance to varsity football as your comment, so I guess SJU should really be worried about the Knights this fall, huh?


Face it, UMAC is a sub-sub-sub-par conference. The only reason it's the 2nd best small school conference in MN is because there are only 2. As much as you don't want to admit it, most winning high schools in MN would beat most UMAC teams including Northwestern quite handedly.

In 2004, SJU beat Northwestern 48-0 and the only reason it wasn't worse is because nearly every SJU player played.

Here are SJU's results that season:
UW-Eau Claire •    L 30-28       
Northwestern (Minn.)    W 48-0       
at Carleton • *    W 55-7       
Gustavus Adolphus • *    W 42-14       
Hamline • *    W 41-6       
Bethel • *    W 37-0       
Concordia-Moorhead • *    L 21-20       
Augsburg • *    W 38-13       
St. Olaf • *    L 21-19       
St. Thomas • *    W 21-0


The only other team we beat by 48 was Carleton and the last touchdown was scored with under 2 min to go. Also, it was a road game, so Carleton had to play SJU's 1st and 2nd string for the most part, not the 4th-7th string NW played for the entire second half. Also, Carleton managed to and did so in the 1st quarter against our 1st team defense, a feat Northwestern's offense couldn't do against our back-up's back-up's back-up's back-ups.
Northwestern may be the best team in the UMAC, but that's like being the prettiest girl in the trailer park as my grandpa always said, it don't mean much. Northwestern and the rest of the UMAC are as many levels below the MIAC as the MIAC is below the NFL.


In 2005, SJU beat Northwestern 57-7. SJU's only other 50+point margin of victory was against Monmouth in the playoffs, Monmouth isn't in the MIAC.

UW-Eau Claire •    W 35-28       
at Northwestern (Minn.)    W 57-7       
Carleton • *    W 41-7       
at Gustavus Adolphus • *    W 41-14       
Hamline • *    W 44-0       
at Bethel • *    W 30-9       
at Concordia-Moorhead • *    W 20-16       
Augsburg • *    W 56-16       
St. Olaf • *    W 63-9       
at St. Thomas • *    W 48-14       
Monmouth #    W 62-3       
at UW-Whitewater #    L 34-7     

Even Hamline only lost by 44 and Auggie Tech only lost by 40. Again, Northwestern may be the best team in the UMAC, but they're no where near the level of even the worst MIAC teams.

[Kilted Rat]

Kilted, I am in Johnston, but you live in a pretty cool old part of town.  Im sure by now you have done the Ingersoll Crawl.  Wellmans is a good place to start. Im out off of 86th street.  All jokes aside, you will love it here. The johnnies still suck.

Yeah, I've been in Des Moines since August 2004. It's not too bad.

Johnnies don't suck, that would be the tommies.

[FPM]

AO you will see just how far you are behind the MIAC on Sept. 9th playing Auggie.  You will have two advantages playing at home and it being NW second game and Augsburg's first.  I see a 22-12 Auggie win.

[Kilted Rat]

Wow, its amazing how much we can all unite against a common idiot!

[DutchFan2004]

MR & KR


I love to read your two posts, usually pretty funny and you speak with alot of truth (with a little biased school support).

I would agree from what I saw in Bethel that Northwestern would have a hard time playing in the MIAC.  I don't think that Central would even entertain the idea of NW on its schedule.  They want to get a test in the non conference and see where they are.  If something is broken or needs fixed you have to know it.  Playing your 4-7 teams doesn't help the 1-3 teams. Thats what our JV schedule is for.

[Goal Line Stand]

  IT'S FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS, BOYS!!!

The start of High School football!, (in most areas.)  If that isn't an official signal that it is football season, I don't know what is!!!!!

Not in Minnesota.  Minnesota high schools don't play till next week.

That is why I qualified it with (in most areas)   

Except the qualification doesn't wash.  While schools in some states do start this weekend, it looks like the clear majority don't start until the following weekend - e.g., CA, TX, NY, LA, AL, OK, GA.  NJ even seems to start the week after that. 

A clear majority doesn't start until the following weekend?  Might want to check every state before you make a declaration like that!  State's starting HS football this weekend include Iowa, Ohio, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana (started last week) North and  South Dakota,  Montana, Wyoming and that is when I got tired of looking.  Wow, You MIACer will pick a fight over the smallest things.  Just wanted to get everyone pumped up about football season!!    

[Goal Line Stand]

Guess I should have said, in alot of areas, instead of most areas!

[AO]

I don't care about any sort of football less than BU?  Maybe because I am a BU fan, you tool.  Last year when the playoffs came around, I was all for SJU and CON.  I was talking trash for them on other boards.  I care about MIAC football on these boards, not UMAC.  When and if NWC becomes a part of the MIAC, then I will listen to your comments because we will need NWC fans on the board, but until then, shut ur hole about NWC competing in the MIAC.  Yeah, I talk BU up a lot...BECAUSE I GRADUATED FROM THERE AND PLAYED FOR THEM, HENCE, I WILL STAND BY THEM AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN A CONTENDER IN THE LEAGUE.

Mighty Royal

I wasn't trying to fault you for talking bethel up a lot.  I too, will get behind the minnesota teams (johnnies, cobbs) when they get into the playoffs.  I just don't think you understand the talent that exists beneath that top-tier of the MIAC.  It's an easy thing to do, and this is what can make the underdog victory so special.  The underdog had a pretty good chance to win, but the elite cockiness of the traditionally superior team had no idea how good the underdog was till they saw them beat the elite team.  Unfortunately, not many chances exist in the football season for these types of matchups as there is room for only 2 non-conference matchups in the typical D3 season.

I don't really see Northwestern becoming part of the MIAC ever, but that doesn't mean we can't banter back and forth between conferences.  Northwestern plays a MIAC opponent every year and has done pretty well recently.  Are you afraid of discussing a hypothetical Bethel-Northwestern matchup?  If not, then the logical step for me to make is that you're just ignorant.

Hmmm...KR....can you help me?  Did AO really just bring up jv teams?

How is a victory, even if it is a jv victory, not a sign of a pretty solid program?  I surely don't expect to get my jv beat by a team that I think is far below the level of my varsity team.

Kilted Rat:  Did you come to the game last year?  Did you notice the score in the second quarter read 7-7?  halftime 20-7?  the blowouts are not a matter of 1st team versus 7th team, it's more of 3rd team versus 7th team, and at that point in the game the score just kind of happens, maybe northwestern's 3rd team puts up 24 points on st. john's 7th team in the fourth quarter?  does it really matter?  comparing scores can get pretty ugly, even more so than comparing jv scores.

Facts are that there are a few teams within the UMAC that can compete with the MIAC, IIAC, whatever.  Westminster, Northwestern, Rockford, Martin Luther and Minnesota-Morris are capable of beating several MIAC schools any given Saturday.

oh, and Des Moines is a much nicer city than I had thought previously from playing Grandview there a couple years back.  Went to the Iowa State Fair last week and around town and was very impressed.  snuck into drake stadium too.  Do they get any sort of crowds there for football or is it mostly known for the relays?

[Pat Coleman]

AO, bussy, you better produce a team that can win one of those games before you bring that stuff back here again.

[AO]

AO, bussy, you better produce a team that can win one of those games before you bring that stuff back here again.

Bussy?  haven't heard that one before

Not a whole lot of teams beat St. John's last year if I can remember, so I don't know if winning was necessary to keep the debate going.  Besides, when I had to leave the game last year to go to of all places, mounds view stadium, I had thought it was possible that we might win.  We had tied the game at 7, forced three fumbles and were down less than 2 scores at the half.  The final score is what counts, but I could think of a lot of ways of getting beat worse by a top ten team than what happened that day.

[Kilted Rat]

How is a victory, even if it is a jv victory, not a sign of a pretty solid program?  I surely don't expect to get my jv beat by a team that I think is far below the level of my varsity team.

Easy, same way the fact that the Royals beat Oakland doesn't mean they're a solid team. If the best thing your program has to boast is a JV win, you're already below the level of being a solid team.

Heck, SJU's JV team hasn't won a game in decades  Does that mean we don't have a solid program? Read JohnnieEsq's signature before you decide.

Kilted Rat:  Did you come to the game last year?  Did you notice the score in the second quarter read 7-7?  halftime 20-7?  the blowouts are not a matter of 1st team versus 7th team, it's more of 3rd team versus 7th team, and at that point in the game the score just kind of happens, maybe northwestern's 3rd team puts up 24 points on st. john's 7th team in the fourth quarter?  does it really matter?  comparing scores can get pretty ugly, even more so than comparing jv scores.

No, when I drive from Des Moines up for a football game (especially back when I had tests every week) I make sure its a game against a solid opponent worth watching.
I listened to the game on the radio. Between that and first hand accounts, SJU played sloppy as heck in the first half and would have been blown out by a decent opponent.
Maybe NW's 3rd team.... maybe? You're on crack if you think Northwestern's 1st team could even put up 24 points against a bunch of SJU alums from the 60's.
Comparing scores of a game that actually happened on the Varsity level makes a lot more sense than JV scores and claiming they mean something on the varsity level.

Facts are that there are a few teams within the UMAC that can compete with the MIAC, IIAC, whatever.  Westminster, Northwestern, Rockford, Martin Luther and Minnesota-Morris are capable of beating several MIAC schools any given Saturday.

Facts? Please what facts are these? Head to head records sure as heck don't support you. You should share some of the good stuff you have apparently been smoking with the rest of us.
It is more realistic and probably more accurate to say that most high school leagues could compete in the UMAC than to claim that UMAC teams could compete in the MIAC.

oh, and Des Moines is a much nicer city than I had thought previously from playing Grandview there a couple years back.  Went to the Iowa State Fair last week and around town and was very impressed.  snuck into drake stadium too.  Do they get any sort of crowds there for football or is it mostly known for the relays?

Drake is lacking in the football fan dept. The only time the stadium is packed is for the relays. Next year they have the NCAA Track Championships here as well so that will probably pack the place.
For an average football game with great weather, they about half fill the stadium.

Not a whole lot of teams beat St. John's last year

True, not a lot of teams lost to SJU by 50 last year either!

[AO]

If the best thing your program has to boast is a JV win, you're already below the level of being a solid team.

Heck, SJU's JV team hasn't won a game in decades  Does that mean we don't have a solid program? Read JohnnieEsq's signature before you decide.

How about 3 conference championships, 1 national championship, undefeated season and 8 naia all-americans in the last six years?
Northwestern has definitely won it's share of football games.

I listened to the game on the radio. Between that and first hand accounts, SJU played sloppy as heck in the first half and would have been blown out by a decent opponent.
Maybe NW's 3rd team.... maybe? You're on crack if you think Northwestern's 1st team could even put up 24 points against a bunch of SJU alums from the 60's.
Comparing scores of a game that actually happened on the Varsity level makes a lot more sense than JV scores and claiming they mean something on the varsity level.

Was it the poor weather and wet conditions that caused the sloppy play?  Seemed to be sunny and 80 to me.  Must have been something about the johnnies just not being as good as you thought or maybe, just maybe, the defense made some plays in the first half against the johnnies.

True, my facts aren't facts, but my speculation has a lot more basis in reality than something about high school teams beating college teams.  The head-to-head matchup history is just not there for many teams, so it's hard to judge.  Northwestern has handled Hamline and Carleton in the past and gotten beat by the johnnies, this shouldn't be news to most MIAC teams who do this every year.

too bad about drake not getting those stands filled, maybe if they had support equal in proportion to what St. John's gets, things would get exciting.

[FPM]

ok look no further than the last time NW played Hamline in 02 and 03 IMO probably the two worst teams in recent Hamline history.  How did the games go.  The year NW won HU won two MIAC games (Mac was still around and the next year Hamline went winless in the conference and beat NW 30-6  yes that was the year SJU put 74 up on them the next game.