FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[tmerton]

Guess I should have said, in alot of areas, instead of most areas!

Actually, you should have said "some."  SC and TN started last week, though.

[Kilted Rat]

How about 3 conference championships, 1 national championship, undefeated season and 8 naia all-americans in the last six years?
Northwestern has definitely won it's share of football games.

What conference? Like I said earlier, being the best team in the UMAC is a lot like being the prettiest girl in the trailer park, while it's big in your little area, it doesn't mean a damn thing elsewhere.

Was it the poor weather and wet conditions that caused the sloppy play?  Seemed to be sunny and 80 to me.  Must have been something about the johnnies just not being as good as you thought or maybe, just maybe, the defense made some plays in the first half against the johnnies.

NWC did make some good plays jumping on the ball when SJU coughed it up and they did make some tackles, I'll give you that. However they had as much adrenaline going as SJU does in National Championship games, while SJU was about as worked up for that game as they are for a practice in a bye week. 

True, my facts aren't facts, but my speculation has a lot more basis in reality than something about high school teams beating college teams.  The head-to-head matchup history is just not there for many teams, so it's hard to judge.  Northwestern has handled Hamline and Carleton in the past and gotten beat by the johnnies, this shouldn't be news to most MIAC teams who do this every year.

Correct, your facts aren't facts so stop referring to them as such.
Please explain to me how your speculation has a lot more basis than mine. You keep claiming that it does, yet you provide no facts or evidence to support your claim. If this were a courtroom, I would move to have your claim dismissed since they are clearly meritless.
While my claims may have no evidence backing them, at least they don't have evidence against them! NWC has shown in their 2 games against SJU they can't even hold Carleton's jock-strap.
NWC has shown their inadequacy against the MIAC, however  the UMAC hasn't shown their ability to defeat a high school team, so my claims have more merit or less evidence to the contrary however you wish to spin it.
Either way, you're the best team in your own conference and nothing more.



Drake is a basketball school and not a football school. The students know it and as such it's difficult for them to draw good athletes. Also, to play DI B-ball, Drake must play DII football when in reality they are better suited numbers wise to be DIII.

[tmerton]

KR or whoever.  What's the deal with the NCAA and combining D1 with ...?  Apparently a few schools such as Colorado College, can do both D1 (hockey) and D3 (most if not all other stuff), but I guess those are special "grandfathered" cases and the NCAA won't allow any more schools to do that.  So is combining D1 and D2 okay for anyone? 

[tmerton]

My firm is moving this weekend so we went "dark" at noon (no email, no internet, no phones, etc. - it was almost great).  So when I get home after finishing packing my office I see there are four or five pages of posts!  What the ... ?  Wow.  I guess fb season really has started.

The only info I'll venture from my inside source is the the Johnnies look very good and he loves the coaches.  And no, they haven't practiced indoors yet.

[Kilted Rat]

KR or whoever.  What's the deal with the NCAA and combining D1 with ...?  Apparently a few schools such as Colorado College, can do both D1 (hockey) and D3 (most if not all other stuff), but I guess those are special "grandfathered" cases and the NCAA won't allow any more schools to do that.  So is combining D1 and D2 okay for anyone? 

No clue, I'm just basing what I said on what I heard from my cousin who works in the Sports info dept at Drake.


PC or JEsq would be your best sources.

[royalachilles]

KR, I'll tell you what.  If you want to see one of the first D1AA games of the year at Drake Stadium, I will give you the 2 best seats in the house.  I am a major sponor of their program, and I know you would enjoy it.  Their about the 45 and row 1. This is the first year for Drake Stadium under the new renovation, and this will be telivised.  If you accept, you will be sitting next to 2 of mine and my wifes best friends, so  enjoy the night without agenda.  They will never mention Bethel if you dont mention St. Gacs. so if you want to go, it is possible.  The field looks awesome, as we have our name on it, so it would probably be pretty cool,  I cant go bacause I willl be in Texas on business.  If you want to go, and my wife cant, let me know.  Last year it was a track meet, UNI dominated, and I dont see that happening this year.  A small jesture of MIAC Karma.     This is the last nice thing I will do for a Johnnie.

[royalachilles]

Last word from me, Im just really pumped you all decided it was football season. Talk to you all after week 1.

[tmerton]

Just watching Saving Private Ryan.  Makes one appreciate the ability to appreciate sports.  k to all, even GLS.

Where's BDB?

[AO]

What conference? Like I said earlier, being the best team in the UMAC is a lot like being the prettiest girl in the trailer park, while it's big in your little area, it doesn't mean a damn thing elsewhere.

When you play in the national championship in the NCCAA it is not exactly trailer-park material.  Gardner-Webb played in the NCCAA back when we went undefeated.  We played Lindenwood, a naia scholarship school of 10000 out of st. louis who was ranked quite highly in the naia and nearly upset them a couple years ago.  The only head-to-head matchup history that northwestern has with the MIAC they are 3-3 with the losses coming on a down year to hamline and twice losing to the johnnies.  So when you try to judge games by saying well this MIAC team only got blown out by 40, but you got beat by 48, I really don't think it matters too much if it's a blowout. 

NWC did make some good plays jumping on the ball when SJU coughed it up and they did make some tackles, I'll give you that. However they had as much adrenaline going as SJU does in National Championship games, while SJU was about as worked up for that game as they are for a practice in a bye week.

Did you see this ultimate edge in adrenaline that Northwestern apparently had?  You're just making up things to ease the burden off the poor play of the johnnies and the solid play of northwestern.  I know there has been much talk about gags preparing for every game like st. john's could get beat and he could be fired.  If St. John's is the elite team I think they are, they had enough discipline to get up and play some football that sunday.  The weather was great and the stands were full and it sure seemed like the johnnies had a lot to prove and an playoff hopes to protect.


The UMAC has shown the ability to play with MIAC squads.  The games they have played against them have been far and far between.  It isn't really correct to say that the UMAC is the second best conference in Minnesota, because it isn't based soley in this state like the MIAC is.  With solid teams from Illinois and Missouri who haven't ever played MIAC teams, you don't have enough knowledge to even begin to say they couldn't be respectable in the MIAC.  I don't know that I really expected you to, but if I can spread a little football knowledge, then better for everybody. 

So is drake football dII or IAA?  achilles has got me confused now.  or maybe just UNI is 1AA and the drake-uni game is an exhibition?  one thing can be said about the other d1 iowa schools is that they all stuck it to the Hawkeyes in basketball last year.

[Kilted Rat]

Ok, here we go again.

When you play in the national championship in the NCCAA it is not exactly trailer-park material.  Gardner-Webb played in the NCCAA back when we went undefeated.  We played Lindenwood, a naia scholarship school of 10000 out of st. louis who was ranked quite highly in the naia and nearly upset them a couple years ago.  The only head-to-head matchup history that northwestern has with the MIAC they are 3-3 with the losses coming on a down year to hamline and twice losing to the johnnies.  So when you try to judge games by saying well this MIAC team only got blown out by 40, but you got beat by 48, I really don't think it matters too much if it's a blowout. 

1. Winngin the NCCAA does not count as a national championship to anyone outside the NCCAA. The majority of if not all of the MIAC schools are Christian schools of various denomination, yet none are in the NCCAA, therefore the NCCAA does not contain all Christian colleges, whereas DIII contains all DIII schools, therefore it is not truly a national championship so much as it is winning a bingo tournament at Summer Bible Camp.
2.  "with the losses coming on a down year to Hamline."  Hilarious! Every school in the MIAC has down years but with all due respect to fFPM, very few of them lose to Hamline in those years. At least you admit NWC got blown out by SJU, where as the teams in the upper levels of the MIAC, which you claim UMAC schools can compete with, don't.
3.  I don't care about the NAIA. If the NAIA was so great, why are so many schools, NWC included, leaving it every year?
4.  Oh no, not Gardner-Webb! If that's a name that doesn't strike fear into the hearts of opposing teams I don't know what is. Get a grip.

Did you see this ultimate edge in adrenaline that Northwestern apparently had?  You're just making up things to ease the burden off the poor play of the johnnies and the solid play of northwestern.  I know there has been much talk about gags preparing for every game like st. john's could get beat and he could be fired.  If St. John's is the elite team I think they are, they had enough discipline to get up and play some football that sunday.  The weather was great and the stands were full and it sure seemed like the johnnies had a lot to prove and an playoff hopes to protect.

Yes, the Johnnies played so poorly they won 57-7 and 48-0. Man what a piss-poor team they should be ashamed to even produce a team. And amazing that Northwestern, to score 7 points in 2 games while only giving up 105. At that blazing offensive pace, NWC would score as many points in 14 games as SJU did in 1.

Sunday? SJU like most college teams play on Saturday.
SJU scored an average of 53.5 ppg points to NWC's 3.5 ppg. If only they had gotten up to play some football 8)
You hit the nail right on the head, SJU has soooooo much to prove by playing a glorified JV team they had beaten by 48 the year before. I bet Mount Union and Linfield were shaking in their boots when they heard we beat Northwestern College. I heard Coach Kehres even wet his pants when he heard we had the balls to play NWC.

"and an playoff hopes to protect." What exactly is the purpose of the article "an" in this sentence if not to prove your lack of comprehension of and your inability to use the written english language?

The UMAC has shown the ability to play with MIAC squads.  The games they have played against them have been far and far between.

When has the UMAC shown ability to play with MIAC squads?

Here are NWC's records against various MIAC schools since 2000:
Carleton  2-0  winning by 7 and 8
Hamline   1-1 
St. John's  0-2  2005

Wow you beat the two worst teams in the MIAC over the past 6 years a combined 3 times and you got trounced by the best team. Really supports your claim:

...a few teams within the UMAC that can compete with the MIAC, IIAC, whatever.  Westminster, Northwestern, Rockford, Martin Luther and Minnesota-Morris are capable of beating several MIAC schools any given Saturday.

Several being 2? And those wins are by NWC, the best your shotty conference has to offer against the MIAC's worst teams. Keep dreaming. Perhaps what you meant to say is that a few teams within the UMAC can compete with the Central Lakes Conference teams any given Friday night.

It isn't really correct to say that the UMAC is the second best conference in Minnesota, because it isn't based soley in this state like the MIAC is.  With solid teams from Illinois and Missouri who haven't ever played MIAC teams, you don't have enough knowledge to even begin to say they couldn't be respectable in the MIAC.  I don't know that I really expected you to, but if I can spread a little football knowledge, then better for everybody. 

OK, the UMAC is the 2nd or 3rd of 4th or 5th ...best conference in whatever state you want to say as long as you adjust to say that the UMAC is the worst conference in all of those states.
I have enough knowledge. The UMAC's best team in 2005 and 2006 got dominated by the MIAC's best team and the score could have been way worse had SJU not played every back-up they could find and half the fans in the stands.
If you could spread a little football knowledge instead of pointless factless ramblings, that would be great for everybody. Unfortunately you have shown an inability ot accomplish that feat.

So is drake football dII or IAA?  achilles has got me confused now.  or maybe just UNI is 1AA and the drake-uni game is an exhibition?  one thing can be said about the other d1 iowa schools is that they all stuck it to the Hawkeyes in basketball last year.

Royal achilles is the one to go with on this since he obviously is in position to know a lot more than me.


...and with that I am done attempting to have a battle of wits with such a blatantly un-armed individual. If you actually make some legitimate points or even provide the slightest shred of evidence, I will consider replying, but now you are to dead to me like the Mo-hawk, Boomboxes, and Michael Jackson as a black man.

[Kilted Rat]

KR, I'll tell you what.  If you want to see one of the first D1AA games of the year at Drake Stadium, I will give you the 2 best seats in the house.  I am a major sponor of their program, and I know you would enjoy it.  Their about the 45 and row 1. This is the first year for Drake Stadium under the new renovation, and this will be telivised.  If you accept, you will be sitting next to 2 of mine and my wifes best friends, so  enjoy the night without agenda.  They will never mention Bethel if you dont mention St. Gacs. so if you want to go, it is possible.  The field looks awesome, as we have our name on it, so it would probably be pretty cool,  I cant go bacause I willl be in Texas on business.  If you want to go, and my wife cant, let me know.  Last year it was a track meet, UNI dominated, and I dont see that happening this year.  A small jesture of MIAC Karma.     This is the last nice thing I will do for a Johnnie.

Wow, that would be awesome! Congrats to you and Drake on the new stadium. I've ran past it a few times this summer and it looks sweet.
Definitely keep me posted on that. I would be extremely honored and grateful to be able to go!

I'd even promise not to take my UNI friend 

[Pat Coleman]

The Drake deal:

If you play D-I basketball you must play D-I everything. Therefore Drake plays I-AA non-scholarship football. They offer as many scholarships as MIAC schools. And the playing field has looked rather level over recent years, hasn't it? Drake has lost to D-III teams.

[Kilted Rat]

But that doesn't apply to D-I hockey?

[DutchFan2004]

KR

Are you going to the Drake game?  I think it should be a pretty one sided game.  I hope not for Drakes sake.  But I think the Bulldogs will have their hands full with the Panthers.  If you get bored some time swing down to Pella to catch a D-3 game its only about 45 minutes from Des Moines.

[royalachilles]

Drake has played DIII teams, but not for a while.  The have a pretty cool heritage.  The attendance issues were partly due to the facility itself before this year, when they spent millions renovating it.  It is a very impressive stadium now, and over the last few years they have been very strong in the Pioneer League in D1AA.  Some 1AA schools are scholarhip eligible but drake is not. They have invested a lot of money this year with the old A.D. out and the new A.D. in, (old associate A.D. of Arizone State), in marketing this Football program, and I can tell you they have been impressive over the last few years.  I think actually, they were national champions 3 or 4 years ago.  Believe it or not they have played the Gusties over the years, as well as others, and had Simpson and Wartburg on there schedule up to the mid nineties. Other notable teams they have competed with over the years Iowa and Iowa State up intil 1985, and back further Kansas, Minnesota, Notre Dame   UCLA, Oregon, Illinois, Ohio State, and others.  This new track sponsorship is a huge thing for Drake Athletics, and their is a new spirit there now that the new facility is complete, and will be shown off this Thursday night on TV against Northern Iowa. 



K.R. if the old lady cant go, the tickets are yours, and the place should be packed. I will let you know, and then you can drop me your address on a side message and you have them in a day.  You really should take your bud from UNI, as one of the girls in the seats with you was a Star Fastpitch player when she was there, (appx 96) and I think their will be a big UNI fan base.  I will keep you informed, but it would be a pretty cool thursday night deal.  You should start out early in one of the Drake bars really close to the field, its wild.