FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Kilted Rat]

Michigan would have been the closest game, Florida against SJU won't even be close by half.

You think the Johnnies'd beat 'em that bad, huh?

I was confusing my two favorite College FB teams.

It's been a long weekend and I still have SJU's loss weighing heavily on my mind.

Michigan would have been the closest game, Florida against SJU won't even be close by half.

You think the Johnnies'd beat 'em that bad, huh?

That's what I was thinking .  Let's hope KR doesn't get the spleen and left foot confused like that on his next surgical rotation...

That's why the nurses circle/mark the area to be operated on with magic marker before surgery, then another nurse checks it and the doctor confirms, then if they're lucky, the med student gets to cut, but usually they're just holding equipment

Besides by then I'll be mostly recovered from SJU's season ending prematurely. Watching OSU stomp Florida up and down the field to the tune of 42-13 will help!

I hate the thought that monstrously muscular men battle back and forth for 59 minutes + only to have a 5'6 140lb latino with a cheesy moustache come out and decide the game.

                                          T   E   A   M

Having a 60 minute game decided by the smallest guy on the TEAM is as much indicitive of a team sport and effort as are penalty kicks in that other game played on some football fields.

YES!!!!! The Gators will knock Ohio St as flat as Ohio is  Urban-ball is The 2nd best thing behind Gags-ball

The Gators have as much chance against OSU as Hamline did against SJU this year.

Michigan would have been the closest game, Florida against SJU won't even be close by half.

Phone that in!

A 12-1 SEC team beats Michigan in my opinion. Aside from Wisconsin and OSU, the Wolverines played nobody of consequence. The Big 10 is really the big 3 with assorted high school teams mixed in. Way too top heavy.

Florida lost to 10-3 #9 Auburn by 10. Michigan lost to 12-0 #1 OSU by 3.

Florida had a D-IAA school on their schedule along with Central Florida, and very weak FSU, Bama, and Georgia.

Michigan played the #1 (OSU) and #5 (Wisc) teams in the country this year as well as the then #2 team in the country, a very over-rated Notre Dame.


No matter how you slice it, someone had to get screwed, just sucks that 2 Big 10 teams got screwed in Michigan and Wisconsin.

If someone can explain to me how a team, Wisconsin, can be ranked #5 and #6  in the polls and #7 in the BCS and NOT play in a BCS game because they played in a good conference, I'd love to hear it. Especially when BCS #8 Boise State (who played mostly high school teams), BCS #10 Oklahoma, BCS #10 Notre Dame and BCS #14 Wake Forest  do!

The 2 teams from one conference is BS, just like the whole damn BcS system. If anyone still thinks a playoff system of some sort isn't needed, they're the mental equivalent of Denny Green and Mike Tice's love child.

[WLCALUM83]

The question of why Wisconsin did not get a BCS bid came up on another board, and the answer given there was that by rule the BCS can not take 3 teams from the same conference.

[cobbernation]

Michigan would have been the closest game, Florida against SJU won't even be close by half.

You think the Johnnies'd beat 'em that bad, huh?

I was confusing my two favorite College FB teams.

It's been a long weekend and I still have SJU's loss weighing heavily on my mind.

Michigan would have been the closest game, Florida against SJU won't even be close by half.

You think the Johnnies'd beat 'em that bad, huh?

That's what I was thinking .  Let's hope KR doesn't get the spleen and left foot confused like that on his next surgical rotation...

That's why the nurses circle/mark the area to be operated on with magic marker before surgery, then another nurse checks it and the doctor confirms, then if they're lucky, the med student gets to cut, but usually they're just holding equipment

Besides by then I'll be mostly recovered from SJU's season ending prematurely. Watching OSU stomp Florida up and down the field to the tune of 42-13 will help!

I hate the thought that monstrously muscular men battle back and forth for 59 minutes + only to have a 5'6 140lb latino with a cheesy moustache come out and decide the game.

                                          T   E   A   M

Having a 60 minute game decided by the smallest guy on the TEAM is as much indicitive of a team sport and effort as are penalty kicks in that other game played on some football fields.

YES!!!!! The Gators will knock Ohio St as flat as Ohio is  Urban-ball is The 2nd best thing behind Gags-ball

The Gators have as much chance against OSU as Hamline did against SJU this year.

Michigan would have been the closest game, Florida against SJU won't even be close by half.

Phone that in!

A 12-1 SEC team beats Michigan in my opinion. Aside from Wisconsin and OSU, the Wolverines played nobody of consequence. The Big 10 is really the big 3 with assorted high school teams mixed in. Way too top heavy.

Florida lost to 10-3 #9 Auburn by 10. Michigan lost to 12-0 #1 OSU by 3.

Florida had a D-IAA school on their schedule along with Central Florida, and very weak FSU, Bama, and Georgia.

Michigan played the #1 (OSU) and #5 (Wisc) teams in the country this year as well as the then #2 team in the country, a very over-rated Notre Dame.


No matter how you slice it, someone had to get screwed, just sucks that 2 Big 10 teams got screwed in Michigan and Wisconsin.

If someone can explain to me how a team, Wisconsin, can be ranked #5 and #6  in the polls and #7 in the BCS and NOT play in a BCS game because they played in a good conference, I'd love to hear it. Especially when BCS #8 Boise State (who played mostly high school teams), BCS #10 Oklahoma, BCS #10 Notre Dame and BCS #14 Wake Forest  do!

The 2 teams from one conference is BS, just like the whole damn BcS system. If anyone still thinks a playoff system of some sort isn't needed, they're the mental equivalent of Denny Green and Mike Tice's love child.

1. Florida in my mind should not be playing in the Nat'l title game, only because of a weaker schedule than Mich. as KR stated above.  Only because, what if OSU lost to Mich. by 3.  would OSU be playing Mich. for the nat'l title?

2. KR, the reason why Wisconsin doesn't get a BCS bowl is because by rule each conference is allowed only 2 teams in BCS bowls.  That's why Wisconsin gets the back seat to OSU and Mich.

3. If OSU loses in the Nat'l title game, obviously the undisputed champion should be Boise State (if they win their bowl game over OU) because they will be the only undefeated team in the land!  Yes!  Ok, I am joking.  Boise State plays in the WAC which is a horrible conference.  They should try to get into a bigger conference someday.

That's all I got for now.

Prediction for Nat'l title game:

OSU 48
UF    24

[TC]

I think it goes without saying, but how great would it be if Division I had a... oh, I dunno...  32-team playoff or something?  Maybe they could even break it up into 4 loosely geographic-based brackets, give the winner of each conference a spot in the field, throw in some at-large teams, have the winner decided on the field, etc.  I know it sounds crazy, but I'm sure there has to be some sort of similar model somewhere that we could pattern it after.   

I always hear that the NCAA is all about the $.  You don't think this would make money?  Giving the OSUs, Michigans, USCs, Floridas, LSUs, etc. of college football 3, 4, or 5 games isn't going to sell tickets?  Advertisers wouldn't be interested in selling commercials during those games?  Honestly, just make it happen already.  This would absolutely destroy March Madness in terms of popularity and I can't think of any reason why anyone would wouldn't like the idea (except for the fine people of the Gaylord Hotels Bowl, Insight.com Bowl and the Whitewater YouF'dUp Bowl).

Damn, I wish Rutgers had won out so we could just have them lose by 80 in the title game and get it over with.

[sju56321]

Dusty-nice post about the vulgarity-too bad some UWW posters don't seem to comprehend that you don't want to expose your 5, 6 7 year olds to that kind of language. Apparently some think only adults attend the games or that there is nothing wrong with kids being exposed to such language. And yes I know that kind of language can occur anywhere, but would be nice not to over-expose the kids to such.

[JohnnieLax02]

TC-

Nice idea, but for D-1 that's too many teams to accompany the bowl system.  If they really want to make the best of both worlds they could use a limited bowl system.  You really need the top ten teams right now....You put them in a playoff where the champ game is the BCS game and then you parlay the losing teams out to a rotating system with the Rose, Fiesta, Sugar and Orange Bowls.  This way you know you will include all of the deserving teams, you also give teams like Boise State a chance to prove they can play with the big dogs.   

The nice thing here is that you wouldn't have to push bach when the bowls are scheduled right now and you still keep the bowls happy.  The lower bowls like Micron, Music City (gophers favorite) and all the others are still getting the same teams they would have landed without the playoff.

[cobbernation]

What is the point of playing bowl games from 15-51 days after your previous game?  I think that it's advantage to Florida for the Nat'l title game because they just beat perrenial power Arkansas to win the SEC championship.  When OSU, has had no real practice for the past 2 weeks.  I would like to see all the bowl games be done in the month of december, but that's not my decision.

Plus, did anyone see the BCS coordinator last night on TV?  Looks like Lou Holtz and him could be brothers.

Favorite Lou Holtz quote:  "You know whooosse a great fooosball player, is that Jeff Smargia from Notre Dame" Add lisps wherever and whenever.

[corn horn]

Every playoff system has its faults. Even the near perfect NCAA basketball 64-team bracket has controversies about who gets in and who is seeded where, often based on conference biases.

In pro football, a 10-6 wildcard team can get hot/lucky and claim the championship from a team many would deem more worthy based on regular season performance.

The D1 college football championship is based on a system that has flaws, but it is a system...all teams are aware of and work within this system. It is better than a post-season vote, which was the previous system. There is enough outrage every year to push for changes, just as there has been in other sports at other levels. The dollar and traditions do drive everything, so change is slow.

Sure, teams like Michigan (and maybe even Boise State) are upset, but Florida isn't. Someone will always cry foul, and someone will be elated and claim they got what they deserved.

As for the BCS coordinator...I remember having a tie exactly like his--in 1986. Took me back a bit!

[Retired Old Rat]

Veek,

Great post.  +k

Sorry I missed all you guys Sat.  It sure was an exciting game.  I was going nuts watching it on my computer.  Can't imagine what it was like in person.

I have many thoughts about this weekend and this season.

First, thanks to Zip and Mrs. Zip for hosting my father and myself.  We had a great time and appreciate your hospitality. 

TDT - leave it to the President of CAC to show up from sunny Florida for 4 straight games.  Now that's a fan!  Even a blizzard at O'Hare couldn't keep him from witnessing his favorite team play.

I got to spend some time on Saturday talking to Janesville Flash and his son-in-law.  Both were very nice and hospitable.  I thought that I always did a good job of supplying brew for a game but I can't hold a candle to what Flash brought.  From Leinie's Red and Honey Weiss to a New Glarus brew to "Groovy Brew" Flash had all the bases covered.  Thanks again.

JR – thanks for another successful tailgate and season of tailgating.  Your burgers were great as always.

Zip – the Chicago polish sausages were once again fantastic.  The jello shots were also appreciated.

The game was very good.  The J's certainly had their chances but turnovers were the difference in the game.  Both the O and D lines of WW were superb.  Not only were they big and strong but they were quick, too.  Kleppe is a monster.  One of the best D lineman that I have seen play the game and I have seen many good ones over the years.    The J's D kept WW on their toes the entire game.  Our offense played well but came up short.  I enjoyed watching this team develop as the season progressed.  And I'm very excited about what's in store next year.  Seeing some of the J's underclassmen develop through the year was great.   We have some key people to replace but next year we are going to be stacked. 

Congrats to the seniors.  Thanks for a great season and good luck in your future endeavors!! 

I love Johnnie football!!

[footballfan413]

Posted this on the WIAC board regarding Duffman's and Dusty's comments about the profanity of some UWW students so thought I would do it here too. 

Ok, I have avoided weighing in on this topic because I can see both sides.  College students will be college student and raunchy chants are common at all levels of sports.  UWW students seem to be singled out many times but I have heard plenty of this crap from other schools over the years.  That being said, as a UWW fan, I personally would like to see the, "you f***** up," cheer gone. (and the B**S chant)  It is distasteful, shows lousy sportsmanship and is demeaning to the players, students and the university.  I believe for me, Duffman, has hit the nail on the head.  Too many children at the games.  That and this cheer is directed at the opposing players.  I hope that it will not take a 15 yard penalty to drive the point home to the students!  The Hawks don't need any help in that department.  Can get plenty of them on their own!! 

[johnnie_esq]

Every playoff system has its faults. Even the near perfect NCAA basketball 64-team bracket has controversies about who gets in and who is seeded where, often based on conference biases.

In pro football, a 10-6 wildcard team can get hot/lucky and claim the championship from a team many would deem more worthy based on regular season performance.

The D1 college football championship is based on a system that has flaws, but it is a system...all teams are aware of and work within this system. It is better than a post-season vote, which was the previous system. There is enough outrage every year to push for changes, just as there has been in other sports at other levels. The dollar and traditions do drive everything, so change is slow.

Sure, teams like Michigan (and maybe even Boise State) are upset, but Florida isn't. Someone will always cry foul, and someone will be elated and claim they got what they deserved.

Count me in favor of an eight-team playoff-- I'd rather see controversy over the eighth place team getting in and having to beat #1, #4 and #2 to win a title rather than a two-team playoff where # 3 doesn't have a chance to win the title.  It makes it frustrating to be #9, for sure, but it's a lot easier being #9 and left out in the cold than #3 (who could have been #2, who knows). If you really want a championship, that's the way to go.

I didn't mind the old system-- having two national champions in the University division simply was a part of the fun and rivalry of college football.  The BCS angers me because it is intended to crown a single champion and cannot do it effectively.  That a coach can "lobby" or refuse to "lobby" is pretty weak if you ask me.  Regardless of what I think about Florida, Lloyd Carr is a class act for staying out of the fray.

But the BCS conferences would never go for the eight-best-teams-in playoff (as the Big East representative would get shoved out by Wisconsin this year), or they could potentially have to share revenues with an eighth place MAC team (that's what would happen if the NCAA ran the playoffs.)  So unless some revelation occurs, and the BCS presidents actually admit that football is more important than academics (which everyone at that level acts like but will not admit to), we're stuck with this system that will always be worth bad press.

[Whoa Nelly]

I attended the Gopher/Arizona St basketball game with a fellow Cobber on Saturday.  We received tickets through a friend of his who is in-tune with the athletic department.  The seats were 2 rows behind the Gopher bench.  My friend, with his 18 month old, was told we could move back a row as we'd have about 5 seats all to ourselves for the little guy to run around.  I made the comment "I can't believe they don't fill seats this close to the bench for a Saturday game."  We were then told by his inside source that they were the seats for Monson's wife and kids - I almost felt as if I was at a wake there for 2-3 seconds.

Thankfully the Gophers pulled one out.  Blowing a 19 point 2nd half lead for the interim head coaching debut would have been a pretty low blow - even for a team with no expectations.

Feel good moment from Saturday.  The PA announcer was doing the pre-game rant.  As he announces who is in town, he pauses after saying Arizona State, covers the microphone, asks the guy next to him who their mascot is, and then comes back with a very bland "Sundevils"

[Buckman]

Count me in favor of an eight-team playoff-- I'd rather see controversy over the eighth place team getting in and having to beat #1, #4 and #2 to win a title rather than a two-team playoff where # 3 doesn't have a chance to win the title.  It makes it frustrating to be #9, for sure, but it's a lot easier being #9 and left out in the cold than #3 (who could have been #2, who knows). If you really want a championship, that's the way to go.

I didn't mind the old system-- having two national champions in the University division simply was a part of the fun and rivalry of college football.  The BCS angers me because it is intended to crown a single champion and cannot do it effectively.  That a coach can "lobby" or refuse to "lobby" is pretty weak if you ask me.  Regardless of what I think about Florida, Lloyd Carr is a class act for staying out of the fray.

But the BCS conferences would never go for the eight-best-teams-in playoff (as the Big East representative would get shoved out by Wisconsin this year), or they could potentially have to share revenues with an eighth place MAC team (that's what would happen if the NCAA ran the playoffs.)  So unless some revelation occurs, and the BCS presidents actually admit that football is more important than academics (which everyone at that level acts like but will not admit to), we're stuck with this system that will always be worth bad press.

Personally, I don't think an 8 team playoff is even necessary.  Why not add just 1 more game that would pit the 2 winners of the top 2 bowls for a given year against each other?  You could keep all of the existing bowls or even add an additonal bowl for just the Championship game.  This year it'd be #1 OSU vs. #4 LSU and #2 Florida vs. #3 Michigan with the winners playing each other.  My thought being that never under the current system or the past system has the #5 team had any legitamate gripe that they were the best team in the country.  Just my $.02.

[frank uible]

Why not play the football schedule into March? That would put a dent in basketball.

[Whoa Nelly]

Count me in favor of an eight-team playoff-- I'd rather see controversy over the eighth place team getting in and having to beat #1, #4 and #2 to win a title rather than a two-team playoff where # 3 doesn't have a chance to win the title.  It makes it frustrating to be #9, for sure, but it's a lot easier being #9 and left out in the cold than #3 (who could have been #2, who knows). If you really want a championship, that's the way to go.

I didn't mind the old system-- having two national champions in the University division simply was a part of the fun and rivalry of college football.  The BCS angers me because it is intended to crown a single champion and cannot do it effectively.  That a coach can "lobby" or refuse to "lobby" is pretty weak if you ask me.  Regardless of what I think about Florida, Lloyd Carr is a class act for staying out of the fray.

But the BCS conferences would never go for the eight-best-teams-in playoff (as the Big East representative would get shoved out by Wisconsin this year), or they could potentially have to share revenues with an eighth place MAC team (that's what would happen if the NCAA ran the playoffs.)  So unless some revelation occurs, and the BCS presidents actually admit that football is more important than academics (which everyone at that level acts like but will not admit to), we're stuck with this system that will always be worth bad press.

Personally, I don't think an 8 team playoff is even necessary.  Why not add just 1 more game that would pit the 2 winners of the top 2 bowls for a given year against each other?  You could keep all of the existing bowls or even add an additonal bowl for just the Championship game.  This year it'd be #1 OSU vs. #4 LSU and #2 Florida vs. #3 Michigan with the winners playing each other.  My thought being that never under the current system or the past system has the #5 team had any legitamate gripe that they were the best team in the country.  Just my $.02.

I like the idea but would like to see it expanded to 5 or 6 teams - with the #1 (5 team) or #1&2 (6 team) getting a bye for their great regular season.  You would still play all the U of MN-type bowls for other teams, but this bowl series being the true grand daddy.  I do agree with you that there is less noise coming from a #5 (or higher) ranked team missing out of a playoff opportunity than a team like Michigan this year.