FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[repete]

I've got to admit that Olefan's claims of academic domination have sadly had an effect. As a guy who was accepted to both schools, perhaps I made a mistake. Who knew you could find such
intellectual depth in the course offerings at STO?

The synopsis is a bit incomplete, however. Chapter -15: "How to Lead the League in Personal Fouls -- The Smart Thing to Do" is strangely missing.

BTW, isn't OleFan the same guy who was trying to stir up all those NCAA violation rumors a few years back?

Wahoo, no one here is saying that STO isn't a good school. On the other hand, there's OleFan ...

[The White Silly]

I don't think St. Olaf is a good school.  It is garbage.  Hot garbage.

[The White Silly]

I took Consumer Math in high school.  Is that good?  I'm rich.  I drive a 2009 M3.  My hobbies include: counting my money and watching Power Team.  Whats my name bia!!!!!!!! 

[sfury]

I've got to admit that Olefan's claims of academic domination have sadly had an effect. As a guy who was accepted to both schools, perhaps I made a mistake. Who knew you could find such
intellectual depth in the course offerings at STO?

Jesus, I will say that's a bit more in depth than Theory of Football that Gagliardi has. What was his old joke for that? He used to give grades, but everyone got A's. They made him change it to pass-fail after he gave an A to a guy who died halfway through the semester.

[johnnie_esq]

I had a Math professor who worked at SJU after St. Olaf, and he had some great comments about the SJU students.  He was astonished at how bad most of the students were at SJU.  He would assign problems that he knew most students would never get correct, but he always noticed that the SJU students gave up almost immediately.  He joked that the reason he could not teach Calculus is due to the fact that it was at too high of a level for the students.  I laughed so hard at hearing his horror stories about getting various students to work at SJU.  As soon as he got the chance to leave he packed his bags immediately.

I also have friends who knew plenty of Johnnies.  They would often testify that SJU was the only school that would take them due to their severe lack of academic ability.

I am not saying that all students at SJU and CSB are horrible students, but having talked with people familiar to the school I think most people would argue that St. Olaf is a better school academically.  I will admit to knowing a few students from SJU that have shown to be amazing students.  I will also argue that SJU is trying to improve its academics.  St. John's partially suffers from a reputation as 'jock school,' and that will hold them back.  There are other schools in the MIAC that suffer from the athletic reputation.

That's an interesting comment.  As a former mathematics major at SJU with two minors and a study abroad experience in China (while doing my senior thesis regarding combinatorics involved in a game of War--the card game-- that may never end), I don't know of any professors that fit your description during or after my time there-- and the department isn't that big.  Perhaps said professor was generally limited to non-major classes?

I went to law school with several Oles, many of whom I think are very intelligent individuals (besides their obvious mistake in school choice-- but they were Lutheran, so their options were limited, I understand).  I also met several Oles that I wondered how they ever survived in college, much less law school.  So I don't think Northfield is immune to your own criticism. 

I know of very good high school students from my own high school that were not admitted to SJU.  I know of several poor high school students that went to St. Olaf.  So perhaps your point isn't as clear as it seems?

I do know that CSB/SJU has almost one quarter more students than St. Olaf, however, so there will be more of everything at CSB/SJU. 

[Mr.Shoes]

...but they were Lutheran, so their options were limited, I understand...

Some of us Lutherans got a solid Catholic education 

[DutchFan2004]

KR,

He is doing well.  I think that is the class that he has been studying for.  Don't get to talk to him as much as I would like as he has a nose in a book all the time.  Hope the next Navy rotation goes well for you. 

[skunks_sidekick]

   This is classic!  Just one more thing we Mounties have in common with the Johnnies.  RIVAL/JEALOUS/IN-STATE SCHOOLS PLAYING THE ACADEMIC CARD!  

Hey Johnnies......Mount's preseason is over so they have a lot of work to do....but don't screw this up!  Mount vs. SJU sometime in these upcoming play-offs (semis..Stagg?).

It's a game that we as Mount fans would love to see.

[DustySJU]

Good thing we cleaned up this Ole (-)Karma and spread the Johnnie Love around...  

[tmerton]

Because I'm an arrogant Johnnie who just can't help tooting his own horn...


The long-promised improvement of JohnnieFootball.com is now online.

Features include:
• Less scrolling, more clicking and reading—the homepage is now 100x easier to use
• There's a usable article archive index so finding things is easier/faster
• You can sign up to receive daily email updates with each day's new articles so you don't miss anything (Click "Contact" > "Subscribe" for now. A big button is coming)
• Articles about each week's game are now logically grouped so there's less digging

Coming this week:
• A search box! (if all goes as planned)
• Contact forms so you can give each of our contributors props (or a piece of your mind) directly
• More content (it is my job to fill in the non-front page sections. Yikes)

But enough blabbing. Go -> JohnnieFootball.com

P.S. If it appears broken upon your first visit, hit refresh.

Lots of great improvements, Mr. Shoes - +k for those.  It really is a great website.

BUT (there's always one, right ) - it still won't print for sh!t

[TheStOlafFootballOles]

Hahha 10-7 over Hot Carleton...haha...cant wait to rush the SJU field with the Ole faithful on Sat....

[Kilted Rat]

   I never stated that we were a better school than Carleton. The rankings prove that they are. As you can see here by the top schools in Minnesota, as rated by The Princeton Review.
http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/regional/regional_results.asp?state=MN&region=MW
   
   I started all of this due to a negative comment about our school. I returned the favor, I did not think this would spiral out of control like this. And while you can say that the statement I made can be a precursor to an alibi after a loss you could also say there is such an uproar because of some truth in it.
   

Quoting the Princeton Review as proof of one school's superiority over another is as accurate as quoting Don Hansen on D3 football. The guy regularly has players who graduated on his preseason all-american team (which had over 200 players last time I looked at it.  and winless teams in his top 25.

There is no accurate, reproducible way to compare schools as similar as St. John's and St. Olaf in terms of the quality of the education received. They're both good schools as are all of the schools in the MIAC. Each school in the MIAC has strengths academically and weaknesses, so comparing any one area doesn't work.

Here are some possible measures you could use and the problem with them:

Incoming ACT/SAT/GPA: this tells you about the students coming in, it tells you nothing of the finished product. You can make arguments about what school is more competitive to get in to, however nothing about the final product can be divulged from these stats.

College GPA: As you stated, some schools and some departments at some schools pump up GPA's. I know for instance that it is a lot easier to earn an A in a management class at SJU than in Organic Chemistry. I wanted to go to med school, so I took O-chem. I would be shocked if you even considered making the claim that there isn't such a discrepancy between departments at St. Olaf.

MCAT/LSAT/GRE scores: only measures students going on to get graduate degrees immediately following graduation. Additionally the difficulty of the classes leading up  to these tests (i.e. O-chem) determines what percentage actually make it through to take the test.

Average income of graduates: This one has more flaws than a Rosie O'Donnel and Jack Nicholson love scene. Many people are still in school, work less to have kids, do volunteer work, inherit high paying jobs, etc. The list could go on and on.

# of CEO's of companies: If this was the only measure, Wisconsin would be the best school in the country (more Fortune 500 CEO's than any other school). Also, I can start a lemonade stand and name myself CEO.

Come up with any concrete way of comparing schools and I'll point out the flaws in it. There is no good way. This is why many schools are refusing to take part in rankings such as the Princeton reviews. A couple thousand $ and "adjusting" a few answers on the self-reporting survey as well as getting 4 "good" students "randomly" selected to answer questions about the school can put any school in the top 25.  Do you honestly believe you can learn all you need to know about a school based on a self-reporting survey and a survey filled out by a small handful of students?

   And another thing KiltedRat. Say I were a Computer Gaming Sales Rep at Best Buy (which I'm not by the way, I'm still a student) would that make you a better person than me since you are a doctor? Or you Johnnie_esq, since you are a lawyer? Maybe you should think before you bash other people's professions just because they may not be as 'socially outstanding' as your own. I may have made a comment that was outlandish, yes, but I certainly did not belittle someone else's livelihood.

I said nothing of a person's job determining whether or not they are a good person. You made that inference entirely on your own.

[tmerton]

Re colleges, FWIW, US News rates Carleton (5), Mac (21), Olaf (54) and SJU (75) in the top tier of liberal arts colleges.  Both Olaf and SJU are listed as "more selective" in their admissions, and a comparison between Olaf and SJU shows academic numbers that come out about the same.  There doesn't seem to be a lot of ammunition there to brag on the Oles over SJU.

[tmerton]

Fins is gettin' awful close to seeing whether Pat's karma machine will do four digits - or whether exceeding 999 just makes you start all over again.

[TheStOlafFootballOles]

shorter link/pc

Average ACT scores for incoming freshman at both schools for those who care...St.olaf is soooo much smarter....too bad I was probably responsible for bringing that average down.