FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[oldbethel27]

+k for that one.  I almost fell out of my chair laughing at that suggestion.

In other news, we finally know what a Johnnie is:

Self-deprecation is so fun!!

[Mr.Shoes]

A Young Touchdown T

I watched that this morning. Fantastic.

[Redtooth]

I think MUC would beat the Dolphins this year.   

I think a team made up of Post Pattern posters could beat the Dolphins this year!

With Bennie at QB I know the MIAC would win 

nah...I throw like a girl!

As a former coach I vote for having Bennie play either Tight End or Wide Receiver 

[skunks_sidekick]

I posted this info on the OAC board, but just in case.....

"Official" Pregame Night Before Tailgate Party

Brenda's Place

On State Street near the campus in Alliance.  The time is from 8:30 to whenever.......

Bethel fans are welcome.......

Developing.......   

[DutchFan2004]

I think MUC would beat the Dolphins this year.   

I think a team made up of Post Pattern posters could beat the Dolphins this year!

With Bennie at QB I know the MIAC would win 

nah...I throw like a girl!

As a former coach I vote for having Bennie play either Tight End or Wide Receiver 

Does she have the hands and speed for the position since you have the talent to spot and evaluate players?

[bennie]

I think MUC would beat the Dolphins this year.   

I think a team made up of Post Pattern posters could beat the Dolphins this year!

With Bennie at QB I know the MIAC would win 

nah...I throw like a girl!

As a former coach I vote for having Bennie play either Tight End or Wide Receiver 

Does she have the hands and speed for the position since you have the talent to spot and evaluate players?

There is a reason he is a "former" coach!

[Redtooth]

Very good response Bennie 8) 8)

[tmerton]

Be honest--how many of us would have gone to SJU if it (1.) were entirely single-sex, (2.) required school 6 days a week, and (3.) required attendance at all prayer times?

Uh, well - I picked a school that had all three (though #3 was gone after my freshman year).  And my alma mater is still fighting that nasty secularization thingie (even if they don't know their NT Greek) - see! 

tmerton;  Now I understand why you love the great Minnesota weather!   

Yup.  Nothing sucks like the weather in the Bend.

[Redtooth]

Be honest--how many of us would have gone to SJU if it (1.) were entirely single-sex, (2.) required school 6 days a week, and (3.) required attendance at all prayer times?

Uh, well - I picked a school that had all three (though #3 was gone after my freshman year).  And my alma mater is still fighting that nasty secularization thingie (even if they don't know their NT Greek) - see! 

tmerton;  Now I understand why you love the great Minnesota weather!   

Yup.  Nothing sucks like the weather in the Bend.

Except their team this year!!!

[HScoach]

The "that kid should be playing at a higher level" discussion comes up every year, and the same thing gets missed every year.  What was their size & speed as a senior in high school?  Were they healthy in HS?  Did they play at a HS that could showcase their physical abilities?  Did they play at for a coach in HS that knew (or cared) enough to properly promote his atheletes for a scholarship?

Yes, some D3 athletes turn out to be a player capable of competing at D1.  But were they that coming out of high school?

Here's 3 examples that I'm very familiar with at Mount Union:

Bill Borchert was easily the best QB ever at Mount Union.  4 year starter, Gagliardi Award winner, threw for 63 TD's as a senior versus 1 INT.  He easily could have played at a higher level.  However, he played his high school ball on a historically poor team who ran the option.  He attempted a grand total of 17 passes as a HS senior.  Now which D1 college is going to give a scholarship to a high school QB from a crappy team that they have no film on him actually throwing the ball?

Chuck Moore is the best TB in Mount Union history (or at last until Kmic officially takes that).  Moore was an All-Ohio player who had D1 offers from the smaller Mid-American Conference schools (Akron, Kent State, etc) and led his team to the state title in the smallest of high school division in Ohio (Div. 6).  However he blew out his ACL in the HS playoffs as a senior and the D1 schools withdrew their scholarship offers.  Now, he was a great HS player, but had done so at the smallest of high schools and the big question on him was whether he could really do it against decent competition.  And once the injury happened, the colleges obviously didn't think he was enough of a risk to waste a scholarship on him.

Nate Kmic is an absolute stud TB at Mount and he put up huge numbers in high school.  And many people wonder why the lesser D1 colleges in Ohio (Bowling Green, Akron, Kent, etc) didn't offer this kid a scholarship.  However he played for a very small HS just like Moore did, but he didn't have Chuck's size and speed to compensate.  Chuck Moore was 6'-1", 210 lbs.  Nate Kmic is 5'-9", 190.  Big difference.  If you're only 5'9", you better be faster than greased lightning to get a scholarship offer.  Unfortunately for Nate, he's got great vision, balance, toughness, but he isn't blessed with great speed, at least not in the D1 sense.  



Many folks thought each of these guys could have easily been playing at a higher level by the time they were done at Mount, but each had certain circumstances that made that impossible coming out of high school.



And that's not even taking into account the kids that blossom late in their college careers and turn into a stud versus the marginal talent they were coming out of high school.

[OzJohnnie]

Be honest--how many of us would have gone to SJU if it (1.) were entirely single-sex, (2.) required school 6 days a week, and (3.) required attendance at all prayer times?

In this question does it still have great school spirit and a great football team?

[OzJohnnie]

It is not just private schools that need to chase the almight dollar.  State colleges are in the same boat now.  In NJ the schools are either hiring or have hired VP's whose sole focus is on external fundraising.  There have been too many budget cuts taking money from the state colleges that they either have to do this or start raising tuitions to even more rediculus levels.  It is a sad state of affairs when state schools start being out of reach to the middle class.

I would argue that no school is out of reach of the middle class.  SJU was expensive, but I did just fine - plenty of aid.

More Americans in raw numbers as well as a higher percentage of Americans attend four year universities than ever.  Either the middle class has raised itself beyond middle or the argument that the middle class can't afford modern universities is more rhetoric than reality.

[DuffMan]

Chuck Moore was 6'1" 210?  My memory must be getting foggy.  I thought he was more Kmic's size.  He was without a doubt the best running back I ever played against, though.  And he seemed like a nice guy, too (of course, he was monkey-stomping us at that point  ).

[bennie]

It is not just private schools that need to chase the almight dollar.  State colleges are in the same boat now.  In NJ the schools are either hiring or have hired VP's whose sole focus is on external fundraising.  There have been too many budget cuts taking money from the state colleges that they either have to do this or start raising tuitions to even more rediculus levels.  It is a sad state of affairs when state schools start being out of reach to the middle class.

I would argue that no school is out of reach of the middle class.  SJU was expensive, but I did just fine - plenty of aid.

More Americans in raw numbers as well as a higher percentage of Americans attend four year universities than ever.  Either the middle class has raised itself beyond middle or the argument that the middle class can't afford modern universities is more rhetoric than reality.

There is often a difference between reality and perception but both can give you the same end result.   8)

[OzJohnnie]

It is not just private schools that need to chase the almight dollar.  State colleges are in the same boat now.  In NJ the schools are either hiring or have hired VP's whose sole focus is on external fundraising.  There have been too many budget cuts taking money from the state colleges that they either have to do this or start raising tuitions to even more rediculus levels.  It is a sad state of affairs when state schools start being out of reach to the middle class.

Remember that next time you vote! I won't bore you with my take on college costs, financial aid and access. Unfortunately it does seem that we are taking a step back to pre 1965 (Higher Education Act) when college was only a possibility for the rich (or those willing/able to borrow in large amounts).

My last post on this.  College prices are a function of the market, not government policy.  Prices rise to suit demand on a curve representing return (rising then diminishing).  If the government subsidizes tuition then they merely shift the curve to the right, not flatten it.  Prices will inevitably rise to the point of the curve representing peak return, and rise faster than CPI since they are artificially (due to government subsidies in the form of tuition assistance) far down the curve and more distant from the peak - just what we see year after year.  Incidentally, this leads to artificially high prices over time since the government is artificially inflating the market's tolerance for high prices.

I'm not making any argument about the validity or not of gov't tuition assistance, just merely pointing out that any policy like this that the government makes is necessarily temporary in benefit.  Market behavior is beyond the ability of any gov't to control, just ask the Soviets.  Best the gov't can hope for is short term benefit and hope no one notices the real reason for the long term extraordinary inflation of prices as a counter-balance to the short term return.