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[57Johnnie]

does that mean this could be gags last season at the helm of St. John's Football? 

I hadn't heard he was even sick. 

[57Johnnie]

Great article. I'm glad the Writer's Strike is over at JohnnieFootball. +k for ending my withdrawal symtoms. 

We held out for more Hamms.

I heard it was an extra 30 pack/column
Zima for TDT

[KitchenSink]

I know this will be a little off topic, but if the Twins trade off Santana does that mean this could be gags last season at the helm of St. John's Football? 

Are you saying they are one in the same person???

(That'd be an amazing trick)  8)

[Freebird]

Well so far on my 5 week trip to Hawaii working for the Golf Channel I have met a Tommie and 2 Johnnies.  Interesting how the Tommie was the one buying everyone drinks  It has actually been a lot of fun finding so many MIAC connections.

[DustySJU]

Johnnie Esq. has an excellent article at www.JohnnieFootball.com

With my winter hibernation in full swing has anyone heard if the UWW assistant is the new head man at UST?

Developing....

[tmerton]

With my winter hibernation in full swing ...

Is TDT in there with you?  8)

[Kilted Rat]

Well so far on my 5 week trip to Hawaii working for the Golf Channel I have met a Tommie and 2 Johnnies.  Interesting how the Tommie was the one buying everyone drinks  It has actually been a lot of fun finding so many MIAC connections.

The Tommie was probably hoping to get you drunk and take advantage of you

[DustySJU]

With my winter hibernation in full swing ...

Is TDT in there with you?  8)

TDT escaped following the destruction in Pella.... I will however be "tracking" him in mid-March to scout the Grape Fruit League.

[tmerton]

Well so far on my 5 week trip to Hawaii working for the Golf Channel I have met a Tommie and 2 Johnnies.  Interesting how the Tommie was the one buying everyone drinks  It has actually been a lot of fun finding so many MIAC connections.

The Tommie was probably hoping to get you drunk and take advantage of you

An advertisement for AA?

[retagent]

There was a little blurb in ESPN The magazine speculating that since Liriano was coming back, the Twins would be more likely to try and keep Santana, giving them a great 1 - 2 starting punch. I'm not sure I understand the logic, and they did not expand. Does anyone else get it?

[DutchFan2004]

With my winter hibernation in full swing ...

Is TDT in there with you?  8)

TDT escaped following the destruction in Pella.... I will however be "tracking" him in mid-March to scout the Grape Fruit League.

Did that cause TDT to destruct?  I have noticed he has not been on very much.  You guys were all great after the game.  I know you guys have said it before that you guys get to talking smack pre game but I will say that there are no more gracious losers than the Johnnies.  I mean that!  The Johnnie faithful Drink that Hamms from those Red glasses and talk smack to all their opponents but when all is said and done they tell it like it is if they do not win.  I wish I had 2 or 3 more boys playing so that I could watch them play the Johnnies more.  I do think though one Saturday this coming fall that I will venture and catch a game in Collegeville.  I will have more time to travel and watch other games now that I don't have a kid playing.  I will be at many Dutch games still.  Where else can you take the whole family for less than $100 and have a great time.  I know that the Cyclones and Hawks you can only get two tickets for $100 so I am a D3 fan for life now. 

[kubiack78]

Johnnie Esq. has an excellent article at www.JohnnieFootball.com

just a couple of things I thought I could add:

Both divisions of the NAIA do allow athletic scholarships, the only difference in scholarship limits between the divisions is with Basketball where D-1 gets 11 and D-2 6.

The UMAC was a non-scholarship NAIA conference--probably one of the main reasons for the switch.

Northwestern fields 18 teams, putting it in the upper portion of D-3 schools as far as sports sponsored.

They've almost ruined high school sports with multiple divisions and now they're going to do the same to college.    Everyone cannot win, everybody loves the underdog and politically correct bozos are ruining sports.

- Yes, both NAIA divisions allow scholarships, but as you point out, not every NAIA school uses them.

- I didn't assert that NWC was in the group with fewer sports sponsored.  They are certainly in the group of recent NAIA converts.  There is no voting record, so it is impossible to know whether they would be in favor of less or more restrictions on athletics.  In essence, that seems to be the big dividing line-- who likes redshirts/spring practices versus who does not.

- This isn't the same as high school sports here.  Unlike with high school athletics, whose classifications are based mainly on school size, the current NCAA is proposing a split based upon emphasis on athletics.  I said on the general board that you can think of it this way: D-III would be like SJU, who pours a lot of money into its athletic program and relies heavily upon it for marketing to prospective students and earning donations from alumni; and D-IV would be like Macalester, who uses athletics for student development first and marketing purposes second.  It's not about allowing everyone a trophy-- it is about leveling a playing field in a division where two distinct groups seem to want two different playing fields.

If I were a betting person, my guess is that the MIAC would choose the D-IV route rather than put themselves back against the redshirting like they used to.  Unfortunately, that would likely not mean the end to the excessive OTA advertisements at Johnnie football games.   

it would seem that the MIAC would be a lock for the D-IV. By contrast, schools like Northwestern (Roseville) and Crown College would appear to remain D-III, as they sponsor fewer sports.

Crown and presentation=fewer sports--Northwestern-8 more than is required by D-3. 

As far as I know, Northwestern does not have a history of redshirting anyone back in the NAIA days.  I can say that was not one of the changes when NWC began the transition process.

It's a shame schools in the MIAC would vote to go to another division and potentially split up the MIAC.  Schools like Macalester might struggle in football in recent years, but they are successul in many other sports and have the potential to restore their football program as well. 

I hope they conduct some sort of study about the competitive advantage of redshirting and spring practice----I seriously doubt either result in more wins.   Maybe a team can load up for one good year with redshirting, but as long as players are only allowed 4 years of eligibility you're going to be playing on a level playing field.     

Why don't they just drop football like UW- Superior did back in the early 90's they just got tired of getting creamed year after year.  Then the MIAC teams can go hunting for 1-2 exta games a year just like the WIAC.

[DuffMan]

Why don't they just drop football like UW- Superior did back in the early 90's they just got tired of getting creamed year after year.  Then the MIAC teams can go hunting for 1-2 exta games a year just like the WIAC.

They pretty much did.  Mac only plays a few of the traditionally weaker MIAC teams.  They haven't played SJU since 2002.

[TC]

With my winter hibernation in full swing ...

Is TDT in there with you?  8)

TDT escaped following the destruction in Pella.... I will however be "tracking" him in mid-March to scout the Grape Fruit League.

Did that cause TDT to destruct?  I have noticed he has not been on very much.  You guys were all great after the game.  I know you guys have said it before that you guys get to talking smack pre game but I will say that there are no more gracious losers than the Johnnies.  I mean that!  The Johnnie faithful Drink that Hamms from those Red glasses and talk smack to all their opponents but when all is said and done they tell it like it is if they do not win.  I wish I had 2 or 3 more boys playing so that I could watch them play the Johnnies more.  I do think though one Saturday this coming fall that I will venture and catch a game in Collegeville.  I will have more time to travel and watch other games now that I don't have a kid playing.  I will be at many Dutch games still.  Where else can you take the whole family for less than $100 and have a great time.  I know that the Cyclones and Hawks you can only get two tickets for $100 so I am a D3 fan for life now. 

Yeah, it's amazing how well we handle losing with so little opportunity for practice.

As you plan your 2008 itinerary, September 27th looks like your best bet to catch Collegeville at its finest.  The Johnnies host Gustavus for homecoming (the Dutch will be headed to Albion, MI that weekend).  I'd also suggest September 20th, as the Johnnie/Concordia game is always a good one, but the Dutch host Wartburg for homecoming that weekend.  I imagine that'll be a pretty big deal in Pella.  Make sure you bring a pile of Dutch letters when you come.

[finsleft]

With my winter hibernation in full swing ...

Is TDT in there with you?  8)

TDT escaped following the destruction in Pella.... I will however be "tracking" him in mid-March to scout the Grape Fruit League.

Did that cause TDT to destruct?  I have noticed he has not been on very much.  You guys were all great after the game.  I know you guys have said it before that you guys get to talking smack pre game but I will say that there are no more gracious losers than the Johnnies.  I mean that!  The Johnnie faithful Drink that Hamms from those Red glasses and talk smack to all their opponents but when all is said and done they tell it like it is if they do not win.  I wish I had 2 or 3 more boys playing so that I could watch them play the Johnnies more.  I do think though one Saturday this coming fall that I will venture and catch a game in Collegeville.  I will have more time to travel and watch other games now that I don't have a kid playing.  I will be at many Dutch games still.  Where else can you take the whole family for less than $100 and have a great time.  I know that the Cyclones and Hawks you can only get two tickets for $100 so I am a D3 fan for life now. 

Thanks DF04! Not sure how I feel about being called a gracious loser though.  
By all means, plan a trip to Collegeville. That way, you'll have a good chance to see 2 Johnnie victories in '08.