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[OzJohnnie]

I wish to apologize to Oz (and all others) for the 'King George', etc., reference.

No worries, Ypsi.

Let me pose my final question on this.  Assume you get the gov't run health care you want and another "King George" is elected (selected, whatever).  It seems to me that he, being inherently evil with a desire to maximize both profit and pain, could do the same thing to the health care system that you believe Bush did to a previously competent FEMA and with obviously far more devastating consequences.

I believe gov't approaches incompetence in nearly every endeavor and we should therefore minimize the number of things we let them get their hands on in order to minimize the damage.  You, in contrast, seem to believe that gov't is generally competent (more so than insurance CEO's specifically) and only does bad things when malicious people intentionally do harm.  So, how to prevent the election of malicious people and the harm they could do with a socialized medical system?

[snoop dawg]

LA TIMES headline..........$7,000,000,000.00  yes billion, for prison health care.  Wow.

[Klopenhiemer]

And to think we have not even started talking about public education yet

[OleFan]

Speaking of health care, hopefully for this guy's sake America is one of the leaders in groin care. Hockey player in playoffs gets drilled by a puck, and might even lose a testicle.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=398725

A buddy of mine my freshman year at SJU was playing goalie for the LAX team. Against recommendations by his coaches and teammates, he decided against wearing a cup.

Well, it caught up to my buddy when he took a ball directly to the... ummm... ball. He had to get it surgically removed.


The night we all found out about this, we were drinking a few beers and after a shot or two, another buddy, we'll call him "Dick" fessed up to the following:

When Dick was a senior in high school, he was at a party and got to drinking with some friends. His "friend" says "Hey, Dick, let me hit you in the nuts with this golf club."
Dick replied, "No way."
The buddy countered with "I'll give you $20." Which was apparently all the convincing Dick needed.
Initially Dick doubled over and was down for a bit, but he got back up and resumed drinking to deal with the pain. The next day, Dick's boys were "swollen to the size of grapefruits."
Dick was too embarrassed to go to a hospital and opted instead to wear sweatpants since jeans were no longer an option. 2 days later the pain and "Rugby ball sized scrotum" made Dick go to the hospital where he was taken to surgery and had 1 and 1/4 testicles removed. 

I was actually at the tournament where that happened with the SJU lacrosse team.  If memory serves me correctly the story was shared on one of the Twin Cities radio stations.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I wish to apologize to Oz (and all others) for the 'King George', etc., reference.

No worries, Ypsi.

Let me pose my final question on this.  Assume you get the gov't run health care you want and another "King George" is elected (selected, whatever).  It seems to me that he, being inherently evil with a desire to maximize both profit and pain, could do the same thing to the health care system that you believe Bush did to a previously competent FEMA and with obviously far more devastating consequences.

I believe gov't approaches incompetence in nearly every endeavor and we should therefore minimize the number of things we let them get their hands on in order to minimize the damage.  You, in contrast, seem to believe that gov't is generally competent (more so than insurance CEO's specifically) and only does bad things when malicious people intentionally do harm.  So, how to prevent the election of malicious people and the harm they could do with a socialized medical system?

No, I do not believe the government is generally competent (the greatest proximate cause of the destruction of New Orleans was the Corps of Engineers; W's FEMA just kept from any humane response to the destruction!).  Insurance company CEOs are certainly more competent to run a business than is the government; but their profit margin is predicated on denying (so far as reasonably possible) the services that their customers paid for.  For health care decisions, that is NOT the 'business model' I would prefer!

I am not advocating government RUN medicine.  As long as there is a safety net for those who cannot afford HSAs, and a backup provision for catastrophes where savings cannot possibly be adequate (or come too early - e.g., my first son's emergency C-section birth - for savings to be adequate), HSAs may be the way to go.  There HAS to be a way that a single-payer system could be constructed which is better than (and cheaper than) the current system, given the hundreds of billions of dollars in 'health care' costs (insurance company profits and medical care provider employees who do nothing but process claims) which have nothing to do with providing health care.

[And for the record, I do not impugn the motives of George W Bush.  I do think he is the most incompetent President since at least Jimmy Carter, and with the most corrupt administration since at least Richard Nixon.  Add in that he seems to have more regard for 'democracy' in Iraq than America (ranging from John Yoo's pro-torture memo - a President can do anything he wants in wartime - to Dick Cheney's "So?" when asked his response to 70% of Americans opposing the Iraq War), I rate him neck-and-neck with James Buchanan for the worst President we've ever had.  I think he is awful, and has done tremendous damage to America, but I do NOT think he is evil.]

[Mr. Ypsi]

And to think we have not even started talking about public education yet

Are you SURE you want to open that can of worms?!

[Klopenhiemer]

And to think we have not even started talking about public education yet

Are you SURE you want to open that can of worms?!

I would love to open this can of worms, the question is, does anyone else?

[Pat Coleman]

I have a real urge to weigh in, in response to some of the recent posts, but don't want to aggravate anyone on this glorious Master's Weekend (my favorite weekend of the year).

However, I do have one question related to the purpose and value of this message board.  Does it only exist for the purpose of talking about D3 sports?  Or, does it create a virtual community made up of people who love D3 sports, where they can come together, get to know each other and talk about a wide range of subjects?

The above poll asks this same question?  Sort of?

Actually -- one of the purposes of the recent change in this message board was to enable us creating an "Anything Goes" section where these sorts of things could be discussed away from a conference context. While I'm not necessarily interested in reading politics or health care on the MIAC football board, others are certainly interested in talking about them in some context and why should we send people away to do that?

At that point we are going to rein in the off-topic discussions here and elsewhere, even in the offseason. I've actually gotten complaints about this board not being anywhere near on-topic, but so far have held onto them because I haven't provided you guys with the alternative I'd like.

[Kilted Rat]

LA TIMES headline..........$7,000,000,000.00  yes billion, for prison health care.  Wow.

Goes well with the story that 1 in 100 adults are in prison and 1 in 9 black males 19-30

I have a real urge to weigh in, in response to some of the recent posts, but don't want to aggravate anyone on this glorious Master's Weekend (my favorite weekend of the year).

However, I do have one question related to the purpose and value of this message board.  Does it only exist for the purpose of talking about D3 sports?  Or, does it create a virtual community made up of people who love D3 sports, where they can come together, get to know each other and talk about a wide range of subjects?

The above poll asks this same question?  Sort of?

Actually -- one of the purposes of the recent change in this message board was to enable us creating an "Anything Goes" section where these sorts of things could be discussed away from a conference context. While I'm not necessarily interested in reading politics or health care on the MIAC football board, others are certainly interested in talking about them in some context and why should we send people away to do that?

At that point we are going to rein in the off-topic discussions here and elsewhere, even in the offseason. I've actually gotten complaints about this board not being anywhere near on-topic, but so far have held onto them because I haven't provided you guys with the alternative I'd like.

If people are so upset with the board going off topic, I invite them to get a user name and re-direct/re-focus the conversation.

B*tching about the topics on here and not doing anything about it is a lot like not voting and whining about the government. If you don't like something, make an effort to change it, don't sit back and b*tch.

Also, if you don't like the content, no one is forcing you to read it and additionally it's not like anyone is paying to subscribe to it.

So bottom line is if you don't like it change it or don't read it. It's not like you've bought a magazine and paid for the entertainment.

[retagent]

I'm done after this.

Ypsi, I intentionally did the Al Gore internet etc, because until you and yours stop with the inaccuracies regarding, "Bush lied...." "Mission Accomplished...." "So....." and the unending list of either outright falsehoods, or out of context  statements, I feel I'm entitled to repaeat falsehoods that are meant in a jesting manner to show some of the idiocy of the other side of the political spectrum. So convince all on your side to stop being less than honest, and I will do so.

[Pat Coleman]

If people are so upset with the board going off topic, I invite them to get a user name and re-direct/re-focus the conversation.

That's what I tell them.

However, they are right, you know.

[Klopenhiemer]

I have a real urge to weigh in, in response to some of the recent posts, but don't want to aggravate anyone on this glorious Master's Weekend (my favorite weekend of the year).

However, I do have one question related to the purpose and value of this message board.  Does it only exist for the purpose of talking about D3 sports?  Or, does it create a virtual community made up of people who love D3 sports, where they can come together, get to know each other and talk about a wide range of subjects?

The above poll asks this same question?  Sort of?

Actually -- one of the purposes of the recent change in this message board was to enable us creating an "Anything Goes" section where these sorts of things could be discussed away from a conference context. While I'm not necessarily interested in reading politics or health care on the MIAC football board, others are certainly interested in talking about them in some context and why should we send people away to do that?

At that point we are going to rein in the off-topic discussions here and elsewhere, even in the offseason. I've actually gotten complaints about this board not being anywhere near on-topic, but so far have held onto them because I haven't provided you guys with the alternative I'd like.

What are we going to talk about in the offseason.  By Christmas the playoffs were over and we had beaten the dead on horse on who beat who and why. 

Since d3 has no formal signing day such as the upper levels and they have no formal spring practice what are we to talk about.  If d3 kids singed then we could spend a few months hashing over stealing kids away from other scholorship programs and who is going to make an impact in the spring drills. 

It has been stated on here before and showed up here very recently with ROR went through a proceedure, I am talking about family.  It was stated on here that this is family and everyone extended the best wishes.  Familes talk about a lot of differnt topics in and out of season. 

You can only make so many top 10 lists in regards who was the best guard in the MIAC over the last 20 years before you get bored and wander into other topics. 

Sorry if I am a horses rear, but I get tired of people complaining about public forum that they do not have to belong to and or read. 

BTW +k KR nice post. 

[pg04]

This isn't the only board that diverges way off topic. 

I think the atmosphere that exists in the United States this year (and with it being an election year), it's almost impossible for someone not to go into politics and the state of affairs in the country... even if it annoys some (Including myself at times). 

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm done after this.

Ypsi, I intentionally did the Al Gore internet etc, because until you and yours stop with the inaccuracies regarding, "Bush lied...." "Mission Accomplished...." "So....." and the unending list of either outright falsehoods, or out of context  statements, I feel I'm entitled to repaeat falsehoods that are meant in a jesting manner to show some of the idiocy of the other side of the political spectrum. So convince all on your side to stop being less than honest, and I will do so.

Noted.  Alas I don't have the power to control the utterances of those 'on my side' (who often are not! ).

I'm having trouble responding to your examples.  I just googled "Bush lied" and got a response of "about 592,000" hits - try it!   If by "Mission Accomplished" you mean the worst photo op since Dukakis in a tank, I think John Kerry probably deserved to lose solely for NOT replaying that fiasco (done just before all hell broke loose in Iraq).  As for "So.....", there was no ellipsis - Dick Cheney's entire reply to the question about 70% of Americans opposing the war in Iraq was "So?"

I'll take responsibility for my statements (including sometimes apologizing for the ill-tempered or ill-considered ones), but not for those "on my side" - you'd be surprised how unpredictable 'my side' can be!

[OleFan]

And to think we have not even started talking about public education yet

Are you SURE you want to open that can of worms?!

I would love to open this can of worms, the question is, does anyone else?

I will begin:
The biggest problem is people trying to reform education that do not know anything about education.  Of course part of the problem is that any vote against education is a vote against kids.  NCLB has been a failure.  It was worth a try, but now we want to try to fix the law.  Any vote against reform is a vote against children according to most voters.  I would also like to point out that charter schools are hurting public schools.  They take money away from public schools, and then fail regularly.  They might as well be for profit schools.  Standardized testing is also a problem since it tends to be biased towards certain groups.  Most schools of education are teaching philosophies that do not work in the public schools.  My biggest problem is that we are over reforming schools instead of giving the power back to local districts.  If you want to fix public education start letting the local school boards determine what students should learn.