FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[VOJ]

Welllll....here goes.



If I were St. Thomas I would bring 7 or 8 up to stop the run, force the pass rush and make Boyle beat me.
I'd focus my coverage on Overman because he's about the only receiver that Boyle looks to throw to.
Either the SJU receivers have difficulty getting open or Boyle has a hard time finding and deciding who he wants to throw to.... or it's a combination of the two issues.  Truth is that he holds the ball too damn long.

Many quarterbacks try to give their receiver that extra second to get open trying to get something done down the field but your observation about Overman is not totally correct...according to the receiving stats

Josh Overman     4   17  240  14.1   3   39  60.0
Sam Pederson     4   10  178  17.8   0   58  44.5
Nick Schneider   4     10  166  16.6   2   31  41.5
Jakob Reding     4       9   96  10.7   0   39  24.0
Stephen Johnson  4    8   81  10.1   0   19  20.2



Enjoy the game everyone

[faunch]

Welllll....here goes.



If I were St. Thomas I would bring 7 or 8 up to stop the run, force the pass rush and make Boyle beat me.
I'd focus my coverage on Overman because he's about the only receiver that Boyle looks to throw to.
Either the SJU receivers have difficulty getting open or Boyle has a hard time finding and deciding who he wants to throw to.... or it's a combination of the two issues.  Truth is that he holds the ball too damn long.

Many quarterbacks try to give their receiver that extra second to get open trying to get something done down the field but your observation about Overman is not totally correct...according to the receiving stats

Josh Overman     4   17  240  14.1   3   39  60.0
Sam Pederson     4   10  178  17.8   0   58  44.5
Nick Schneider   4     10  166  16.6   2   31  41.5
Jakob Reding     4       9   96  10.7   0   39  24.0
Stephen Johnson  4    8   81  10.1   0   19  20.2



Enjoy the game everyone

I do see your point however 3 of the guys listed are running backs.  Other than some screens and shovel passes (actually there have been a few seem routs to the running backs) I have not seen any other wide-outs posing a serious threat to defenses. 
The screens and shovels could be very effective against the Toms if their defense is overly aggressive. 

[tommiegun]

Very nice analysis faunch, and even better recruiting pitch.  If I was a high school football player and got to go to this game, it'd be hard to pass up the atmosphere.

[WithasilentK]

Welllll....here goes.



If I were St. Thomas I would bring 7 or 8 up to stop the run, force the pass rush and make Boyle beat me.
I'd focus my coverage on Overman because he's about the only receiver that Boyle looks to throw to.
Either the SJU receivers have difficulty getting open or Boyle has a hard time finding and deciding who he wants to throw to.... or it's a combination of the two issues.  Truth is that he holds the ball too damn long.

Many quarterbacks try to give their receiver that extra second to get open trying to get something done down the field but your observation about Overman is not totally correct...according to the receiving stats

Josh Overman     4   17  240  14.1   3   39  60.0
Sam Pederson     4   10  178  17.8   0   58  44.5
Nick Schneider   4     10  166  16.6   2   31  41.5
Jakob Reding     4       9   96  10.7   0   39  24.0
Stephen Johnson  4    8   81  10.1   0   19  20.2



Enjoy the game everyone

I do see your point however 3 of the guys listed are running backs.  Other than some screens and shovel passes (actually there have been a few seem routs to the running backs) I have not seen any other wide-outs posing a serious threat to defenses. 
The screens and shovels could be very effective against the Toms if their defense is overly aggressive. 

Agreed. I am a firm believer that QBs and WRs need to work together in the summer to make a big impact in the season. This gets rid of holding the ball extra long because the QB doesn't have a good idea of what the WR is going to do. I just think without it, the passing game suffers immensely.

[VOJ]

Welllll....here goes.



If I were St. Thomas I would bring 7 or 8 up to stop the run, force the pass rush and make Boyle beat me.
I'd focus my coverage on Overman because he's about the only receiver that Boyle looks to throw to.
Either the SJU receivers have difficulty getting open or Boyle has a hard time finding and deciding who he wants to throw to.... or it's a combination of the two issues.  Truth is that he holds the ball too damn long.

Many quarterbacks try to give their receiver that extra second to get open trying to get something done down the field but your observation about Overman is not totally correct...according to the receiving stats

Josh Overman     4   17  240  14.1   3   39  60.0
Sam Pederson     4   10  178  17.8   0   58  44.5
Nick Schneider   4     10  166  16.6   2   31  41.5
Jakob Reding     4       9   96  10.7   0   39  24.0
Stephen Johnson  4    8   81  10.1   0   19  20.2



Enjoy the game everyone

I do see your point however 3 of the guys listed are running backs.  Other than some screens and shovel passes (actually there have been a few seem routs to the running backs) I have not seen any other wide-outs posing a serious threat to defenses. 
The screens and shovels could be very effective against the Toms if their defense is overly aggressive. 

Does it really matter what they are listed as on the roster?  If SJU decides to split out John Stanton and throw him the ball does it count as a pass to a LB instead of a WR or RB?

If you want to talk about zeroing in on a WR, the Tommies focus their whole passing game, if not their whole offense,  on Waldvgel...that I will buy. 

[USTBench]

Granted a lot of UST's offense is predicated on getting Waldvogel the ball but out of the 69 completed through 4 games, 27 have been to Waldvogel. 10 other guys have receptions, and Ricky Margarit is averaging 20 yards a reception, so there's some others with big play capability. It's kind of like when SJU had Blake Elliot - find a way to get a ball any way possible because he's just that good.

(Before you all tweak out, I'm not saying Fritz is as good as Johnnie Jesus, just saying he's our versatile go to guy.)

The nice thing is we have a great running game with Wartman and Tobin. I'm guessing Caruso is keeping Wartman's status close to the vest, but if I were to bet, he'll play and get at least 15 touches.

[bennie]

DRUNKEN TALK
 
Things that are difficult to say when you're drunk...
 
a) Innovative
b) Preliminary
c) Proliferation
d) Cinnamon
e) Specific
 
Things that are VERY difficult to say when you're drunk...
 
a) Specificity
b) British Constitution
c) Passive-aggressive disorder
d) Transubstantiate
 
Things that are ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to say when you're drunk...
 
a) Thanks, but I don't want to sleep with you.
b) Nope, no more booze for me.
c) Sorry, but you're not really my type.
d) No kebab for me, thank you.
e) Good evening officer, isn't it lovely out tonight?
f) I'm not interested in fighting you.
g) Oh, I just couldn't - no one wants to hear me sing.
h) Thank you, but I won't make any attempt to dance, I have no
co-ordination. I'd hate to look like a fool.
i) Where is the nearest toilet? I refuse to vomit in the street.
j) I must be going home now as I have work in the morning.

[DustySJU]

Granted a lot of UST's offense is predicated on getting Waldvogel the ball but out of the 69 completed through 4 games, 27 have been to Waldvogel. 10 other guys have receptions, and Ricky Margarit is averaging 20 yards a reception, so there's some others with big play capability. It's kind of like when SJU had Blake Elliot - find a way to get a ball any way possible because he's just that good.

(Before you all tweak out, I'm not saying Fritz is as good as Johnnie Jesus, just saying he's our versatile go to guy.)

The nice thing is we have a great running game with Wartman and Tobin. I'm guessing Caruso is keeping Wartman's status close to the vest, but if I were to bet, he'll play and get at least 15 touches.

I understand the rules governing double posts however in this case I must add immediately that anyone using the word "predicated" should immediately be dismissed.

[DustySJU]

Classic Johnnie Photo - See it now at

http://johnniefootball.com/archive/guest/2010/10/01/homecoming/


Developing...

[WithasilentK]

Welllll....here goes.



If I were St. Thomas I would bring 7 or 8 up to stop the run, force the pass rush and make Boyle beat me.
I'd focus my coverage on Overman because he's about the only receiver that Boyle looks to throw to.
Either the SJU receivers have difficulty getting open or Boyle has a hard time finding and deciding who he wants to throw to.... or it's a combination of the two issues.  Truth is that he holds the ball too damn long.

Many quarterbacks try to give their receiver that extra second to get open trying to get something done down the field but your observation about Overman is not totally correct...according to the receiving stats

Josh Overman     4   17  240  14.1   3   39  60.0
Sam Pederson     4   10  178  17.8   0   58  44.5
Nick Schneider   4     10  166  16.6   2   31  41.5
Jakob Reding     4       9   96  10.7   0   39  24.0
Stephen Johnson  4    8   81  10.1   0   19  20.2



Enjoy the game everyone

I do see your point however 3 of the guys listed are running backs.  Other than some screens and shovel passes (actually there have been a few seem routs to the running backs) I have not seen any other wide-outs posing a serious threat to defenses. 
The screens and shovels could be very effective against the Toms if their defense is overly aggressive. 

Does it really matter what they are listed as on the roster?  If SJU decides to split out John Stanton and throw him the ball does it count as a pass to a LB instead of a WR or RB?

If you want to talk about zeroing in on a WR, the Tommies focus their whole passing game, if not their whole offense,  on Waldvgel...that I will buy. 

In terms of of the effectiveness of the passing game and opening up the field, yes it makes a big difference. If these RBs are being split out into the slot and wide, then they are helping spread the field, and acting as WRs. If they're catching routes out of the backfield, your offense will have trouble going downfield when they need to open up against a defense that stuffs their run.

[Retired Old Rat]

I hope the Trickster didn't get put in jail.

Target Field beer vendors busted for underage sales

[sjusection105]

Today I was talking with a very credible source who is involved with fundraising over at UST and there is a very real concern of losing Caruso to the upcoming opening over at the U of M if the Tommies are able to have another deep run into the play-offs in 2010

Developing.....

[sfury]

With the apparent concern with the Johnnies' offense - particularly, it seems, with the passing game - it's worth noting the Tommies have scored a whopping eight more points than SJU this year. SJU has scored 40-plus three times already. First time they've done that in a season since 2007. And it's the same St. Thomas players - for the most part - who did nothing on offense last year until the late SJU mistakes. I think when it comes to this series, the St. Thomas offense has just as much to prove tomorrow as the Johnnies' offense.

Section: I've seen commenters on the Strib site who want Mike Grant for the Gophers. Don't they know he's going to take over SJU when John leaves in 2024?

[Pat Coleman]

Today I was talking with a very credible source who is involved with fundraising over at UST and there is a very real concern of losing Caruso to the upcoming opening over at the U of M if the Tommies are able to have another deep run into the play-offs in 2010

Developing.....

This has been said with some regularity in the past year. The last time a D-III coach went directly to a BCS head coaching job was in the '90s -- that's a gigantic leap that I don't think many athletic directors would be willing to make.

[sjusection105]

Section: I've seen commenters on the Strib site who want Mike Grant for the Gophers. Don't they know he's going to take over SJU when John leaves in 2024?

Well at least that way he doesn't have to worry about the pay cut he'd take by walking away from the Eden Prairie school system now, as he'll for sure be retired from E.P.H.S. by then!