FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

Agreed Bench. But my question is, if the Super Conferences form and leave the NCAA and do something similar with b-ball, as the article suggests they are thinking about, what happens to DIII.

UST got to fly on a plane for a playoff game for Linfield because the NCAA paid the bill. No $$ from the big boys and no playoffs or a very truncated version, for the little boys. That's my concern. So yes, I do think what happens with the NCAA and potentially these major FBS conferences could have a corollary affect on the way small college teams are able to play for the love of the game.

I'm with ya on the purity aspect. I just think it stinks that the rot of the NCAA and FCS might affect the financial stability of the less viable sports and divisions. From DI swimming and tennis to DIII football and basketball and everywhere in between.

I don't necessarily agree, simply citing how the NAIA is able to keep their head above water. Honestly though, I think before we see a mass defection, we'll see the big conferences with the big teams use leverage to get the NCAA to back-the-heck-off, and then it will be business as usual. On the flip side, I see it getting real ugly, especially when you consider the egos of some of these guys.

The NAIA keeps its head above water with a significantly different set of benefits to members, who have to pay for postseason travel and insurance costs that are borne by the NCAA for its member institutions.

Exactly. And if you think the NCAA does a poor job of policing itself, well, the NAIA could actually learn a thing or two from the NCAA.

And having to foot the bill for postseason travel just stinks. It makes the process even more political. We might not like how the west coast teams get the shaft now, but it hasn't been unheard of for NAIA teams that qualified for the playoffs to decline their spot simply because they couldn't afford to travel to the location of their opponent.

That, and the NAIA is so broke home field advantage for the playoffs is determined by schools 'bidding' for the right to host. So whichever school can promise the highest gate proceeds for the NAIA gets to have the playoffs at their place. READ: UST would never get to host SJU for a playoff game 

Cart before the horse. SJU would have to make the playoffs first. Ba-zing!

Sorry ROR...totally understand if you take my karma back.

Do I get an assist for that? 

[USTBench]

Definitely.

[AO]

I cringe a little bit when I hear about D3 being the home of the real "student-athlete", or the last truly amateurs playing only for the love of the game.  Weren't we just having a debate about a hike in ticket prices?  The Tommies and Johnnies both have radio contracts and their game drew 16,000 people last year.  This isn't amateur athletics.  If you've ever seen chariots of fire, the administrator of the college thought it was wrong for Abrahams to hire a personal track coach.


--also, I could be wrong but doesn't d3 already have some sort of bidding process for playoff hosts?  they don't release seeds, and UST actually drew more to their last playoff game than I would bet st. john's has ever drew up in collegeville for a playoff game.

[Retired Old Rat]

Do I get an assist for that? 

You want some -k too? 

[hazzben]

Do I get an assist for that? 

You want some -k too? 

I guess if I get the assist I should probably take my lumps like a man as well. Ding away ROR, ding away...

[hazzben]

--also, I could be wrong but doesn't d3 already have some sort of bidding process for playoff hosts?  they don't release seeds, and UST actually drew more to their last playoff game than I would bet st. john's has ever drew up in collegeville for a playoff game.

I know of nothing like this in DIII. Bethel has hosted several playoff games and gone on the road several times. Each and every time that I'm aware of it was the case of the NCAA saying, pack your bags or prepare to host our event. The didn't ask the school, the selection committee set the parameters of who was going where. As far as I understand it anyway.

[Retired Old Rat]

If you're going to dish it out, you have to be able to take it.  No -k for you two.

I don't hit anyone with -k unless I think they are an a hole.  Not many on here, but there are some.  And you all know who you are.   

[USTBench]

If you're going to dish it out, you have to be able to take it.  No -k for you two.

I don't hit anyone with -k unless I think they are an a hole.  Not many on here, but there are some.  And you all know who you are.   

I suggest a hobby. The year UST went 2-8 I learned how to make beer.

[CobberHawkeye]

One of the items discussed in the article is the use of athletes names & likenesses as a revenue stream for the NCAA.

I wonder what would happen if some blue-chipper happened to (don't know if possible) trademark their name and likeness before entering the recruiting process.

[hazzben]

If you're going to dish it out, you have to be able to take it.  No -k for you two.

I don't hit anyone with -k unless I think they are an a hole.  Not many on here, but there are some.  And you all know who you are.   

I suggest a hobby. The year UST went 2-8 I learned how to make beer.

The only logical next question...was it any good?

[Pat Coleman]

I cringe a little bit when I hear about D3 being the home of the real "student-athlete", or the last truly amateurs playing only for the love of the game.  Weren't we just having a debate about a hike in ticket prices?  The Tommies and Johnnies both have radio contracts and their game drew 16,000 people last year.  This isn't amateur athletics. 

Well, it's amateur athletics because the athletes are getting nothing, not pay, not a scholarship.

[AO]

I cringe a little bit when I hear about D3 being the home of the real "student-athlete", or the last truly amateurs playing only for the love of the game.  Weren't we just having a debate about a hike in ticket prices?  The Tommies and Johnnies both have radio contracts and their game drew 16,000 people last year.  This isn't amateur athletics. 

Well, it's amateur athletics because the athletes are getting nothing, not pay, not a scholarship.

I'll concede that the players are amateurs, but to say that the system is amateur would be inaccurate.  Calling it amateur athletics gives credence to the misconception of D3 as glorified intramurals.  Sometimes as with St. Thomas recently, the difference between D1 and D3 isn't how much money you spend on athletics, but simply where you choose to spend it--brand new athletic facilities rather than scholarships.

[sjusection105]

I don't hit anyone with -k unless I think they are an a hole.  Not many on here, but there are some.  And you all know who you are.   

Of course you are referring to the president of the Cla$$le$$ A$$hole Club, Touchdown Tommy   

+ K for all involved with this discussion.

[D O.C.]

Insomnia led to reading USTBench's amateur piece.
Highlight for me was stepping over the wall at Carlton.


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[tmerton]

I cringe a little bit when I hear about D3 being the home of the real "student-athlete", or the last truly amateurs playing only for the love of the game.  Weren't we just having a debate about a hike in ticket prices?  The Tommies and Johnnies both have radio contracts and their game drew 16,000 people last year.  This isn't amateur athletics.  If you've ever seen chariots of fire, the administrator of the college thought it was wrong for Abrahams to hire a personal track coach.

I see, if you charge admission or draw large crowds, the participants aren't amateurs?  It would seem that anyone other than parents in attendance taints the matter and the players cannot be student-atheletes.  This makes pee wee soccer and Northwestern football the paradigm I guess.  Love the reference to Chariots of Fire; running around a quad in leather shoes at Oxford in the 1920s is a fitting image for your arguments here.  (But weren't they trying out for the Olympics - those games that draw large crowds and charge admission?)

UST actually drew more to their last playoff game than I would bet st. john's has ever drew up in collegeville for a playoff game.

Why don't you research that and get back to us?