FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[SagatagSam]

That's the beauty of D3 football. We discuss things that are outside the realm of just football. It fits with the D3 ethos of there being more to life than just the games you play as a kid. It's only natural that our discussion of football would branch off to greater questions of our schools, culture and the world we find ourselves in.

I live deep in the heart of the Southeastern Conference where football is king. All they ever talk about is statistics and the Xs and Os of the game. That can be fine and dandy in its own rite (and I've had a blast being immersed in that for a short while), but I like to jump outside of that paradigm from time to time.

[OzJohnnie]

A great write here:  http://www.foxsportsnorth.com/10/26/11/Gagliardi-a-rock-of-stability-at-St-John/landing.html?blockID=590106&feedID=3793

Wow, this story is showing up for me as the third feature on the main foxsports.com site.  The stories go 1: WS rain out, 2: Tebow, 3: Gagliardi, 4: Vick, 5: Peyton Manning, 6: Pheonix Suns.  Priceless.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

That's the beauty of D3 football. We discuss things that are outside the realm of just football. It fits with the D3 ethos of there being more to life than just the games you play as a kid. It's only natural that our discussion of football would branch off to greater questions of our schools, culture and the world we find ourselves in.

I live deep in the heart of the Southeastern Conference where football is king. All they ever talk about is statistics and the Xs and Os of the game. That can be fine and dandy in its own rite (and I've had a blast being immersed in that for a short while), but I like to jump outside of that paradigm from time to time.

SagSam-
Where are you these days? I spent 3 glorious years in the heart of Tobacco Road, which for a hoops junkie such as myself is as close to heaven as it gets on this earth. Even in NC & VA, they take their football far more seriously than here-- maybe its because their DI programs tend to be far more successful than the local yokel? I have a few acquaintances from 'Bama and Georgia, and their passion makes the "rubes of SJ" look casual!

[hazzben]

I don't know how wise it is to be playing the "look where my school will be in a decade" game right now, Mr. MIAC.
There have been rumblings that there is a higher education economic bubble that is about to burst. In the end, it may end up hurting SJU and UST equally. And, I'm not going to claim to know precisely how this will all pan out (assuming there actually is a bubble and that it will burst).
But, for the sake of discussion and "poke you in the eye with a stick" style of debate, let's assume those economists that warn of a higher ed bubble bursting are correct. Frankly, I'd be more worried about the bubble if I am a Tommie.
Like many individuals the housing market, many schools are getting in over their heads, building structures for programs for which there is no organic demand in the labor market (see: the law school bubble http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/a-visual-representation-of-the-law-school-bubble/). In short, there is too much supply, not enough demand. (Side note: I'd hire you as my lawyer, Bench.)

The folks on the corner of Cretin and Summit can pontificate all they want about how much money they have, what they are doing with it, and all of the grand places it shall take them.

I'll take the "slow and steady as she goes" approach of the Benedictines at Saint John's--even if it means an ugly defeat at the hands of St. Thomas on the gridiron every now and again.

The legal market is a unique animal right now and in my view one should have some serious reservations about law school unless they are getting near a full ride or accepted to a T14 law school.  Some don't like the fact that UST restarted a law school, but in my view their goal is not as much to coexist with other schools in the Twin Cities as to put one or maybe at a stretch two out of business.

Stay classy!  You know you've got a compelling vision for higher education when your goal is to put other schools out of business! I can only hope this merely represents your personal misguided vision and is not an accurate representation of UST's goals.

[USTBench]

I don't know how wise it is to be playing the "look where my school will be in a decade" game right now, Mr. MIAC.
There have been rumblings that there is a higher education economic bubble that is about to burst. In the end, it may end up hurting SJU and UST equally. And, I'm not going to claim to know precisely how this will all pan out (assuming there actually is a bubble and that it will burst).
But, for the sake of discussion and "poke you in the eye with a stick" style of debate, let's assume those economists that warn of a higher ed bubble bursting are correct. Frankly, I'd be more worried about the bubble if I am a Tommie.
Like many individuals the housing market, many schools are getting in over their heads, building structures for programs for which there is no organic demand in the labor market (see: the law school bubble http://abovethelaw.com/2011/06/a-visual-representation-of-the-law-school-bubble/). In short, there is too much supply, not enough demand. (Side note: I'd hire you as my lawyer, Bench.)

The folks on the corner of Cretin and Summit can pontificate all they want about how much money they have, what they are doing with it, and all of the grand places it shall take them.

I'll take the "slow and steady as she goes" approach of the Benedictines at Saint John's--even if it means an ugly defeat at the hands of St. Thomas on the gridiron every now and again.

The legal market is a unique animal right now and in my view one should have some serious reservations about law school unless they are getting near a full ride or accepted to a T14 law school.  Some don't like the fact that UST restarted a law school, but in my view their goal is not as much to coexist with other schools in the Twin Cities as to put one or maybe at a stretch two out of business.

Stay classy!  You know you've got a compelling vision for higher education when your goal is to put other schools out of business! I can only hope this merely represents your personal misguided vision and is not an accurate representation of UST's goals.

As a...ahem...lawyer and UST grad, I would probably have to disagree with the assessment that UST's goal is to put another school out of business. I think a more accurate description would be that Wisconsin (Marquette), Michigan (U of Detroit), Illinois (Loyola, DePaul), Indiana (Notre Dame), and Nebraska (Creighton) are all midwestern states with Catholic Law Schools, and UST wanted to be Minnesota's.

Much like ROR's daughter, I opted out of attending UST for law school and went elsewhere, as I do agree that 4 law schools in a single metro area is a little much, but it seems they are doing fine.
And no, once again, I did not compare UST with any of those schools.

[cobbernation]

Mr. MIAC, I find your seemingly unshakable faith in a large urban center as crucial to a successful school a bit disturbing. Are there great schools that benefit from large metropolitan areas? YES. But, you seem to completely ignore those enormously successful schools that live outside of your cherished beltway of a major metro area. Were your premise true the following schools would be in the same so-called disadvantaged neighborhood as Saint John's:

Carleton, St. Olaf, Clemson, Middlebury, Penn State (uh oh, ROR), Virginia, Dartmouth, Cornell, Virginia Tech, College of William and Mary, Georgia, Syracuse, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Miami (OH), Notre Dame, Purdue, Mizzou, Amherst, Indiana, UConn, Texas A&M, Michigan State, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Williams College, Oklahoma State.......

I'm not trying to say an urban center isn't an asset. I'm just trying to get you to acknowledge that prospective college students do not share your metropolitan-centric view of the world.

As it turns out, for those of us behind the pine curtain the world does not end at Maple Grove. For us, that's where it truly begins.

I've got a response if you want it, but it will have to be via PM.  I'm sticking to football from here on out.

Really?  I will believe it when I see it.  You have mostly talked about everything except football from the few posts I have read.  The one post that I do remember is the one where you are a frequent reader and seldom poster on the board.  That seemed to be working for you and for the board as a whole. 

Mmmmm!  That sounds good, I think I'll have that!

[faunch]

MR MIAC,

Lighten up, Frances.

Didn't quite get the Frances reference.  Lighten up...this is about as light as I get...

Don't Call Me Francis, Any of you guys call me Francis and I'll Kill You!

[SagatagSam]

That's the beauty of D3 football. We discuss things that are outside the realm of just football. It fits with the D3 ethos of there being more to life than just the games you play as a kid. It's only natural that our discussion of football would branch off to greater questions of our schools, culture and the world we find ourselves in.

I live deep in the heart of the Southeastern Conference where football is king. All they ever talk about is statistics and the Xs and Os of the game. That can be fine and dandy in its own rite (and I've had a blast being immersed in that for a short while), but I like to jump outside of that paradigm from time to time.

SagSam-
Where are you these days? I spent 3 glorious years in the heart of Tobacco Road, which for a hoops junkie such as myself is as close to heaven as it gets on this earth. Even in NC & VA, they take their football far more seriously than here-- maybe its because their DI programs tend to be far more successful than the local yokel? I have a few acquaintances from 'Bama and Georgia, and their passion makes the "rubes of SJ" look casual!

I'm stationed at Ft. Benning, Georgia, sportsman's paradise, situated on the banks of the Chattahoochee River. Believe me, I took full advantage of being located in the heart of the SEC (and the best ACC football schools). I've been to 12 different schools (10 last season, 2 this season) Florida, UGA, Auburn, LSU, SC, Bama, Ole Miss, Florida St., Clemson, Tennessee, Miss St., and VA Tech.

My next move looks like it will be to Ft. Lee, VA (just south of Richmond) which, ta-dah!, is right in the heart of ACC/Big East basketball country.

I agree. I'm a bit ashamed to be from "Big Ten-welve" country when I see the passion down here.

[Mr.MIAC]

Mr. MIAC, I find your seemingly unshakable faith in a large urban center as crucial to a successful school a bit disturbing. Are there great schools that benefit from large metropolitan areas? YES. But, you seem to completely ignore those enormously successful schools that live outside of your cherished beltway of a major metro area. Were your premise true the following schools would be in the same so-called disadvantaged neighborhood as Saint John's:

Carleton, St. Olaf, Clemson, Middlebury, Penn State (uh oh, ROR), Virginia, Dartmouth, Cornell, Virginia Tech, College of William and Mary, Georgia, Syracuse, Auburn, Alabama, Florida, Miami (OH), Notre Dame, Purdue, Mizzou, Amherst, Indiana, UConn, Texas A&M, Michigan State, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Williams College, Oklahoma State.......

I'm not trying to say an urban center isn't an asset. I'm just trying to get you to acknowledge that prospective college students do not share your metropolitan-centric view of the world.

As it turns out, for those of us behind the pine curtain the world does not end at Maple Grove. For us, that's where it truly begins.

I've got a response if you want it, but it will have to be via PM.  I'm sticking to football from here on out.

Really?  I will believe it when I see it.  You have mostly talked about everything except football from the few posts I have read.  The one post that I do remember is the one where you are a frequent reader and seldom poster on the board.  That seemed to be working for you and for the board as a whole. 

Mmmmm!  That sounds good, I think I'll have that!

I sent a few PMs with a link indicating UST Law School's position on supply/demand in the Twin Cities.

Please see the following new link on UST Football's "Take A Kid to the Game" program.

Link: http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/news/TAKG_2011.html

[GoldandBlueBU]

They discussed this game on KFAN yesterday when I was on my way home from work.  Found it to be pretty entertaining, and has some interesting history bits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1916_Cumberland_vs._Georgia_Tech_football_game

I'd never heard the story before.

Makes UST's 63-7 look tame.

[Red Hot Bennie]

Johnnie Football in session.  We're here- the ghosts of JF

[BDB]

Johnnie Football in session.  We're here- the ghosts of JF

A fuzzy TDT?

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

That's the beauty of D3 football. We discuss things that are outside the realm of just football. It fits with the D3 ethos of there being more to life than just the games you play as a kid. It's only natural that our discussion of football would branch off to greater questions of our schools, culture and the world we find ourselves in.

I live deep in the heart of the Southeastern Conference where football is king. All they ever talk about is statistics and the Xs and Os of the game. That can be fine and dandy in its own rite (and I've had a blast being immersed in that for a short while), but I like to jump outside of that paradigm from time to time.

SagSam-
Where are you these days? I spent 3 glorious years in the heart of Tobacco Road, which for a hoops junkie such as myself is as close to heaven as it gets on this earth. Even in NC & VA, they take their football far more seriously than here-- maybe its because their DI programs tend to be far more successful than the local yokel? I have a few acquaintances from 'Bama and Georgia, and their passion makes the "rubes of SJ" look casual!

I'm stationed at Ft. Benning, Georgia, sportsman's paradise, situated on the banks of the Chattahoochee River. Believe me, I took full advantage of being located in the heart of the SEC (and the best ACC football schools). I've been to 12 different schools (10 last season, 2 this season) Florida, UGA, Auburn, LSU, SC, Bama, Ole Miss, Florida St., Clemson, Tennessee, Miss St., and VA Tech.

My next move looks like it will be to Ft. Lee, VA (just south of Richmond) which, ta-dah!, is right in the heart of ACC/Big East basketball country.

I agree. I'm a bit ashamed to be from "Big Ten-welve" country when I see the passion down here.

You should try to get to a game at the Citadel-- lousy football, awesome experience. Once you move, you definitely should check out UNC, NC ST and ECU...also Appy St is a gorgeous place... if you have any hoops interests, try to get into Cameron or the Dean Dome-- any game will do. I'm assuming you've found out that what passes for good BBQ in MN wouldnt get served or eaten in Dixie 

[tmerton]

The one post that I do remember is the one where you are a frequent reader and seldom poster on the board.  That seemed to be working for you and for the board as a whole. 

+k 

[OzJohnnie]

Johnnie Football in session.  We're here- the ghosts of JF

A fuzzy TDT?

That's the best photo of TDT I've ever seen.