FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[218Tommie]

Thanks, I was a little curious about the logos. I knew it wouldn't get torn down. If that were to have happened I probably would have cried because that place is amazing.

[Chubbs]

To say the apple didn't fall far from the tree is a huge compliment. Coach Plinske was a great coach and even better man. His son is no different on the administrative side of things.

"So don't worry about what you can get from...worry about what you can give to, and the getting will take care of itself."  -Coach Mike Plinske

I think my favorite story about Coach P was that as a young husband and father he was an outstanding amateur golfer, but his wife Bernie felt like the time he devoted to golf was compromising his commitments to his family.  After a freak accident when Paul was catching his pitching wedge shots with a baseball glove , Bernie asked him to give up the game and he quit cold turkey on the spot.  What a great example of sacrificial servant leadership, and it shapes me as a husband and father to this day!  Salute, Coach P!

[USTBench]

Thanks, I was a little curious about the logos. I knew it wouldn't get torn down. If that were to have happened I probably would have cried because that place is amazing.

The students are definitely spoiled with the REA. Which is somewhat unfortunate for the other teams because the facilities are nice, but not SPECTACULAR. Which is what the REA is.

I think most people will be fine with the Alerus Center for football once the transition is over and we start hosting teams like Montana instead of Black Hills St. I also can't wait for Sioux/Bison to get going again.

Imagine if UST/SJU stopped playing in football. That's what the last several years have been like. Just lame. Of course UND/USD made the most of their rivalry, but it's just not the same.

[hazzben]

They are very good, obviously. But so is UST, obviously. If UST gets freaked out by the Perk and the crowd, they are toast. They need to remember that they are not in Madison. It's still D3 football.

Considering the size of crowds they've played in front of during the Holy Grail the last few years (15K on one occasion), I doubt the crowd or settings wig them out.

[hazzben]

This is particualary correlated with the American Indian Movement in the 1970s, and the 79 day stand off at Pine Ridge. The full blooded traditionalist Sioux REALLY don't trust anyone. And the academics among them have been fighting this for years. The non academics see it as a point of pride. It's a shame really.

Having lived on the Pine Ridge reservation (and just a few miles from Wounded Knee where the standoff took place) I can say that it goes a little deeper and is a bit more nuanced than this. Not the least of which is the fact that they regard the very name 'Sioux' as incorrect, inappropriate and derogatory. The more accurate terms Dakota (for Yankton/Yanktonai and Santee) and Lakota (Oglala, Hunkpapa, etc.) are preferred.

I completely understand UND people cherishing their historic nickname "Fighting Sioux" but it's not really your place to decide if it's appropriate. Some Dakota/Lakota have given permission and have no problem. But others clearly do take issue. That seems to be the real issue, imo. To some the very name 'sioux' is a racial slur. It might be helpful to imagine how an African American, Latin American, Jew, etc. would feel if a sports team was called the by corresponding "Fighting Racial Slur." 

The Lakota do seem to take the most offense, but it goes back much further than AIM and the 79 day stand off. It goes back at least to the Wounded Knee Massacre where 150 unarmed men, women and children were gunned down by the U.S. 7th Calvary and then dumped into a mass grave. It also has a little something to do with the government then handing out 20 Medals of Honor to the soldiers, some of whom received them for their gallantry in riding down and killing the fleeing and hiding survivors of the initial onslaught. So I can understand why they get a little prickly and have trust issues.

Keep in mind, I'm a guy who grew up in Siouxland, lived in the middle of Sioux County, has a father from Sioux Center and spent weekends going to Sioux City and Sioux Falls. So I can certainly relate to the side that says "Hey, this is what we've always called our team, town and county." But at the end of the day, I can see the other side as well. Its a sticky, nuanced and heartfelt argument for all sides and has a little more at stake then just a nickname.

Apologies for hijacking our regularly scheduled programming! Back to DIII playoff football. 

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

This is particualary correlated with the American Indian Movement in the 1970s, and the 79 day stand off at Pine Ridge. The full blooded traditionalist Sioux REALLY don't trust anyone. And the academics among them have been fighting this for years. The non academics see it as a point of pride. It's a shame really.

Having lived on the Pine Ridge reservation (and just a few miles from Wounded Knee where the standoff took place) I can say that it goes a little deeper and is a bit more nuanced than this. Not the least of which is the fact that they regard the very name 'Sioux' as incorrect, inappropriate and derogatory. The more accurate terms Dakota (for Yankton/Yanktonai and Santee) and Lakota (Oglala, Hunkpapa, etc.) are preferred.

I completely understand UND people cherishing their historical nickname "Fighting Sioux" but it's not really your place to decide if it's appropriate. Some Dakota/Lakota have given permission and have no problem. But others clearly do take issue. That seems to be the real issue, imo. To some the very name 'sioux' is a racial slur. It might be helpful to imagine how an African American, Latin American, Jew, etc. would feel if a sports team was called the by corresponding "Fighting Racial Slur." 

The Lakota do seem to take the most offense, but it goes back much further than AIM and the 79 day stand off. It goes back at least to the Wounded Knee Massacre where 150 unarmed men, women and children were gunned down by the U.S. 7th Calvary and then dumped into a mass grave. It also has a little something to do with the government then handing out 20 Medals of Honor to the soldiers, some of whom received them for their gallantry in riding down and killing the fleeing and hiding survivors of the initial onslaught. So I can understand why they get a little prickly and have trust issues.

Keep in mind, I'm a guy who grew up in Siouxland, lived in the middle of Sioux County, has a father from Sioux Center and spent weekends going to Sioux City and Sioux Falls. So I can certainly relate to the side that says "Hey, this is what we've always called our team, town and county." But at the end of the day, I can see the other side as well. Its a sticky, nuanced and heartfelt argument for all sides and has a little more at stake then just a nickname.

Apologies for hijacking our regularly scheduled programming! Back to DIII playoff footballbeer. 

nice explanation Bench....I had to correct you at the very end 

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

after consulting the Ouija board, magic 8 ball and a palmreader, I cna safely say the final score will be:

UST 17
UWW 14

with the Tommies holding off a late drive by UWW

[OzJohnnie]

They are very good, obviously. But so is UST, obviously. If UST gets freaked out by the Perk and the crowd, they are toast. They need to remember that they are not in Madison. It's still D3 football.

Considering the size of crowds they've played in front of during the Holy Grail the last few years (15K on one occasion), I doubt the crowd or settings wig them out.

Nah.  It'll be all the parolees standing guard at the gates that will do it.

[OzJohnnie]

I'll get you started, Tommies:

Top 10 reasons the NCAA banned The Cannon at The Perk during playoffs:

10. The NCAA are tired of being told that Warhawks boosters lost their matches... again.
9. Because UWW responded to initial complaints by declaring all fans had to use Kodak.
8. The NCAA wouldn't let cannon shooters shoot cannons at Scott Walker's crazy low prices.
7. The argument that the grape shot was left over from duck season just wouldn't fly.
6. ...

Next?

6. Cannon Ball Hits Home

5. Every time the Cannon goes off the UWW bench stampedes like a herd of cattle and the NCAA won't cover the liability insurance.

4. The bad publicity from all the Wiscy women yelling "Cheers!" after every score because they thought the cork had just popped on a giant bottle of Boones Farm was too much to take.

3. The ticket takers keep dropping all their collected stubs every time they throw their hands in the air at a cannon shot.

[hazzben]

They are very good, obviously. But so is UST, obviously. If UST gets freaked out by the Perk and the crowd, they are toast. They need to remember that they are not in Madison. It's still D3 football.

Considering the size of crowds they've played in front of during the Holy Grail the last few years (15K on one occasion), I doubt the crowd or settings wig them out.

Nah.  It'll be all the parolees standing guard at the gates that will do it.

Now that could certainly have an affect, there aren't many parolees living in Minnetonka, Edina and Wyzata so I could see how that spooks the Toms 

[ncc58]

2115 Summit,
There will be a large contingent at a Tommite tailgate in Lot 11. UST flags should guide your way.

There is a $5 charge for Lot 11.

All parking proceeds will help cover Warhawk athletic expenses, including travel, uniforms, and other programs that enhance the student athletic experience, Plinske said. Free parking is available at all other campus lots.

[cobbernation]

Don't forget to tune into ESPN tonight and tomorrow to watch some exciting FCS college football playoffs (the real way to become a champion in college football).  Tomorrow morning at noon the Montana State Bobcats play a team in Texas, remember MSU won a thriller last week by the opposing team missing an extra point with 13 seconds remaining in the game!

If anyone is looking to spend some good money go to a liquor store that carries Flying Dog Raging Bit**.  It will run about $12 for the 6 pack, I had it from a cask at the Muddy Pig (Selby & Dale in St. Paul).  I thought it was pretty good.

[Johnnie]

Don't forget to tune into ESPN tonight and tomorrow to watch some exciting FCS college football playoffs (the real way to become a champion in college football).  Tomorrow morning at noon the Montana State Bobcats play a team in Texas, remember MSU won a thriller last week by the opposing team missing an extra point with 13 seconds remaining in the game!

If anyone is looking to spend some good money go to a liquor store that carries Flying Dog Raging Bit**.  It will run about $12 for the 6 pack, I had it from a cask at the Muddy Pig (Selby & Dale in St. Paul).  I thought it was pretty good.

Hello CobberNation,

thanks for the reminder.  I have the distinction (or maybe extinction) of watching the Bobcats beat New Hampshire twice in the playoffs (1976 and last week), both times with heart-stopping game-ending plays.  I was at the 976 game--MSU ended up winning it all that year, and saw last Saturday's game on a webcast.  So, if the Cats/SamHouston game is not available, one might find it on a webcast.  Fear the Ear! (and the Bobcats!)

[Johnnie]

This is particualary correlated with the American Indian Movement in the 1970s, and the 79 day stand off at Pine Ridge. The full blooded traditionalist Sioux REALLY don't trust anyone. And the academics among them have been fighting this for years. The non academics see it as a point of pride. It's a shame really.

Having lived on the Pine Ridge reservation (and just a few miles from Wounded Knee where the standoff took place) I can say that it goes a little deeper and is a bit more nuanced than this. Not the least of which is the fact that they regard the very name 'Sioux' as incorrect, inappropriate and derogatory. The more accurate terms Dakota (for Yankton/Yanktonai and Santee) and Lakota (Oglala, Hunkpapa, etc.) are preferred.

I completely understand UND people cherishing their historic nickname "Fighting Sioux" but it's not really your place to decide if it's appropriate. Some Dakota/Lakota have given permission and have no problem. But others clearly do take issue. That seems to be the real issue, imo. To some the very name 'sioux' is a racial slur. It might be helpful to imagine how an African American, Latin American, Jew, etc. would feel if a sports team was called the by corresponding "Fighting Racial Slur." 

The Lakota do seem to take the most offense, but it goes back much further than AIM and the 79 day stand off. It goes back at least to the Wounded Knee Massacre where 150 unarmed men, women and children were gunned down by the U.S. 7th Calvary and then dumped into a mass grave. It also has a little something to do with the government then handing out 20 Medals of Honor to the soldiers, some of whom received them for their gallantry in riding down and killing the fleeing and hiding survivors of the initial onslaught. So I can understand why they get a little prickly and have trust issues.

Keep in mind, I'm a guy who grew up in Siouxland, lived in the middle of Sioux County, has a father from Sioux Center and spent weekends going to Sioux City and Sioux Falls. So I can certainly relate to the side that says "Hey, this is what we've always called our team, town and county." But at the end of the day, I can see the other side as well. Its a sticky, nuanced and heartfelt argument for all sides and has a little more at stake then just a nickname.

Apologies for hijacking our regularly scheduled programming! Back to DIII playoff football. 

Speaking of sticky, and nuanced, let's not also forget that the 3-letter airport code for Sioux City is SUX.  Dropping the letters 'I' and 'O' left Sioux City with this rather unflattering name; but, they decided in the end that they kind of liked it.  I doubt if anyone checked with the local tribes.

Furthermore, as a native South Dakotan with an Irish background,  I don't particulary feel too good about the name, the "Fighting Irish," but I can't seem to get any sympathy for that feeling.

[retagent]

I still say they should keep the Homonym, "Fighting Sue." Their logo could be a lawyer-like figure with a briefcase.