FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sfury]

Did we ever hear for sure how long Voshell will be out? I don't recall seeing anything official.

[ron doney]

I'm confused and my St John's education is probably to blame. When I look at the rankings I see Mount Union has 10 first place votes and 602 total votes. UST has 8 first place votes and 601 total votes. So UST is #1? Why does D3Football have a #1 next to Mount Union? Is it possible Mary Hardin-Baylor is #1 because they received one first place vote? That's a nice 1:1 ratio.

Funny.

Here is another way of describing my point.......
Pat, have two teams ever been considered co-#1s by the voters?  Is that even possible - could two teams have the same vote totals or receive the same # of first place votes?

Then Pat might respond with something like.....we don't allow the voters to split their #1 vote, but two teams could equal #1 votes or total votes.  This of course would suggest a co-#1 situation.  But practically speaking any two teams within 25 overall votes or 1/2 #1 votes could be considered equivalent.  The #1 rank is typically heavily favored by voters, so anytime the votes come close its clear two teams are practically sharing a ranking.  In fact you might argue today's poll has three teams sharing the top ranking.

That's what I am getting at......maybe Pat can weigh in for real and either support or disqualify the way I am looking at this.

[ron doney]

Really?  You're putting a whole lotta faith in rankings after week #1.   

Duff - after I've disqualified your earlier comments, coming back with a "really, you are going to be that guy" comment is a bunch of hypocritical b.s.  When SJ1 is back in the rankings and you are commenting on them, I'll do you the favor of keeping my mouth shut.

That would be a rare example of restraint on your part.

I could see this comment directed at many SJU posters, but DuffMan?  Clearly you're still intoxicated over the week one win.

OK, maybe, sorry to jump on you Duff.....but a lot of these "oh why are we talking about rankings, they don't matter" posts are cliche and annoying as I am not trying to whine about who's one or two or three or four........but rather discuss the idea that #1 until beat is not the case today and UMU is VERY close to being #2 and UWW is not #1....which has been a rarity after the 8yr run.

PS......don't text (or chat room) while driving

[AO]

As I said before, the only ranking that matters to me is the final one. Heck, your poll  can rank UST (or insert any school of your choice) 200th, but if they win the playoffs, they still get the trophy and are the best.  Polls are nice, but utterly and totally meaningless

The trophy is what you play for, but the poll is a very effective marketing tool.  Football like every other sport is talked about and written about more during the season than after.  That's great that you made the post-season all-american team, but if you weren't on the pre-season all-american team, you miss out on the hype and expectations.  If Gustavus beats unranked Augsburg during the regular season, but then Augsburg goes on to win the national championship, the Gustie fans aren't going to rush the field 2 months after their biggest victory. 

[ron doney]

Your logic in all of this is so bizarre that I can't even begin to counter it; once Oz Johnnie wakes up I'm sure he'll have something profound enough to make you put it to rest.

OK, then let me simplify it for you with an easy question.....can two teams share a single ranking....i.e. two #1 teams?

[finsleft]

Did we ever hear for sure how long Voshell will be out? I don't recall seeing anything official.

This isn't "official" but here's from Frank's recently completed live chat @sctimes:

"I need to reconnect with Rob and see what came of his doctor's visit late last week. They were going to decide if surgery was needed or if it could heal on its own (broken left ulna). Either way, I'd be surprised if it wasn't a few weeks at best if not more."

[sfury]

Ron,
Like the vice president, Pat C. has very few actual duties at D3football.com. Figurehead, if you will. Visits dignitaries. But like the VP, I believe he does cast the deciding vote if there's a tie in the rankings.

[Boys of Fall]

Let's all agree that UST is #1 and move onto a topic that might have marginal value.

[ron doney]

Ron,
Like the vice president, Pat C. has very few actual duties at D3football.com. Figurehead, if you will. Visits dignitaries. But like the VP, I believe he does cast the deciding vote if there's a tie in the rankings.

Ok. Makes things that much more interesting.  So he sees the all the votes before placing his own? Or once he places his own, he finds ties and then sorts them out?

[USTBench]

Doney, I really didn't mean to offend you.  I'm just a little baffled as to why you're that concerned about the rankings.  #1 or #2, does it really matter?  There's a whole lot of football left to play.  After all, you don't get the walnut & bronze till you win the Stagg Bowl.

Exaaaaactly.

Linfield didn't even play last week and some voters think they're worthy of a #1 ranking. Take your pick, but rankings 2 - 5 are completely arbitrary, and until  MHB, Linfield, Wesley or UST can actually beat MUC, the Purple Raiders are right where they should be (unless they lose a regular season game of course).

[ron doney]

Here is what we do know for sure, 15 of the 25 voters said UMU isn't number one. Almost more than two thirds.  So the voters do disagree with the guys on this board that have been very vocal about arguing the defending champ should be #1 until beaten, with the wins a win argument.

Curious what those guys think now that they know the voters disagree with them, and not just some pompous winning prick from UST?

[ron doney]

Your logic in all of this is so bizarre that I can't even begin to counter it; once Oz Johnnie wakes up I'm sure he'll have something profound enough to make you put it to rest.

OK, then let me simplify it for you with an easy question.....can two teams share a single ranking....i.e. two #1 teams?

If you were making a qualitative point that the voters think that Mount and UST are virtually even there would be no argument.  But once you try to invalidate a mathematical function; addition, you are being silly.  It's the same argument that 101+102=204 since the difference is only half a percent off of the actual total.

Yes my point was entirely qualitative. Thank you! 

Only math was describing a range to support the qualitative conclusion I made. That is, teams are equal if votes are "x" close together.

[ron doney]

Doney, I really didn't mean to offend you.  I'm just a little baffled as to why you're that concerned about the rankings.  #1 or #2, does it really matter?  There's a whole lot of football left to play.  After all, you don't get the walnut & bronze till you win the Stagg Bowl.

Exaaaaactly.

Linfield didn't even play last week and some voters think they're worthy of a #1 ranking. Take your pick, but rankings 2 - 5 are completely arbitrary, and until  MHB, Linfield, Wesley or UST can actually beat MUC, the Purple Raiders are right where they should be (unless they lose a regular season game of course).

Bench, like I said the majority of the voters disagree with where UMU is.  Are they wrong?

[DuffMan]

Talk about beating a dead horse.  You seem to be the only one who really gives a rat's keester.

[retagent]

Random thought.

Arguing/discussing the Polls has about as much value as most other things we do here. I think everyone knows that, but we like to have some fun with the polls, so I have no problem with discussing them.

Personally, I have no problem with Cap'n A$$ Hat. Rather amusing. It might have been better to bring in a pop culture reference and use "Cap'n A$$ Clown."

UST Bench. I'm interested in a first year player for UND  Garrett Cary. I watched him play high school ball in SE Wisconsin where he started on "O" and "D" for three years. He was also used as a blocker in short yardage situations. He was a beast, but seemed to slide a little his senior year. I saw him on the field after the SDSU game, and he had his jersey on, but khakis and no pads. What's the story? Hurt, or just not suited up?