FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

Duff, didn't you keep future NFL RB,Fred Jackson in check that day?

Come to think of it, yes, we laid the smackdown on Freddie Jackson and the rest of the Kohawks. 

Freddie Jackson ran for 150 yards on 29 carries:
http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2002/contrib/20131107kzz3uu

The Coe game was fun. I remember there was a lot of talk of their NFL caliber RB, Fred Jackson, going into the game. Throughout and after the game I recall not having been overly impressed with him but I find myself really pulling for him with the Bills. He's had highly touted draft picks come in who were set to replace him but the Bills continue to keep him on the field. Even after finishing last year with an injury he's bounced back nicely. Good for him.

As Pat noted he did finish the '02 game at SJU with 150 yards. I thought it would be interesting to look at how many yards/carries he received by each quarter to see if he picked up a lot of garbage yards late.

1st Quarter:       2nd Quarter        3rd Quarter        4th Quarter
12 carries            8 carries              3 carries            6 carries
37 yards             68 yards               9 yards             36 yards
Long: 12 yds       Long: 34 yds        Long: 5 yds        Long: 15 yds
3.1 YPC               8.5 YPC                3 YPC                6 YPC

At the half the score was 24-7 SJU so it's safe to say Jackson did some work while the game as still in question. But I don't recall every having the sense that SJU was in trouble, especially after taking the opening drive and scoring a quick TD.

That's zero knock on Jackson. It is a team game after all. Before we conclude he wasn't the best player on the field (the rest of the evidence certainly suggests that he was) it's highly relevant to consider that his Oline was simply overmatched. How good was the QB and passing attack?

This is why you see so many guys from dominant college teams seem average in the NFL (I'm looking at you Trent Richardson) and vice versa.

Considering that it is clear that SJU was a significantly superior team, Jackson's 150 yds, 5.1 ypc and 2 TD's are all the more impressive. Especially when you consider that his carries in the 2nd half would have been limited by the fact they were trailing by a wide margin.

I'd conclude that SJU had its way with Coe, dominating them. But I'd also conclude the didn't come close to containing Fred Jackson. I'd argue he had a great game against SJU, especially when you consider his supporting cast.

[SJUrube]

As Pat noted he did finish the '02 game at SJU with 150 yards. I thought it would be interesting to look at how many yards/carries he received by each quarter to see if he picked up a lot of garbage yards late.

1st Quarter:       2nd Quarter        3rd Quarter        4th Quarter
12 carries            8 carries              3 carries            6 carries
37 yards             68 yards               9 yards             36 yards
Long: 12 yds       Long: 34 yds        Long: 5 yds        Long: 15 yds
3.1 YPC               8.5 YPC                3 YPC                6 YPC

At the half the score was 24-7 SJU so it's safe to say Jackson did some work while the game as still in question. But I don't recall every having the sense that SJU was in trouble, especially after taking the opening drive and scoring a quick TD.

That's zero knock on Jackson. It is a team game after all. Before we conclude he wasn't the best player on the field (the rest of the evidence certainly suggests that he was) it's highly relevant to consider that his Oline was simply overmatched. How good was the QB and passing attack?

Hazz...have you forgotten where you are? This board remains a #JohnnieSmokefest. I think we'd all agree Blake Elliot was the best player on the field that day.

[edstone]

Hazz...have you forgotten where you are? This board remains a #JohnnieSmokefest. I think we'd all agree Blake Elliot was the best player on the field that day.

That day, Elliot may have been the better player. (I'd argue he was with the better team.) Based on his play since, I guess I'd go with Jackson (who wasn't with the top team that day).

[OzJohnnie]

Hazz...have you forgotten where you are? This board remains a #JohnnieSmokefest. I think we'd all agree Blake Elliot was the best player on the field that day.

That day, Elliot may have been the better player. (I'd argue he was with the better team.) Based on his play since, I guess I'd go with Jackson (who wasn't with the top team that day).

Oh, I think you should ask the ladies who the playah of the field was that day, eh Duffman?

[DuffMan]

Oh, I think you should ask the ladies who the playah of the field was that day, eh Duffman?

I'm not even sure what that means. 

[Retired Old Rat]

Hazz...have you forgotten where you are? This board remains a #JohnnieSmokefest. I think we'd all agree Blake Elliot was the best player on the field that day.

That day, Elliot may have been the better player. (I'd argue he was with the better team.) Based on his play since, I guess I'd go with Jackson (who wasn't with the top team that day).

We'll never really know the answer to that, since Blake had a career ending injury while in camp with the Vikings.

[sjusection105]

Oh, I think you should ask the ladies who the playah of the field was that day, eh Duffman?

I'm not even sure what that means. 

It's an obscure reference to Tom Engwall 

[sju56321]

What was the score of the '02 game at half? Did Duff say Jackson didn't have much in the first half? If so, isn't it natural for a team to play softer on D-don't get near deep-and let a team run the ball and eat up the clock to score.

[hazzben]

What was the score of the '02 game at half? Did Duff say Jackson didn't have much in the first half? If so, isn't it natural for a team to play softer on D-don't get near deep-and let a team run the ball and eat up the clock to score.

Ummm, as listed above, he got most of his yards in the 1st half. And while I'm sure SJU would have prefered for Coe to eat clock and end the game early, something tells me Coe might have had other goals typically when a team is far behind, they are forced to throw.

Interesting comment on Elliot's injury. I'd always heard it was season ending (as opposed to career) and that he chose to hang it up after his injury settlement from the Vikings.

[DuffMan]

For the record, I never said anything negative about Jackson.  He was a stud; we just destroyed Coe regardless of his performance.

[hazzben]

^^ And I wouldn't dispute the utter destruction of Coe for a second.

[ron doney]

Give the criteria you list their chances are exactly 1 in 0.  Those criteria are not considered, as I'm sure you're aware.

More seriously however, read this article @ d3football on this topic.  Unfortunately, the Tommies are barely on the radar.  Standing in front of you in line are:

Wabash/Witt loser
John Carroll/Heidleberg winner (and maybe the loser)
Illinois Weslyan
Wheaton
UW-Osh/UW Plat winner
PLut

And Pacific is on the edge of consideration like UST.  So, you don't need just SJU and CON to stumble, you need three more as well and Pacific to not outshine you.  Basically, you need everyone in front of the Tommies to fall over dead in order to make it and lose in the first round.

But Oz, what you are failing to take into your analysis is that during the first 2 weeks of the season UST was *almost* Co-#1 in the Top 25 poll.....

It's killing me because this year was supposed to be our correnation....everyone knows that!

[RoyalsFan]

Give the criteria you list their chances are exactly 1 in 0.  Those criteria are not considered, as I'm sure you're aware.

More seriously however, read this article @ d3football on this topic.  Unfortunately, the Tommies are barely on the radar.  Standing in front of you in line are:

Wabash/Witt loser
John Carroll/Heidleberg winner (and maybe the loser)
Illinois Weslyan
Wheaton
UW-Osh/UW Plat winner
PLut

And Pacific is on the edge of consideration like UST.  So, you don't need just SJU and CON to stumble, you need three more as well and Pacific to not outshine you.  Basically, you need everyone in front of the Tommies to fall over dead in order to make it and lose in the first round.

But Oz, what you are failing to take into your analysis is that during the first 2 weeks of the season UST was *almost* Co-#1 in the Top 25 poll.....

It's killing me because this year was supposed to be our correnation....everyone knows that!

So that explains the home playoff game listed on the regular season schedule. 

[faunch]

Give the criteria you list their chances are exactly 1 in 0.  Those criteria are not considered, as I'm sure you're aware.

More seriously however, read this article @ d3football on this topic.  Unfortunately, the Tommies are barely on the radar.  Standing in front of you in line are:

Wabash/Witt loser
John Carroll/Heidleberg winner (and maybe the loser)
Illinois Weslyan
Wheaton
UW-Osh/UW Plat winner
PLut

And Pacific is on the edge of consideration like UST.  So, you don't need just SJU and CON to stumble, you need three more as well and Pacific to not outshine you.  Basically, you need everyone in front of the Tommies to fall over dead in order to make it and lose in the first round.

But Oz, what you are failing to take into your analysis is that during the first 2 weeks of the season UST was *almost* Co-#1 in the Top 25 poll.....

It's killing me because this year was supposed to be our correnation....everyone knows that!

So that explains the home playoff game listed on the regular season schedule. 

[faunch]

Give the criteria you list their chances are exactly 1 in 0.  Those criteria are not considered, as I'm sure you're aware.

More seriously however, read this article @ d3football on this topic.  Unfortunately, the Tommies are barely on the radar.  Standing in front of you in line are:

Wabash/Witt loser
John Carroll/Heidleberg winner (and maybe the loser)
Illinois Weslyan
Wheaton
UW-Osh/UW Plat winner
PLut

And Pacific is on the edge of consideration like UST.  So, you don't need just SJU and CON to stumble, you need three more as well and Pacific to not outshine you.  Basically, you need everyone in front of the Tommies to fall over dead in order to make it and lose in the first round.

But Oz, what you are failing to take into your analysis is that during the first 2 weeks of the season UST was *almost* Co-#1 in the Top 25 poll.....

It's killing me because this year was supposed to be our correnation....everyone knows that!

I must be gaining some much needed perspective with age.  In as much as I'm loyal member of the #JohnnieSmokefest nation...I don't see how SJU is garnering a #10 ranking in the region.