FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OzJohnnie]

I gotta say, this makes me pretty disappointed with Ramler. There was a lot of disruption and I'm sure personal emotional pain last year when Fasching upset the order like he did.  And now we find ourselves right back in the old order.  I've seen the scenario play out before in business. I'm hoping this one is running to a different play book.

[Boys of Fall]

I agree with you Oz, but hoping Jimmy can put past feelings behind him and maybe even get comfortable in the position.  When he had the personnel in the past and a defense to get him the ball the offense could score.  It also looks like they have a defensive progression now set-up, Haugen won't be around forever and Novak is poised to run the defense for years.

[sfury]

I get the disappointment and everything that else that comes into play here, but...

Last year's offense averaged 19.9

The new/old offensive coordinator led the team to an average of 33.6 in 2012. A pretty good argument could be made that the 2013 team had more playmakers, yet averaged two fewer touchdowns per game.

There were many reasons the Johnnies were no longer the Johnnies those few years. They've been rehashed here more than a beer debate. But the biggest on-field thing was the defense didn't even resemble anything close to what it had been at one time. How different are the 2011 and 2012 seasons if the defense plays like it did in 2013? And one of the main coaches on that side became head coach. And most of us think he's a fine choice and certainly did a nice job in 2013.

Meanwhile, the offensive averages since the national title:
2012: 33.6
2011: 25.8
2010: 35.9
2009: 28.6
2008: 19.8
2007: 35.8
2006: 29.4
2005: 42.0
2004: 34.9

To paraphrase Troy Aikman, I don't know that it's such a bad thing that the coordinator for those teams is now back running the offense.

Certainly arguments can always be made for shiny new things. And I would have liked seeing what Ramler could have done over three or four years. But how many other offensive coordinator candidates would have had teams with those types of averages on their resume? Again, of everything that happened the past few years, the offense was hardly the biggest issue. But...they ran to the short side of the field! Urgh!

Okay...and...the numbers still speak for themselves.

[GoldandBlueBU]

Not of any football impact (as of today, anyway) but interesting to see that UWS exited for WIAC for the UMAC....

Curious to see if CSS will try again for the MIAC...

[OzJohnnie]

I get the disappointment and everything that else that comes into play here, but...

Last year's offense averaged 19.9

The new/old offensive coordinator led the team to an average of 33.6 in 2012. A pretty good argument could be made that the 2013 team had more playmakers, yet averaged two fewer touchdowns per game.

There were many reasons the Johnnies were no longer the Johnnies those few years. They've been rehashed here more than a beer debate. But the biggest on-field thing was the defense didn't even resemble anything close to what it had been at one time. How different are the 2011 and 2012 seasons if the defense plays like it did in 2013? And one of the main coaches on that side became head coach. And most of us think he's a fine choice and certainly did a nice job in 2013.

Meanwhile, the offensive averages since the national title:
2012: 33.6
2011: 25.8
2010: 35.9
2009: 28.6
2008: 19.8
2007: 35.8
2006: 29.4
2005: 42.0
2004: 34.9

To paraphrase Troy Aikman, I don't know that it's such a bad thing that the coordinator for those teams is now back running the offense.

Certainly arguments can always be made for shiny new things. And I would have liked seeing what Ramler could have done over three or four years. But how many other offensive coordinator candidates would have had teams with those types of averages on their resume? Again, of everything that happened the past few years, the offense was hardly the biggest issue. But...they ran to the short side of the field! Urgh!

Okay...and...the numbers still speak for themselves.

Your argument is strong, sfury, but all those pre-2012 facts were already known when the decision to switch it all up was made.  I actually don't care whether the original decision was a good one or not, just that such a big decision is unwound so completely and so soon.  That is my disappointment.

I am comforted, however, by your post.  Maybe this will mean it all turns out for the better and just a little water under the bridge was needed to make the current setup possible.  If it works better than we ever hoped then maybe we'll be back here wondering if it was all planned from the beginning by some master strategist.  A Michael Corleone of football coach management.

[sjusection105]

Lookout MIAC, Jimmy G is back! 

The concern I have is recruiting of offensive players. Ramler was on the road making stops at high schools near & far. Does Gary focusing on offense  with Dumo & Brandon focusing on defense? Or, does Jim take a bigger role on the road in recruiting,something he did not do previously...... Inquiring minds want to know.

[sfury]

Lookout MIAC, Jimmy G is back! 

The concern I have is recruiting of offensive players. Ramler was on the road making stops at high schools near & far. Does Gary focusing on offense  with Dumo & Brandon focusing on defense? Or, does Jim take a bigger role on the road in recruiting,something he did not do previously...... Inquiring minds want to know.

Heckendorf is full-time now so as an offensive guy hopefully he'll be able to bring guys in...primarily a receiver who would play like he did.

[OldAuggie]

I get the disappointment and everything that else that comes into play here, but...

Last year's offense averaged 19.9

The new/old offensive coordinator led the team to an average of 33.6 in 2012. A pretty good argument could be made that the 2013 team had more playmakers, yet averaged two fewer touchdowns per game.

There were many reasons the Johnnies were no longer the Johnnies those few years. They've been rehashed here more than a beer debate. But the biggest on-field thing was the defense didn't even resemble anything close to what it had been at one time. How different are the 2011 and 2012 seasons if the defense plays like it did in 2013? And one of the main coaches on that side became head coach. And most of us think he's a fine choice and certainly did a nice job in 2013.

Meanwhile, the offensive averages since the national title:
2012: 33.6
2011: 25.8
2010: 35.9
2009: 28.6
2008: 19.8
2007: 35.8
2006: 29.4
2005: 42.0
2004: 34.9

To paraphrase Troy Aikman, I don't know that it's such a bad thing that the coordinator for those teams is now back running the offense.

Certainly arguments can always be made for shiny new things. And I would have liked seeing what Ramler could have done over three or four years. But how many other offensive coordinator candidates would have had teams with those types of averages on their resume? Again, of everything that happened the past few years, the offense was hardly the biggest issue. But...they ran to the short side of the field! Urgh!

Okay...and...the numbers still speak for themselves.

Your argument is strong, sfury, but all those pre-2012 facts were already known when the decision to switch it all up was made.  I actually don't care whether the original decision was a good one or not, just that such a big decision is unwound so completely and so soon.  That is my disappointment.

I am comforted, however, by your post.  Maybe this will mean it all turns out for the better and just a little water under the bridge was needed to make the current setup possible.  If it works better than we ever hoped then maybe we'll be back here wondering if it was all planned from the beginning by some master strategist.  A Michael Corleone of football coach management.

Kurt Ramler = Fredo Corleone?

[OzJohnnie]

The Vikings took a linebacker in round 1?  I know I know nothing, but I was hoping for Johnny Football.  Our QB's suck.  anything.  something.  crud.

[sjusection105]

Lookout MIAC, Jimmy G is back! 

The concern I have is recruiting of offensive players. Ramler was on the road making stops at high schools near & far. Does Gary focusing on offense  with Dumo & Brandon focusing on defense? Or, does Jim take a bigger role on the road in recruiting,something he did not do previously...... Inquiring minds want to know.

Heckendorf is full-time now so as an offensive guy hopefully he'll be able to bring guys in...primarily a receiver who would play like he did.

Thanks sfury. Clearly I don't read the entire article before posting my concern....
If you remember in 2012 about halfway through the season Jimmy went to the press box & relayed calls to Charlie Welsh on the sideline, that type of arrangement could work. Welsh or Heckendorf on the sideline with a headset & Jimmy up in the press box. Charlie seems to have a calming effect on the kids,the last thing they want after making a mistake is someone screaming at them as they reach the sideline.

Heckendorf on the recruiting trail is a plus. He brings credibility as a standout player in college and a short pro career along with his age he can connect to the kids as well as parents (most important) and coaches in the upper Midwest. I see this as a good thing.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Not of any football impact (as of today, anyway) but interesting to see that UWS exited for WIAC for the UMAC....

Curious to see if CSS will try again for the MIAC...

a MOST interesting development in the WIAC.....will Norbert's try to join the WIAC?  I honestly dont see CSS getting in the MIAC unless Mac (and maybe 2 others that have been rumored leaving in the recent past ) leave the fold. But I dont see anyone leaving the MIAC, but maybe Im delusional on that 

I gotta say, this makes me pretty disappointed with Ramler. There was a lot of disruption and I'm sure personal emotional pain last year when Fasching upset the order like he did.  And now we find ourselves right back in the old order.  I've seen the scenario play out before in business. I'm hoping this one is running to a different play book.

how is it Rambler's fault that Jimmy-boy is back in  charge? He didnt promote him, he only took an opportunity he thought was good for him.

That slurping sound you heard was the collective salivating of all MIAC defensive coordinators upon hearing that Jimmyboy is back 

[OzJohnnie]

I gotta say, this makes me pretty disappointed with Ramler. There was a lot of disruption and I'm sure personal emotional pain last year when Fasching upset the order like he did.  And now we find ourselves right back in the old order.  I've seen the scenario play out before in business. I'm hoping this one is running to a different play book.

how is it Rambler's fault that Jimmy-boy is back in  charge? He didnt promote him, he only took an opportunity he thought was good for him.

That slurping sound you heard was the collective salivating of all MIAC defensive coordinators upon hearing that Jimmyboy is back 

I never said anything about fault for JG being back in charge. In fact, I never expressed an opinion about JG at all in that post. I said I'm disappointed that Ramler unwound such a significant decision. But speaking of fault, he's certainly at fault for creating the need for a new OC, right?  Even if it is a great opportunity, I'm disappointed.

As for the slurping sound, sfury makes me think it may be a delusional slurp you hear. If the defense is back and the offense cranks out numbers like sfury highlights then the salivating will be by us Johnnies, my friend.

[sjusection105]

Maniac- Has UST named an Offensive Coordinator? I looked at their website & nothing listed in the coaches drop down menu.

[ExTartanPlayer]

The Vikings took a linebacker in round 1?  I know I know nothing, but I was hoping for Johnny Football.  Our QB's suck.  anything.  something.  crud.

They made a nice move to grab Bridgewater at the end of round 1.  Grantland's Bill Barnwell is pretty high on Bridgewater, noting that his stock fell for one of the stupidest reasons imaginable when as recently as December/January he was a potential #1 overall pick.

http://grantland.com/features/teddy-bridgewater-blake-bortles-nfl-draft-pro-day-meaningless/

I think this was a great move for the Vikes.  They got the most pro-ready QB in the draft at the end of round 1, and they have a better supporting cast around him than most teams taking a first-round QB do.  I could see this working.

[sju56321]

My son keeps getting letters and emails from St. Olaf to play football there-what the hell is SJU doing? Need to look outside central Minnesota!
Also, reading Sandford's new book and about 35% of the way through (on Kindle) the main character asks his daughter if she would like to go to UST and she says "fu** a bunch of Tommie's." Gotta love Sandford!