FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[AO]

I think "Larry" has a new moniker on SCTimes chats.

Comment From Pool Play
Bungum was wide open on several plays against Hamline and Martin didn't throw to him. Don't you think they need to get both Bungum and Clark with his speed much more involved in the passing game?

The Johnnies first 8 drives against Hamline.  (Martin was only in for the first 6)  Looks like everybody was open.

SJU     1st    H40    13:06     Punt    V00    11:40    *    TOUCHDOWN    5-60    1:26    #
SJU     1st    V38    10:18     Punt    V00    07:30    *    TOUCHDOWN    6-38    2:48    #
SJU     1st    V49    04:39     Inter   V00    04:31    *    TOUCHDOWN    1-49    0:08     
SJU     1st    H38    02:57     Punt    V00    01:20    *    TOUCHDOWN    4-62    1:37     
SJU     1st    H39    00:11     Punt    H47    14:20         Punt    3-8    0:51     
SJU     2nd    H45    09:05     Inter    V00    04:55    *    TOUCHDOWN    9-55    4:10    #
SJU     2nd    V49    02:21     Kickoff    V00    01:45    *    TOUCHDOWN    3-49    0:36     
SJU     2nd    V00    00:05     Kickoff    V00    00:05    *    TOUCHDOWN    0-0    0:00    

[OzJohnnie]

I think "Larry" has a new moniker on SCTimes chats.

Comment From Pool Play
Bungum was wide open on several plays against Hamline and Martin didn't throw to him. Don't you think they need to get both Bungum and Clark with his speed much more involved in the passing game?

The Johnnies first 8 drives against Hamline.  (Martin was only in for the first 5)  Looks like everybody was open.

SJU     1st    H40    13:06     Punt    V00    11:40    *    TOUCHDOWN    5-60    1:26    #
SJU     1st    V38    10:18     Punt    V00    07:30    *    TOUCHDOWN    6-38    2:48    #
SJU     1st    V49    04:39     Inter   V00    04:31    *    TOUCHDOWN    1-49    0:08     
SJU     1st    H38    02:57     Punt    V00    01:20    *    TOUCHDOWN    4-62    1:37     
SJU     1st    H39    00:11     Punt    H47    14:20         Punt    3-8    0:51     
SJU     2nd    H45    09:05     Inter    V00    04:55    *    TOUCHDOWN    9-55    4:10    #
SJU     2nd    V49    02:21     Kickoff    V00    01:45    *    TOUCHDOWN    3-49    0:36     
SJU     2nd    V00    00:05     Kickoff    V00    00:05    *    TOUCHDOWN    0-0    0:00    

He must have been benched after that three-and-out.  Damn right, I say.

[AO]

I think "Larry" has a new moniker on SCTimes chats.

Comment From Pool Play
Bungum was wide open on several plays against Hamline and Martin didn't throw to him. Don't you think they need to get both Bungum and Clark with his speed much more involved in the passing game?

The Johnnies first 8 drives against Hamline.  (Martin was only in for the first 5)  Looks like everybody was open.

SJU     1st    H40    13:06     Punt    V00    11:40    *    TOUCHDOWN    5-60    1:26    #
SJU     1st    V38    10:18     Punt    V00    07:30    *    TOUCHDOWN    6-38    2:48    #
SJU     1st    V49    04:39     Inter   V00    04:31    *    TOUCHDOWN    1-49    0:08     
SJU     1st    H38    02:57     Punt    V00    01:20    *    TOUCHDOWN    4-62    1:37     
SJU     1st    H39    00:11     Punt    H47    14:20         Punt    3-8    0:51     
SJU     2nd    H45    09:05     Inter    V00    04:55    *    TOUCHDOWN    9-55    4:10    #
SJU     2nd    V49    02:21     Kickoff    V00    01:45    *    TOUCHDOWN    3-49    0:36     
SJU     2nd    V00    00:05     Kickoff    V00    00:05    *    TOUCHDOWN    0-0    0:00    

He must have been benched after that three-and-out.  Damn right, I say.

whoops, Martin's last possession was the 6th.  so 5 TDs in 6 possessions.  time to look for a new qb.

[hazzben]

This year certainly isn't any different than years past, and all teams seem to have some, so this question isn't pointed at anyone's alliances, but what does everyone think about transfers coming in from higher level programs being able to keep their red-shirt year and extend their eligibility?  I understand this is playing within the NCAA rules, but it seems to be against the spirit of D3 athletics which are normally at four year institutions.  Any thoughts on this?

I'm fine with it. I like that d3 doesn't allow redshirts. I wish they would make rules against grey shirting (quite frankly, it seems against the spirit of the rules and the division), but I have no idea how they'd be able to enforce them.

As for transfers, I'm fine with it. I don't want to penalize a kid who decides he isn't a good fit at a D2, FCS or FBS schools from transferring to D3. And that's really exactly what you'd be doing. It would discourage kids to transfer to D3. If I was a player thinking of transferring and knew that going D3 meant I couldn't get my redshirt year back, it would significantly influence me against the decision.

I'm also really glad the MIAC now accepts transfers getting their redshirt year back. It was a disadvantage when competitive conferences around us allowed guys to keep them and we didn't.

Football is unique in that 99.9% of D3 players will never play another down of the game they love once their college careers are over. In soccer, golf, baseball, basketball, etc. there are ample opportunities to continue playing the sport recreationally. That's just not the case for football. So I favor letting kids get as many years playing college football as they can.

[2115 Summit]

I call it now: Tommies beat Concordia and Bethel, win the MIAC.

Not unless UST can figure out how to play 4 quarters of football and STOP COMMITTING STUPID PENALTIES.

Personal fouls, false starts, holding penalties, a tight end that got drilled in the ear hole because he wasn't looking for a pass, not being ready for an onside kick.

After jumping out to a 28 - 0 lead in the first quarter we absolutely slept walked through the rest of the game. I felt like the defense was on the field for 90% of the second half. Tip of the hat to Augsburg because they showed a lot of heart. Scott was taking some brutal shots and kept getting back out there. Sonnenfeld absolutely had his way with our secondary. He may be the best WR in the MIAC.

The one thing I did like was Kaiser shouldering the bulk of the carries and getting Waldvogel in space a bit more often. But UST had better develop a killer instinct quick or they could easily go 7-3/6-4.

Agreed. The defense was a machine during the first half, but they were on the field way too long in the second. I don't get all the penalties this year and to a lesser degree last year. I'm not looking at data, but it feels like our numbers are through the roof compared to 2011 and 2012. Nerves? Lack of discipline? That being said, I think the refs were getting a little ridiculousness toward the end of the game on Saturday. One of the scariest aspects of that game, though, was watching O'Connell go cold. He's done it a couple of times this season and if we weren't up by 28, it could have been disastrous. Also, kudos to Augsburg for making the second half a nail-biter.

Just my two cents worth.....
Even with all this said, I'm not the least bit worried about UST's 1st team defense playing well.  The last drive of the first half the auggies marched down the field on alot of UST's second and third team defense. Not suprising UST gave up that score, however, the ability to march right down after and having Graupner kick a 43 yarder in 30 seconds of time to me shows some promise of a kicker gaining some confidence back.  'fingers crossed tho'

I think the second half is a misleading one, after the half way point of the third quarter, St. Thomas went up 45-7, stopped playing their first team offense, and began playing alot of second and third team personel at multipule defensive positions. These second and third teamers to me, looked to be a couple steps slow in their reads and play (which is why at this point they are second and third teamers - TBD Tho) and gave the Auggies alot ability to make plays which showed on the final scoreboard.

The errors you bring up BENCH are definetly a concern for me as well. Way, way too many penalty's and dumb mistakes, TE's not looking for passes, second team offense unable to move the ball, dropped ball by punter, and a ball to the head on KR team.  I also have concerns about this team possibly going 7-3.  And to your point REVEREND is how hit or miss the QB's play is this late in the season and the penalty yards committed each game.

However, My Kudos to Augsburg for capitalizing as well! That QB showed alot of Grit and Guts!

My only point of contention to your analysis is that there were plenty of 1st teamers or guys that receive enough reps to where they could be considered major contributors playing well into the second half, and not playing disciplined football.

I agree with you,...Alot of very capable players not playing good sound football.

[2115 Summit]

This year certainly isn't any different than years past, and all teams seem to have some, so this question isn't pointed at anyone's alliances, but what does everyone think about transfers coming in from higher level programs being able to keep their red-shirt year and extend their eligibility?  I understand this is playing within the NCAA rules, but it seems to be against the spirit of D3 athletics which are normally at four year institutions.  Any thoughts on this?

I'm fine with it. I like that d3 doesn't allow redshirts. I wish they would make rules against grey shirting (quite frankly, it seems against the spirit of the rules and the division), but I have no idea how they'd be able to enforce them.

As for transfers, I'm fine with it. I don't want to penalize a kid who decides he isn't a good fit at a D2, FCS or FBS schools from transferring to D3. And that's really exactly what you'd be doing. It would discourage kids to transfer to D3. If I was a player thinking of transferring and knew that going D3 meant I couldn't get my redshirt year back, it would significantly influence me against the decision.

I'm also really glad the MIAC now accepts transfers getting their redshirt year back. It was a disadvantage when competitive conferences around us allowed guys to keep them and we didn't.

Football is unique in that 99.9% of D3 players will never play another down of the game they love once their college careers are over. In soccer, golf, baseball, basketball, etc. there are ample opportunities to continue playing the sport recreationally. That's just not the case for football. So I favor letting kids get as many years playing college football as they can.

I'm not sure why this matters anyways. As a D3 player, can you just enroll at your college of choice, lift weights with the team, attend practices without participatng, and just play the following year? Not sure what Greyshirting is?
But I too I'm fine with Redshirt transfers saving a year of eligibility when dropping to D3. At least for the MIAC it has made alot of teams more competitive. I'm also in favor of D3 not allowing redshirts.

[emma17]

My understanding with grey shirts is that they cannot participate in any football program sponsored activity. So I think they sit out a season like a redshirt would without losing eligibility, but they don't gain the valuable practice and workout participation.

[MadRedFan]

My understanding with grey shirts is that they cannot participate in any football program sponsored activity. So I think they sit out a season like a redshirt would without losing eligibility, but they don't gain the valuable practice and workout participation.

Here's a good explanation.

While both recipients of grey and red shirts attend classes at a school before participating in football games, the difference is in the player-to-be's time of enrollment:
Via John Mackovic of The Desert Sun: "Grey shirt is a term used to designate an incoming freshman who waits until the second semester to enroll rather than the fall. College athletes are allowed a five year calendar to play four seasons. The calendar begins once one is enrolled. By waiting until the spring to start college, a player will be playing his last season in the sixth year after high school rather than the fifth. " In contrast, infoplease.com explains that "When a player is given the "red-shirt" designation by his or her coach, that means he or she has participated in a college's academic year, but did not participate during that year's sports season. Most likely a "red-shirt freshman" in college football is a sophomore in college who practiced with the team his first year, but did not play in any games (at the coach's request), or was seriously injured during his first season." By redshirting, a player gains an opportunity to learn schemes and techniques, rehabilitate an injury, learn a new position and/or physically develop without losing a year of eligibility.

So, a grey shirt doesn't enroll until January after his senior year.  Probably not as big a deal in D3 since the spring practice isn't as big a deal.  But could be done.

[Pat Coleman]

That looks like a D-I definition and isn't really the same as what goes on in D-III.

[sjusection105]

That looks like a D-I definition and isn't really the same as what goes on in D-III.

Is this thread what you had in mind Pat?
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3735.0

[art76]

That looks like a D-I definition and isn't really the same as what goes on in D-III.

Is this thread what you had in mind Pat?
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3735.0

Following this thread with some interest. Does anyone have the skinny on what the NCAA "Rulebook" actually says? I ask, because the discussion may be moot.

I'll speak to what I knew back when I was playing and needed to find out so I didn't cost BU any games. I transferred in to BU from a non-football school with an AA degree. I was immediately eligible to play and didn't have to sit out a semester, which was the rule back then if you came in from any school without a degree.  So if guys wanted to transfer without a degree, they did it in the spring so they spent their spring semester in the new school so they would be eligible in the fall. Additionally, the rules back then were you could play 4 seasons in 5 years of school. You could call it red shirt, grey shirt, one shirt, two shirt - whatever you wanted, with pardons to Dr. Seuss. For myself, I was able to play three seasons because of the rule.

Not sure how setting out a semester or two would affect your FAFSA or other financial aid package as a non-sports scholarship student athlete these days. In one sense I guess it really isn't any different than young men enlisting in the armed services and then starting college after serving our country. Again, this is a personal response, but in the first full year of college (not playing football) just running and lifting to stay in shape I put on over 45 pounds of muscle. Simply put, I grew/matured, whatever you want to call it. I blossomed later than other guys. It was a hoot to go back to high school events 2 years after graduating because no one recognized me. And now I was big enough to play in college but had no chance at a D1 or D2 school.

FWIW, I think there are rules so kids like me have a chance to play for four years. Obviously rules can be abused, but is that the kind of program you want your sons or nephews playing for? I suspect those coaches with questionable motives work themselves out of jobs eventually. Just a personal response to the thread.

[Pat Coleman]

That looks like a D-I definition and isn't really the same as what goes on in D-III.

Is this thread what you had in mind Pat?
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3735.0

Wow, ancient board! I was pretty snippy nine years ago.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EM'S

Name	W1	W2	W3	W4	W5	W6	W7	W8	W9	W10	W11	Overall
art76	15	15	6	10	10	11	-	-	-	-	-	67
wm4	12	15	6	14	8	6	-	-	-	-	-	61
ChicagoTommie	10	15	10	16	7	1	-	-	-	-	-	58
OA	14	6	9	11	7	11	-	-	-	-	-	58
GoldandBlueBU	11	13	9	8	11	5	-	-	-	-	-	57
02 Warhawk	11	10	6	13	7	8	-	-	-	-	-	55
AlmostEx	11	15	7	9	7	5	-	-	-	-	-	54
jayhawkdaddy	13	17	4	7	11	2	-	-	-	-	-	54
OzJohnnie	10	5	9	11	5	12	-	-	-	-	-	52
desertcat1	-	17	9	16	7	2	-	-	-	-	-	51
finsleft	12	10	7	8	9	4	-	-	-	-	-	50
mr_mom	8	7	6	14	11	3	-	-	-	-	-	49
repete	9	14	8	5	12	1	-	-	-	-	-	49
sju56321	13	8	7	8	8	5	-	-	-	-	-	49
FCGrizzliesGrad	6	8	9	10	5	8	-	-	-	-	-	46
AO	4	18	2	8	10	3	-	-	-	-	-	45
Capn34	13	13	7	9	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	42
Captain_Joe08	7	13	8	1	10	1	-	-	-	-	-	40
USTBench	9	9	3	12	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	39
miacmaniac	5	9	12	3	9	-	-	-	-	-	-	38
OldAuggie	5	15	10	1	-	5	-	-	-	-	-	36
hazzben	9	7	-	8	10	1	-	-	-	-	-	35

Week 7 October 18

Trophy Game: 4pts
St. Olaf (+7.5) @ Carleton "The Goat"

Conference: 3pts
#22 St. John's @ Gustavus (+10.5)
#21 Concordia @ Augsburg (+20.5)
#23 St. Thomas @ Hamline (+28.5)

Non-Conference: 2pts
Chicago (+21.5) @ #11 Bethel

West Region: 1pt
#13 UW-Stevens Point (+3.5) @ #14 UW-Platteville
Greenville (+5.5) @ Northwestern

National: 1pt
Emory and Henry (+14.5) @ #25 Hampden-Sydney

[hazzben]

MIAC PICK-EM'S

hazzben

9

7

-

8

10

1

-

-

-

-

-

35

I'm so good at pick-em's right now it's just scary. 

Feel free to use my picks as the anti-cheat sheet. Pick the opposite and you'll be all but guaranteed a top 5 finish for the week.

[RoyalsFan]

I call it now: Tommies beat Concordia and Bethel, win the MIAC.

I guess I will make my own prediction now so I can say I called it in case it does come true. 

Bethel goes undefeated in the MIAC for the second year in a row.