FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DuffMan]

If it gets ugly early, it'll most likely be due to Sura having ran roughshod over Carleton. They kinda go hand-in-hand.

Right, but they're not going to keep pounding him for 3+ quarters is what I'm saying.

[sjusection105]

The Johnnies have a case for all 3 MIAC Player of the Week Honors

Offense- Sam Sura 205 yards, 2 TD. I believe the first 1,000 yard rusher of the season in the MIAC

Defense- Andrew Norri 9 solo tackles, 2 Int. & 2 pass break-ups.

Special Teams- Trevor Warner returns a blocked PAT 97 yards and 2 points later to turn what would have been a tied game (with successful GAC PAT) to a 3 point SJU lead. This was a huge momentum swing.

I guess we will all learn what the committee says on Monday afternoon.

Well, 2 out of 3 ain't bad
http://miacathletics.com/sports/fball/2014-15/aow/102014_AOW

[Retired Old Rat]

Is that what Meatloaf was singing about?

[RoyalsFan]

Concordia wins out – they go to the finals as a Pool C bid if Bethel wins out. If BU loses a game and they win out, they go to finals as conference champs. They lose another game and they may get into the playoffs, but probably not.

I'm not that familiar with the playoff tie breakers so I'm asking. If Concordia wins out and BU loses 1 conference game then they would both have 1 conference loss. Based on your statement it sounds like they take overall record as the tie breaker including non conference games to determine the MIAC playoff team (and not use head-to-head for tie breaker) as Bethel would have 2 losses and Concordia only 1, correct?

[RoyalsFan]

U$T vs BU this Saturday....which team do SJU fans root for in this one?  I wish they both could lose  but the closest thing to that is tie.  Which outcome is more beneficial to the Johnnies?

Not only can they not both lose, but they also can't tie. 

[Robert Zimmerman]

Thanks Frank for all the great SJU coverage!  You will be missed.

http://www.sctimes.com/story/sports/2014/10/20/frank-rajkowski-final-sports-column/17645377/

[art76]

Concordia wins out – they go to the finals as a Pool C bid if Bethel wins out. If BU loses a game and they win out, they go to finals as conference champs. They lose another game and they may get into the playoffs, but probably not.

I'm not that familiar with the playoff tie breakers so I'm asking. If Concordia wins out and BU loses 1 conference game then they would both have 1 conference loss. Based on your statement it sounds like they take overall record as the tie breaker including non conference games to determine the MIAC playoff team (and not use head-to-head for tie breaker) as Bethel would have 2 losses and Concordia only 1, correct?

Took a little digging but here is the link: http://www.miacathletics.com/about/resources/administrators/policies/Football1415.pdf

And specifically:

6.0 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
6.1 HOW DECIDED: The championship in football will be determined on a point basis ‐‐ one (1) point per win,
based on the approved round‐robin schedule.
6.1.1 POLICY FOR TIE BREAKER: Ties will be broken in order to select the automatic qualifier to the NCAA playoffs
as follows: (revised 5/2012, 5/09, added 5/99)
1. Head‐to‐Head winner among all teams tied
2. Results against teams not tied as the league leaders in descending order after the tied teams
3. Point differential between tied team
4. Team not in the NCAA playoffs most recently (If a tie still remains, result of head‐to‐head competition
between the remaining tied teams will receive the automatic bid.)
5. Highest Massey Rating
6. Coin Flip
6.2 The MIAC recognizes multiple champions.

So, to answer your question directly, conference records are all that matters in deciding conference champions. Co-champions are a possibility. Picking which team goes into the playoffs is decided using the above information. If all 9 teams all play one another, then it comes down to point differential in the games between the tied teams. If they had exactly the same differential, then it goes to the team that has been out of the play-offs the longest. I cannot see it ever having to be decided by a coin flip.

[AO]

MIAC PICK-EMS
WEEK 7 STANDINGS

Name	W1	W2	W3	W4	W5	W6	W7	W8	W9	W10	W11	Overall
art76	15	15	6	10	10	11	14	-	-	-	-	81
wm4	12	15	6	14	8	6	17	-	-	-	-	78
ChicagoTommie	10	15	10	16	7	1	12	-	-	-	-	71
02 Warhawk	11	10	6	13	7	8	13	-	-	-	-	68
GoldandBlueBU	11	13	9	8	11	5	10	-	-	-	-	67
OzJohnnie	10	5	9	11	5	12	14	-	-	-	-	66
repete	9	14	8	5	12	1	14	-	-	-	-	63
jayhawkdaddy	13	17	4	7	11	2	8	-	-	-	-	62
OA	14	6	9	11	7	11	4	-	-	-	-	62
AlmostEx	11	15	7	9	7	5	7	-	-	-	-	61
mr_mom	8	7	6	14	11	3	12	-	-	-	-	61
sju56321	13	8	7	8	8	5	11	-	-	-	-	60
desertcat1	-	17	9	16	7	2	8	-	-	-	-	59
FCGrizzliesGrad	6	8	9	10	5	8	13	-	-	-	-	59
finsleft	12	10	7	8	9	4	7	-	-	-	-	57
AO	4	18	2	8	10	3	10	-	-	-	-	55
hazzben	9	7	-	8	10	1	15	-	-	-	-	50
miacmaniac	5	9	12	3	9	-	10	-	-	-	-	48
OldAuggie	5	15	10	1	-	5	11	-	-	-	-	47
Capn34	13	13	7	9	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	42
Captain_Joe08	7	13	8	1	10	1	-	-	-	-	-	40
USTBench	9	9	3	12	6	-	-	-	-	-	-	39

Week 8 October 25

Conference: 3pts
#22 St. Thomas (+6.5) @ #11 Bethel
Carleton (+28.5) @ #21 St. John's
Hamline (+28.5) @ #20 Concordia
Augsburg @ St. Olaf (+21.5)

West Region: 1pt
Central (+3.5) @ Coe

National: 1pt
#12 North Central @ #17 Wheaton (+12.5)

[retagent]

Is the Executive Editor, John Bodette, the same John Bodette that was a classmate of mine who is a '72 Johnnie grad?

[repete]

Yup.

[OzJohnnie]

(Just quietly, someone is charging to the front from way back again this year.  Let's see if this horse can catch leader at the post rather than being nipped at the line again.)

[ExTartanPlayer]

Bethel wins out – they go to playoffs as conference champs. They lose any one conference game and they are on the bubble – may get into the playoffs, but probably not – only if the other one loss teams knock each other down to two losses.

The MIAC race is going to be a fun ride.  I just wanted to comment on one thing here...while wally_wabash is the resident Pool C projection expert (check out his work in the General Football sub-forum), even a two-loss Bethel could be an exceptionally strong Pool C candidate (although no two-loss team can ever feel truly safe in Pool C) as long as Wartburg and Chicago keep winning.  They'll have a terrific SOS thanks to the MIAC's sterling nonconference record combined with Wartburg's potential 10-0 season and Chicago's likely finishing 8-1 or 7-2.  If both teams win out (the North region is a mess after the first 6 teams; an 8-1 Chicago would definitely make it into the RR's), Bethel will have the big SOS plus a 1-1 record against regionally ranked opponents before even considering which MIAC teams make it into the final RR's...point being, they'd be about the strongest possible 8-2 Pool C candidate.

I don't think any of the other MIAC teams would have quite the same resume at 8-2.

[RoyalsFan]

Took a little digging but here is the link: http://www.miacathletics.com/about/resources/administrators/policies/Football1415.pdf

And specifically:

6.0 CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP
6.1 HOW DECIDED: The championship in football will be determined on a point basis ‐‐ one (1) point per win,
based on the approved round‐robin schedule.
6.1.1 POLICY FOR TIE BREAKER: Ties will be broken in order to select the automatic qualifier to the NCAA playoffs
as follows: (revised 5/2012, 5/09, added 5/99)
1. Head‐to‐Head winner among all teams tied
2. Results against teams not tied as the league leaders in descending order after the tied teams
3. Point differential between tied team
4. Team not in the NCAA playoffs most recently (If a tie still remains, result of head‐to‐head competition
between the remaining tied teams will receive the automatic bid.)
5. Highest Massey Rating
6. Coin Flip
6.2 The MIAC recognizes multiple champions.

So, to answer your question directly, conference records are all that matters in deciding conference champions. Co-champions are a possibility. Picking which team goes into the playoffs is decided using the above information. If all 9 teams all play one another, then it comes down to point differential in the games between the tied teams. If they had exactly the same differential, then it goes to the team that has been out of the play-offs the longest. I cannot see it ever having to be decided by a coin flip.

So maybe I misunderstood your earlier post of: Concordia wins out – they go to the finals as a Pool C bid if Bethel wins out. If BU loses a game and they win out, they go to finals as conference champs. They lose another game and they may get into the playoffs, but probably not.

I was assuming the 'theys' were both referring to Concordia. In that scenario, then BU goes as conference champs since they would have the 1st tie breaker. Was the second 'they' actually referring to BU then?

[sjusection105]

RoyalsFan-

Here is the Reader's Digest version.

BU wins out, the are in as MIAC Champs,. With another loss they are a strong candidate for Pool C, but Pool C is a very fluid situation & a lot can change on the fly.

If SJU wins out , they need to hope CCM loses another game.

If CCM wins out, they need to hope BU drops 2.

If UST wins out, they need to hope SJU drops another game

This year does not look favorable for the MIAC getting 2 teams in,but BU has the highest probability of getting in with 2 losses.

Forget about all the tie-breakers & just concentrate on winning each week,then see where the chips fall at the end of the year.

[faunch]

RoyalsFan-

Here is the Reader's Digest version.

BU wins out, the are in as MIAC Champs,. With another loss they are a strong candidate for Pool C, but Pool C is a very fluid situation & a lot can change on the fly.

If SJU wins out , they need to hope CCM loses another game.

If CCM wins out, they need to hope BU drops 2.

If UST wins out, they need to hope SJU drops another game

This year does not look favorable for the MIAC getting 2 teams in,but BU has the highest probability of getting in with 2 losses.

Forget about all the tie-breakers & just concentrate on winning each week,then see where the chips fall at the end of the year.

My wishes for the 4 upcoming Saturdays:
U$T defeats BU and SJU defeats Carleton
U$T defeats CC and SJU defeats Augs
SJU defeats BU
SJU defeats SO

Goodnight