FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Mr.MIAC]

To get things fired up early for the All Blacks match later this week, I'll pose a question to you all about a minor controversy brewing. A recent article on Rugby Wrap Up argued Americans attending the match, regardless of actual allegiances, should not wear All Blacks gear. The author thinks it will send the wrong message to team USA and the viewing public. The message being, rugby is something foreign and unpopular in America. He wants everyone to wear red, white, and blue for just one day. Some commentators have gone as far as calling the wear of All Blacks gear unpatriotic. The match is sold out and there will be lots of folks watching on television. It's likely to be the biggest rugby match ever played on American soil. I'm willing to bet most Americans attending the match are All Blacks fans, as they're widely considered the best team in the world. What say you?

Link: http://rugbywrapup.com/2014/10/no-ferns-allowed-one-rule-for-usa-vs-nz

It's an international test.  Your allegiance was determined by your birth.   Any Yank wearing black isn't a ruby fan but a poseur.

So what happens if you're 100% Dutch and the USMNT is playing the Orange in Soccer (a friendly or the World Cup).

Seriously, I've always rooted for the Netherlands and haven't had to pic and choose. It'd be tough. Not the least for the tension Rev is feeling...his favorite team is far superior to his national team. This past World Cup I was going nuts for both, but as Holland got further once again, the intensity and loyalty continued deeper into the tourney.

In my defense, at least I have some genetics (and decades of familial, community and high school indoctrination) causing my torn loyalties. If it ever comes to pass, I'd guess I'd cheer for team USA 

Cue Oz calling me a pansy for being a soccer fan in the first place 

Along these lines, a point others have made is that the author implies all Americans were born in the United States, a nation of mostly immigrants. What should people do if they were born in NZ and emigrated to the USA?

[BDB]

First day back at work.  Sucks.

Ha! Got to happen Oz. But I bet your co-workers missed you and are happy you are back. 

Yeah.  They're overjoyed.

Hmmm..I see what you mean.

[jknezek]

To get things fired up early for the All Blacks match later this week, I'll pose a question to you all about a minor controversy brewing. A recent article on Rugby Wrap Up argued Americans attending the match, regardless of actual allegiances, should not wear All Blacks gear. The author thinks it will send the wrong message to team USA and the viewing public. The message being, rugby is something foreign and unpopular in America. He wants everyone to wear red, white, and blue for just one day. Some commentators have gone as far as calling the wear of All Blacks gear unpatriotic. The match is sold out and there will be lots of folks watching on television. It's likely to be the biggest rugby match ever played on American soil. I'm willing to bet most Americans attending the match are All Blacks fans, as they're widely considered the best team in the world. What say you?

Link: http://rugbywrapup.com/2014/10/no-ferns-allowed-one-rule-for-usa-vs-nz

It's an international test.  Your allegiance was determined by your birth.   Any Yank wearing black isn't a ruby fan but a poseur.

So what happens if you're 100% Dutch and the USMNT is playing the Orange in Soccer (a friendly or the World Cup).

Seriously, I've always rooted for the Netherlands and haven't had to pic and choose. It'd be tough. Not the least for the tension Rev is feeling...his favorite team is far superior to his national team. This past World Cup I was going nuts for both, but as Holland got further once again, the intensity and loyalty continued deeper into the tourney.

In my defense, at least I have some genetics (and decades of familial, community and high school indoctrination) causing my torn loyalties. If it ever comes to pass, I'd guess I'd cheer for team USA 

Cue Oz calling me a pansy for being a soccer fan in the first place 

Along these lines, a point others have made is that the author implies all Americans were born in the United States, a nation of mostly immigrants. What should people do if they were born in NZ and emigrated to the USA?

The USA is NOT a nation of mostly immigrants. We are a nation that was founded by immigrants, but the vast, vast, vast majority of current American citizens were born in the USA and do not have dual passports.

[Boys of Fall]

I think where Hazz is going with this is that since soccer, and rugby, aren't really American sports it's okay for American's to cheer for their lineage.

[Mr.MIAC]

To get things fired up early for the All Blacks match later this week, I'll pose a question to you all about a minor controversy brewing. A recent article on Rugby Wrap Up argued Americans attending the match, regardless of actual allegiances, should not wear All Blacks gear. The author thinks it will send the wrong message to team USA and the viewing public. The message being, rugby is something foreign and unpopular in America. He wants everyone to wear red, white, and blue for just one day. Some commentators have gone as far as calling the wear of All Blacks gear unpatriotic. The match is sold out and there will be lots of folks watching on television. It's likely to be the biggest rugby match ever played on American soil. I'm willing to bet most Americans attending the match are All Blacks fans, as they're widely considered the best team in the world. What say you?

Link: http://rugbywrapup.com/2014/10/no-ferns-allowed-one-rule-for-usa-vs-nz

It's an international test.  Your allegiance was determined by your birth.   Any Yank wearing black isn't a ruby fan but a poseur.

So what happens if you're 100% Dutch and the USMNT is playing the Orange in Soccer (a friendly or the World Cup).

Seriously, I've always rooted for the Netherlands and haven't had to pic and choose. It'd be tough. Not the least for the tension Rev is feeling...his favorite team is far superior to his national team. This past World Cup I was going nuts for both, but as Holland got further once again, the intensity and loyalty continued deeper into the tourney.

In my defense, at least I have some genetics (and decades of familial, community and high school indoctrination) causing my torn loyalties. If it ever comes to pass, I'd guess I'd cheer for team USA 

Cue Oz calling me a pansy for being a soccer fan in the first place 

Along these lines, a point others have made is that the author implies all Americans were born in the United States, a nation of mostly immigrants. What should people do if they were born in NZ and emigrated to the USA?

The USA is NOT a nation of mostly immigrants. We are a nation that was founded by immigrants, but the vast, vast, vast majority of current American citizens were born in the USA and do not have dual passports.

Oops, I meant nation of immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Basically everyone besides Native Americans. We're talking about this NZ v. USA match, but this could apply to other sporting events throughout our history.

[retagent]

Since I was born in America, I consider myself a Native American. Are we going to change definitions of words again?

[OzJohnnie]

Oops, I meant nation of immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Basically everyone besides Native Americans. We're talking about this NZ v. USA match, but this could apply to other sporting events throughout our history.

Sigh.  American Exceptionalism: a country established on principle rather than tribalism.  And yet here we are arguing that because we don't have an ethnic fabric, we have no fabric at all.  Nationalism - it's so 18th century.  Listen to Abe.  He would wear the Red, White and Blue every day of the week.

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battlefield of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.

But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate, we can not consecrate, we can not hallow this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

[sjusection105]

New Zealand is a country founded settled by immigrants, so now we've brought this conversation full circle.

I'm with reagent- I was born in the United States,as were four generations before me, so yep I'm a Native American.

[OzJohnnie]

[DuffMan]

So, is anyone tailgating at Auggie Tech on Saturday? 

[sju56321]

I will be at the SJU v Bethel game next week, as my son is meeting with football coaches on Friday and with the admissions staff.
Hopefully SJU wins Saturday.

[BDB]

This quarterback is no genius:

http://www.kfan.com/onair/the-power-trip-12367/high-school-football-team-suffers-devastating-12917673

Fast forward to 46:30 mark.

[57Johnnie]

Lot of action on the poll at the top

[hazzben]

I will be at the SJU v Bethel game next week, as my son is meeting with football coaches on Friday and with the admissions staff.

Have him tell Coach J high for me. And hopefully he enjoys his meeting with Scotty Kirchoff (as the admissions football liaison). 

[hazzben]

This quarterback is no genius:

http://www.kfan.com/onair/the-power-trip-12367/high-school-football-team-suffers-devastating-12917673

Fast forward to 46:30 mark.

Brutal! #10 is gonna have nightmares about that for a long time. Hopefully he's not a senior, though it looks like he may be a basketball player, at least judging by his clock management philosophy!