FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[RoyalsFan]

Which is that Bethel would have had a much better chance of getting the Pool C bid if they hadn't played Wartburg and instead played a weaker non conference opponent, even taking the loss to Augsburg into account (which we all know had extenuating circumstances with the weather/field conditions). I'm just pointing out that SOS doesn't have as much influence as overall win/loss record, so it would be more advantageous to play weaker non conference opponents as far as playoff implications are concerned.

Bull****.  Weather conditions, shmeather conditions.  Losing to a six-loss team in Week 11 gets you uninvited in Pool C.

8-2 Bethel (assuming that they'd beaten Auggie) with giant SOS, OOC results: loss to 10-0 Wartburg, win over 8-1 Chicago...probably was getting in.

8-2 Bethel that never plays Wartburg, has OOC results: win over 8-1 Chicago and random 5-5 IIAC team, and loses to Auggie in week 11...no effing way.

I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with it. We all know that bad field conditions level the playing field and give the underdog a better chance to win. And it's not like Augsburg crushed Bethel, it basically came down to a missed 2 point conversion in overtime. If Bethel had converted that single play, we wouldn't be discussing this. 

[D3MAFAN]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

This board proves time and time again that everyone likes to shovel.

There are two kinds of people in this world...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1711jiiRtM

Classic! +K

[Mr.MIAC]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

I've received clearance from the wife to head back to MN for a UST/SJU rematch IF both teams were to make it to the second round. I know the traditional method for Johnnies has been to pile the whole family on the John Deere, take it slow, and soak up the sights along the way to Collegeville. However, for us Tommies, would it be easier to fly into the Twin Cities and drive up or fly into a closer regional airport with the added burden of an indirect flight?

[DuffMan]

I could recommend some nice, flat, vacant stretches of rural Stearns county roads that you could land your G650 on.  That'd be the best option.

[Mr.MIAC]

I could recommend some nice, flat, vacant stretches of rural Stearns county roads that you could land your G650 on.  That'd be the best option.

Doesn't really help, but +K.

[hazzben]

Duff,  are you going to sit there & take this? Obviously he forgets #72 for SJU 1999-2002 

It's bad enough to get looked over by the selection committees for all-conference, all-region, and all-American teams, but this latest slap-in-the-face by Hazzben really hurts. 

Don't worry Duff, you are definitely on the All Hazzben D3posters team. That's a way more distinguished award. Some past Tommie honorees have been known to get a tattoo to commemorate the occasion:

[GoldandBlueBU]

Prediction #1 for this week:  SJU falls just short of a Double Monkey Stompout.  41-0.

Prediction #2 for this week: St Scholastica takes this as a learning exercise.  Kind of like how Iron Mike taught Marvis Frazier a thing or two.

I was going to say that maybe CSS is better equipped to handle a first round opponent since their 2011, 49 - 2 drubbing by UST, but then I see a 55 - 10 loss to UWO in 2012 and a 70 - 13 loss to Bethel last year. So, yeah, it'll probably be pretty ugly. Perhaps the UMAC should consider Division IV football.

Also, Hamline beat a playoff team. Scots probably won't have too much fun in Whitewater this weekend.

I'd forgotten how poorly CSS's playoff appearances had gone since the UMAC got an auto-bid.

174 - 25 margin thus far, and I'd guess the SJU game will be somewhere around 49-10, since Coach Fasching won't want to demolish his former co-worker too badly, which would make for a margin of 223 - 35 over 4 appearances.

Yikes.

[CobberHawkeye]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

I've received clearance from the wife to head back to MN for a UST/SJU rematch IF both teams were to make it to the second round. I know the traditional method for Johnnies has been to pile the whole family on the John Deere, take it slow, and soak up the sights along the way to Collegeville. However, for us Tommies, would it be easier to fly into the Twin Cities and drive up or fly into a closer regional airport with the added burden of an indirect flight?

You could take this:

[Mr.MIAC]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

I've received clearance from the wife to head back to MN for a UST/SJU rematch IF both teams were to make it to the second round. I know the traditional method for Johnnies has been to pile the whole family on the John Deere, take it slow, and soak up the sights along the way to Collegeville. However, for us Tommies, would it be easier to fly into the Twin Cities and drive up or fly into a closer regional airport with the added burden of an indirect flight?

You could take this:

I could do, but don't want to be accused of going native...

[OldAuggie]

Which is that Bethel would have had a much better chance of getting the Pool C bid if they hadn't played Wartburg and instead played a weaker non conference opponent, even taking the loss to Augsburg into account (which we all know had extenuating circumstances with the weather/field conditions). I'm just pointing out that SOS doesn't have as much influence as overall win/loss record, so it would be more advantageous to play weaker non conference opponents as far as playoff implications are concerned.

Bull****.  Weather conditions, shmeather conditions.  Losing to a six-loss team in Week 11 gets you uninvited in Pool C.

8-2 Bethel (assuming that they'd beaten Auggie) with giant SOS, OOC results: loss to 10-0 Wartburg, win over 8-1 Chicago...probably was getting in.

8-2 Bethel that never plays Wartburg, has OOC results: win over 8-1 Chicago and random 5-5 IIAC team, and loses to Auggie in week 11...no effing way.

I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with it. We all know that bad field conditions level the playing field and give the underdog a better chance to win. And it's not like Augsburg crushed Bethel, it basically came down to a missed 2 point conversion in overtime. If Bethel had converted that single play, we wouldn't be discussing this.

The camera zoomed in on those sweet running shoes that Bethel was wearing. I assume the shoes were not enough or maybe they can blame the shoes as well as the field conditions. Sorry, I am not an excuse guy. Maybe it is my age but coaches throughout the years drilled in to our heads the lameness of using an excuse. Everybody has one, they just don't count.

[CobberHawkeye]

I wish the Johnnies well in their playoff endeavors. We Tommie folk might not have to get out and shovel the field, as we pay people to do that bit. However, in this post-season run, we are going to have to take it one day at a time.

Don't you have to do well enough to actually host a game to need to shovel?

I've received clearance from the wife to head back to MN for a UST/SJU rematch IF both teams were to make it to the second round. I know the traditional method for Johnnies has been to pile the whole family on the John Deere, take it slow, and soak up the sights along the way to Collegeville. However, for us Tommies, would it be easier to fly into the Twin Cities and drive up or fly into a closer regional airport with the added burden of an indirect flight?

You could take this:

I could do, but don't want to be accused of going native...

Someone has missed the metaphor.....

[RoyalsFan]

Someone has missed the metaphor.....

Obviously - I'll help Reverend MIAC out - something about a cart before the horse. 

[OzJohnnie]

If somehow the Tommies get past Warburg then I think this is the wagon we'll see rumbling into collegeville.



(PS.  I really wish we didn't have the chance of playing UST in week two as it makes it impossible for me to concentrate on week one.)

[ExTartanPlayer]

Which is that Bethel would have had a much better chance of getting the Pool C bid if they hadn't played Wartburg and instead played a weaker non conference opponent, even taking the loss to Augsburg into account (which we all know had extenuating circumstances with the weather/field conditions). I'm just pointing out that SOS doesn't have as much influence as overall win/loss record, so it would be more advantageous to play weaker non conference opponents as far as playoff implications are concerned.

Bull****.  Weather conditions, shmeather conditions.  Losing to a six-loss team in Week 11 gets you uninvited in Pool C.

8-2 Bethel (assuming that they'd beaten Auggie) with giant SOS, OOC results: loss to 10-0 Wartburg, win over 8-1 Chicago...probably was getting in.

8-2 Bethel that never plays Wartburg, has OOC results: win over 8-1 Chicago and random 5-5 IIAC team, and loses to Auggie in week 11...no effing way.

I guess you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't agree with it. We all know that bad field conditions level the playing field and give the underdog a better chance to win. And it's not like Augsburg crushed Bethel, it basically came down to a missed 2 point conversion in overtime. If Bethel had converted that single play, we wouldn't be discussing this.

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's when fans of a team with questionable playoff selection criteria start begging for sympathy or poo-pooing their losses with crappy excuses like this.  Sadly, I don't see a provision for "games played in bad weather should count differently than other games because it hurts the favorite some of the time" anywhere in the criteria.

Bethel had their chance to play their way in (probably) in week 11 and blew it.  Scheduling Wartburg didn't cost you a playoff spot; losing your week 11 game to the team with 6 losses put your playoff un-vitation in the mail.  Sure, with that loss to Wartburg, you might have been on the table for discussion at 8-2 with losses to SJU and Auggie...but an 8-2 team with one loss to a really good team and one 4-6 team, probably not getting in.  My guess is that UWO probably would have been on the board before Bethel, and if you're on the board with North Central, or St. John Fisher, or any of those teams, they're probably going in before you, too.

Besides, who wants to backdoor their way into the playoffs by scheduling around anyone good?  Jesus, where's hazzben when I need him?

[d-train]

Thanks for the reminder that I should to go back and re-visit the field conditions for PLU's loss to Pacific. I heard the sun was in the Lutes' eyes way more than the Boxers'. I think if that game were played in Washington instead of Oregon, we might have won...and I don't think the committee even considered that possibility.