FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[OldAuggie]

I predict Augsburg will have 3 turnovers against the Tommies! UST will win but won't cover the spread of 21 points they will win by 14...we should add an over and under to the mix?

81, and will cover.

Eh. One of these teams knows how to play defense. Well.

2014 at UST, UST 45-27 AUG
2013 at AUG, UST 17-14 AUG
2012 at UST, UST 30-14 AUG

Ayrton Scott is one of the most exciting players I've watched in the MIAC. As explosive as the Augsburg offense has been under his leadership, the UST defense has done a remarkable job of keeping AUG out of the end zone when it has mattered the last three years (20 of AUG's points in 2014 came in the last 17 minutes). This is a better UST defense than '13 and '14 with arguably better size and speed at corner than '12. It's also a better version of the AUG offense, but I'll be shocked if this turns into a shootout.

Regarding home games; the 2013 game was close; we had the lead late in the 2nd half.  UST called a cross-field lateral pass on a punt return that was returned for  a TD which tied it up. I thought it was a brilliant coaching move and it did work. Before that play it was AUG's game. UST kicked a field goal to go ahead and forced the sophomore Scott to throw to a double covered Sonnenfeld which was intercepted by UST to seal the win. It was a close game.

2011 was close too I was unable to get to that game but Dakota Tracy got loose with a long run to beat AUG with a final of 17-0. I think Waldvogel had the other TD. It was a very windy day so the typical passing game was a non factor. Edor Nelson Field is not kind to the visiting team. The fans are right on top of the visitors bench, there is no track around the field.

I am not saying it's going to be a blowout, but the 81 that wm4 predicted will not happen. SJU has one of the best backs in D3 and UST held him to 3ypc and a long run of 12. Simon and Bungum had very good games, but that's because UST has incredible respect for Sura, and they would rather take their chances through the air. Auggie might be a bit more dynamic at their skill positions than SJU, but there's no way they have as good of an o-line. On D, UST was able to get home on SJU 4 times, and had 7 TFLs, no idea how many pressures and hits there were, but I would imagine quite a few, which lead to some costly SJU picks. I don't think Tyrell Martin is going to get as much going against UST as he has with other teams. Sonnefeld will probably get his, and Scott will certainly make a few things happen with his feet, but he will be moving laterally and throwing off his back foot much the same way he did against our first team last year. UST is also bit more athletic in their secondary than years past. I expect UST to take the air out of the football and just pound Roberts and Kaiser. UST's best defense will be winning the TOP on O, and I expect that we'll see about 20-25 carries for Roberts and 10-15 for Kaiser. I also expect those YPC to go from 4 or 5 to about 7 or 8 as the game goes on. UST's O-Line is big and physical and I think Auggie is going to have their work cut out for them on D.

tl/dr UST will win 42 to 17.

All good points and yes I agree UST is a big, bruising, pound it out team. I think you are underestimating Tyrell Martin and you can't compare SJU's QB Martin to Scott. So pick one of them; Martin or Scott and take them out of the plan but if you key on Scott, I am telling you Martin will burn you. He is a tough running back that does not go down easily. Yes, UST has a great defense. However I would put Martin near the class of Scott and Sonnenfeld athletically. Kid was a National Qualifier on Augsburg's National CH wrestling team last year. That does not happen by accident. I highly doubt UST's behemoth line intimidates him at all. Kid wrestled with Donny Longendyke every day. Now that is intimidating.

Point is; watch Tyrell Martin if UST keys on Scott. I think he will break one or more long plays. I realize it will likely be a long day for the Auggie Defense. They will need to rotate in fresh bodies all afternoon on the D line just to hold up to the pounding. Hopefully they can force a turnover here and there to get the offense back on the field. I have a feeling UST could take both Martin and Scott out of the plan but we will see. Wartburg could not get that done. If not for a costly fumble we win that game in Waverly.

[wm4]

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This is the Glenn Caruso mantra that is ripe full of BS. When Bench & others wonder where the disdain comes from they automatically assume it's because he wins. I'll be the first to admit he'd bother me less if he were still at MAC or not winning as much. My biggest issue is when his winning record is used as justification for his snake oil salesman ways.

The latest example? Just head to the roster section on TommieSports.com. As many on the board know, only the selected are allowed to arrive on campus for the start of preseason practice. Anyone else wanting to play is invited - but they must wait until school starts. As a result they are not eligible to dress for the first couple of home games as they've yet to participate in the required number of practices as mandated by the NCAA. (Though they are eligible to be loaded onto a bus and shipped to away games to stand on the sideline in matching gear for certain away games).

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

And if those kids you cite knew this was going to be the situation wayyyy before camp even started?   And if the program was consistent in this application of this process over several succesive years?  Just sayin'....

[DuffMan]

Kid wrestled with Donny Longendyke every day. Now that is intimidating.

The 174-lber wrestled with a good-sized heavyweight on a daily basis??? 

[SJUrube]

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This is the Glenn Caruso mantra that is ripe full of BS. When Bench & others wonder where the disdain comes from they automatically assume it's because he wins. I'll be the first to admit he'd bother me less if he were still at MAC or not winning as much. My biggest issue is when his winning record is used as justification for his snake oil salesman ways.

The latest example? Just head to the roster section on TommieSports.com. As many on the board know, only the selected are allowed to arrive on campus for the start of preseason practice. Anyone else wanting to play is invited - but they must wait until school starts. As a result they are not eligible to dress for the first couple of home games as they've yet to participate in the required number of practices as mandated by the NCAA. (Though they are eligible to be loaded onto a bus and shipped to away games to stand on the sideline in matching gear for certain away games).

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

And if those kids you cite knew this was going to be the situation wayyyy before camp even started?   And if the program was consistent in this application of this process over several succesive years?  Just sayin'....

No doubt some of the players know the situation in advance but there have been reported times where they didn't. Either way, I find it odd to give players a jersey, have them travel to an away game, but not make them part of your roster. That to me is not an inclusive environment.

Is it possible SID Gene McGivern dropped the ball here? It's entirely possible - but I typically find Gene more than willing to promote any and all things  UST - and I'd expect the roster and players to fall into the bucket.

[OldAuggie]

Kid wrestled with Donny Longendyke every day. Now that is intimidating.

The 174-lber wrestled with a good-sized heavyweight on a daily basis??? 

Ok no. My context was off for sure. I thought "with" was not the same as against. My bad.  If I was blessed with enough athletic ability to play for SJU in your day Duff I would say I played "with" DuffMan. Not against DuffMan.

[DuffMan]

Ah, that makes more sense.

[Pat Coleman]

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

The website isn't Caruso's responsibility. What you assume is intentional could just be typical sports information office overwork. SJU can do so but they have half the sports.

[USTBench]

F.A.M.I.L.Y.
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This is the Glenn Caruso mantra that is ripe full of BS. When Bench & others wonder where the disdain comes from they automatically assume it's because he wins. I'll be the first to admit he'd bother me less if he were still at MAC or not winning as much. My biggest issue is when his winning record is used as justification for his snake oil salesman ways.

The latest example? Just head to the roster section on TommieSports.com. As many on the board know, only the selected are allowed to arrive on campus for the start of preseason practice. Anyone else wanting to play is invited - but they must wait until school starts. As a result they are not eligible to dress for the first couple of home games as they've yet to participate in the required number of practices as mandated by the NCAA. (Though they are eligible to be loaded onto a bus and shipped to away games to stand on the sideline in matching gear for certain away games).

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

And if those kids you cite knew this was going to be the situation wayyyy before camp even started?   And if the program was consistent in this application of this process over several succesive years?  Just sayin'....

No doubt some of the players know the situation in advance but there have been reported times where they didn't. Either way, I find it odd to give players a jersey, have them travel to an away game, but not make them part of your roster. That to me is not an inclusive environment.

Is it possible SID Gene McGivern dropped the ball here? It's entirely possible - but I typically find Gene more than willing to promote any and all things  UST - and I'd expect the roster and players to fall into the bucket.

UST beat SJU in football this year 35 to 14.

[SJUrube]

F.A.M.I.L.Y.
o b e    o o
r o       v u
g u      e
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t

This is the Glenn Caruso mantra that is ripe full of BS. When Bench & others wonder where the disdain comes from they automatically assume it's because he wins. I'll be the first to admit he'd bother me less if he were still at MAC or not winning as much. My biggest issue is when his winning record is used as justification for his snake oil salesman ways.

The latest example? Just head to the roster section on TommieSports.com. As many on the board know, only the selected are allowed to arrive on campus for the start of preseason practice. Anyone else wanting to play is invited - but they must wait until school starts. As a result they are not eligible to dress for the first couple of home games as they've yet to participate in the required number of practices as mandated by the NCAA. (Though they are eligible to be loaded onto a bus and shipped to away games to stand on the sideline in matching gear for certain away games).

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

And if those kids you cite knew this was going to be the situation wayyyy before camp even started?   And if the program was consistent in this application of this process over several succesive years?  Just sayin'....

No doubt some of the players know the situation in advance but there have been reported times where they didn't. Either way, I find it odd to give players a jersey, have them travel to an away game, but not make them part of your roster. That to me is not an inclusive environment.

Is it possible SID Gene McGivern dropped the ball here? It's entirely possible - but I typically find Gene more than willing to promote any and all things  UST - and I'd expect the roster and players to fall into the bucket.

UST beat SJU in football this year 35 to 14.

Factually correct. Doesn't change the personalities of the guys in charge of each program.

[sjusection105]

UST beat SJU in football this year 35 to 14.

Stay on topic Bench. We are talking about players wearing black warm up suits & waiving towels on the sideline while not being included on the roster on the website.

[SJUrube]

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

The website isn't Caruso's responsibility. What you assume is intentional could just be typical sports information office overwork. SJU can do so but they have half the sports.

And I'm sure it was also Gene who decided to misrepresent the truth about their international trips this summer. No way was Glenn influencing the communication that was coming out of the SID office. 

Glenn has commented that he doesn't want a roster the size of SJU. The truth is the number of players given helmets and shoulder pads is closer to a typical SJU roster than it is to the rest of the conference. Hard to keep that narrative going if people can look up your roster and see that you're above 150 players than if you're showing less than that.

[USTBench]

UST beat SJU in football this year 35 to 14.

Stay on topic Bench. We are talking about players wearing black warm up suits & waiving towels on the sideline while not being included on the roster on the website.

"Gentlemen, football is like life. When you leave SJU remember that everyone is treated equally and life is fair. You will be mollycoddled by your boss and expected to take time out to acknowledge how beautiful the day is. The world is not a bleak place. It is a place where everyone has an intrinsic value despite their work ethic or talent."

My guess is "Harrison Bergeron" by Kurt Vonnegut is not taught as a cautionary tale in Freshman English at Pleasantville U, or Mayberry or Collegeville or whatever.

[SJUrube]

I think SJU wins out. They'll be fine against the speed and finesse of GAC & Tech. They've struggled this year with the bruising styles of Concordia & UST. Bethel is the only remaining team on the schedule that historically plays that style - but early results suggest they may not be as formidable as past years.

[wm4]

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

The website isn't Caruso's responsibility. What you assume is intentional could just be typical sports information office overwork. SJU can do so but they have half the sports.

And I'm sure it was also Gene who decided to misrepresent the truth about their international trips this summer. No way was Glenn influencing the communication that was coming out of the SID office. 

Glenn has commented that he doesn't want a roster the size of SJU. The truth is the number of players given helmets and shoulder pads is closer to a typical SJU roster than it is to the rest of the conference. Hard to keep that narrative going if people can look up your roster and see that you're above 150 players than if you're showing less than that.

Perhaps way late to the discussion here, but what truths were misrepresented about the international trip over late May-early June?

If you count every player who's in the UST program, whether they travel or not or whether they suit up or not, it's about 130 players, maybe 140 tops.  It's a successful program and kids want to play there.  In some cases, their playing time is a long shot, but they're part of the program and part of the famous acronym. 

[faunch]

School has been in session for awhile now and these shortened season members of the F.A.M.I.L.Y. are now eligible to dress, and theoretically, participate in games. Just don't look for their names, numbers or bios on the roster as they don't exist. With such a large F.A.M.I.L.Y. it must be hard to keep track of everyone - though SJU somehow manages to do so.

The website isn't Caruso's responsibility. What you assume is intentional could just be typical sports information office overwork. SJU can do so but they have half the sports.

I don't think it's that big of a deal...it actually has a kind of "Rudy-esque" feel to it.  I can just picture little Rudy Tommie calling home to mom and dad back in Joliet. 
"Yes, yes I'm really on the team."

"Why the hell aren't you on the roster?" hollers Dad. Hell I'm paying close to $50,000 a year in tuition.  C'mon home and work at the factory....you'll make foreman in no time."