FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[faunch]

Bench - I don't disagree with those realities ($$) and with some type of 'enrollment adjustment'.  But if it's literally counting poor, non-white students as 60% (or 3/5th's) of a person, I'm struck by the irony and tone-deaf nature of that as a formula.  But please understand that my 'shock' is mostly sarcasm...mixed with a little bit of liberal/progressive white guilt.   

Keep Calm and Carry On...

It counts free and reduced lunch students.  I don't think race is taken into account.  I understand that large numbers of minorities are on free and reduced however in rural areas I'm sure that there are more and more white students in the free and reduced category.

[Boys of Fall]

North did take it to BBE last night. 

As expected.  BBE is not a traditional football power.  Basketball, yes, but not football.

Coincidentally, North is playing at Clemens Saturday at 5 for the section title. 

Pretty soon the section tournament will be called the state tournament,

This is already the case with the 6A tournament.  All 32 teams in the top class can put up state participation banners every year.

Actually, the first two rounds of the 6A tournament are considered the "section" games and only when they get to the quarterfinal games are they considered in the "State tournament".

[d-train]

Bench - I don't disagree with those realities ($$) and with some type of 'enrollment adjustment'.  But if it's literally counting poor, non-white students as 60% (or 3/5th's) of a person, I'm struck by the irony and tone-deaf nature of that as a formula.  But please understand that my 'shock' is mostly sarcasm...mixed with a little bit of liberal/progressive white guilt.   

Keep Calm and Carry On...

It counts free and reduced lunch students.  I don't think race is taken into account. I understand that large numbers of minorities are on free and reduced however in rural areas I'm sure that there are more and more white students in the free and reduced category.

I'm sure you are right. But can you imagine if it was - yikes! Around here, there would be a protest march within days...

[AO]

North did take it to BBE last night. 

As expected.  BBE is not a traditional football power.  Basketball, yes, but not football.

Coincidentally, North is playing at Clemens Saturday at 5 for the section title. 

Pretty soon the section tournament will be called the state tournament,

This is already the case with the 6A tournament.  All 32 teams in the top class can put up state participation banners every year.

Actually, the first two rounds of the 6A tournament are considered the "section" games and only when they get to the quarterfinal games are they considered in the "State tournament".

That was the case last year.  Just one predetermined bracket this year.  They no longer re-seed.  I don't think they've officially decided if they're going to recognize everyone in the record book under "State Tournament Participants", but the MSHSL is calling it the State Tournament bracket. 

[Boys of Fall]

North did take it to BBE last night. 

As expected.  BBE is not a traditional football power.  Basketball, yes, but not football.

Coincidentally, North is playing at Clemens Saturday at 5 for the section title. 

Pretty soon the section tournament will be called the state tournament,

This is already the case with the 6A tournament.  All 32 teams in the top class can put up state participation banners every year.

Actually, the first two rounds of the 6A tournament are considered the "section" games and only when they get to the quarterfinal games are they considered in the "State tournament".

That was the case last year.  Just one predetermined bracket this year.  They no longer re-seed.  I don't think they've officially decided if they're going to recognize everyone in the record book under "State Tournament Participants", but the MSHSL is calling it the State Tournament bracket.

True.  I like it, but would have preferred a 1-32 seeding as opposed to four independent "section" seedings that created the field.

[OzJohnnie]

I always find it interesting when an honor like State Tournament Participant is expanded to more participants. It is valuable because it's so hard to get so only a few teams manage to get it. So it's given to more teams, reducing its value. So a new way of rewarding excellence is eventually created. Which is then expanded.

Rinse and repete.

[GoldandBlueBU]

I always find it interesting when an honor like State Tournament Participant is expanded to more participants. It is valuable because it's so hard to get so only a few teams manage to get it. So it's given to more teams, reducing its value. So a new way of rewarding excellence is eventually created. Which is then expanded.

Rinse and repete.

Agree completely. 

"We're state champions!....along with 6 other teams...from the same state."

[Retired Old Rat]

When basketball was divided into two classes (first sport with classes) there were two classes.  The winner of each class then played each other on Monday.  First year small school Melrose (with future NBAer Mark Olberding) beat Mounds View (with Mark Landsberger, future NBAer).  Second year the mighty Tornadoes of Anoka beat a Chisholm team with multiple McDonalds on the team.  Chisholm point guard and I ended up on the same floor freshman year and we're still friends.  I like to remind him Anoka roared out to a 12-0 lead and a picture of his ass from that game is my year book.

The overall championship game was kind of anti-climactic.  Were you still a state champ if you lost that game?  Not sure how long that lasted, but not for long.

Way, way too many classes.  As someone who went to a "big" school I mostly focus on the big schools.  No David and Goliath match ups.  Well, except when Eden Praire plays anyone from Minnesota.  They're too big to fail.

[sjusection105]

The entire subject of multiple classes in football does seem to have common sense in the safety & injury stand point. The point of every team in 6A (big school) getting a state participant banner simply because of the small number of these mega schools located in, primarily the western/southwestern suburbs,is bordering on insanity. It's kind of like the guy bragging about taking home the second ugliest girl at the bar at closing time. Just because it's available, you don't need to brag about it. I guess this is the era we live in,where everyone gets a trophy just for showing up. If you aren't ready to accept that there will be disappointments in life by the time you are a Jr. or Sr. in high school then you better get ready for a awful hard life. IMO, that's just a reflection of where our country is heading, but I digress.

Growing up in a rural area, I know that sports teams successes were the type of things that brought the community together, especially when playing our biggest rivals. We just understood (at least the group of guys I grew up with) that we would win in football,wrestling and track against our biggest rivals. They would beat us in basketball....every year. We would split in baseball and that was the way things were. Many years later, when I go back home, I will from time to time run into some of the guys from the rival town and we can laugh about how some of the parents would get quite worked up. Times were simpler and not everyone got a trophy, and I think we are better people for it. At least the ones who moved on & moved away. There are still those who  work in the local factory or farm the ground that they grew up  on(not that there is anything wrong with either of those things) and have their spot at the end of the bar in the local watering hole, still wearing their high school letterman's jacket, but heck if it makes them happy why not.

So is this why Macalester left the MIAC in football? So they can get an AQ entry into the NCAA Play-offs and brag about it to their friends at Grinnell or Beloit?

[Robert Zimmerman]

What's with all the basketball talk?  I thought this was a football/wrestling board?  To steer things back on track, Brock Lesnar made an appearance at the high school I teach at for a volleyball game last night.  His arms are as big as my waist.

[OzJohnnie]

[OzJohnnie]

[DuffMan]

To steer things back on track, Brock Lesnar made an appearance at the high school I teach at for a volleyball game last night.  His arms are as big as my waist.

What?!  Your colleague didn't tell me that.  Brock was at the St. John's wrestling camp one summer when I was in college, and I bumped into him once or twice.  He is a monster. 

[GoldandBlueBU]

When basketball was divided into two classes (first sport with classes) there were two classes.  The winner of each class then played each other on Monday.  First year small school Melrose (with future NBAer Mark Olberding) beat Mounds View (with Mark Landsberger, future NBAer).  Second year the mighty Tornadoes of Anoka beat a Chisholm team with multiple McDonalds on the team.  Chisholm point guard and I ended up on the same floor freshman year and we're still friends.  I like to remind him Anoka roared out to a 12-0 lead and a picture of his ass from that game is my year book.

The overall championship game was kind of anti-climactic.  Were you still a state champ if you lost that game?  Not sure how long that lasted, but not for long.

Way, way too many classes.  As someone who went to a "big" school I mostly focus on the big schools.  No David and Goliath match ups.  Well, except when Eden Praire plays anyone from Minnesota.  They're too big to fail.

My last post on the matter - it looks like the two class with a playoff ran from '71 - '75, with my alma taking home the first version of the championship vs. Melrose...

1971 A Melrose (24-3)- Red Wing 1 64-53
1971 AA Duluth Central (23-1) - North St. Paul G 54-51
1971 Playoff Duluth Central - Melrose 6 54-43

1972 A St. James (29-0) 2 Melrose 6 57-55
1972 AA Mounds View (21-5) F Austin A 62-54
1972 Playoff St. James 2 Mounds View F 60-52

1973 A Chisholm (27-1) 7 Melrose 5 53-52
1973 AA Anoka (24-2) G Richfield E 58-54
1973 Playoff Anoka G Chisholm 7 63-56

1974 A Melrose (27-0) 6 Mound 5 38-32
1974 AA Bemidji (22)3) B Richfield E 52-50
1974 Playoff Melrose 6 Bemidji B 58-42

1975 A Chisholm (27-1) 7 St. Paul Mechanic Arts 4 44-33
1975 AA Little Falls (26-1) C Robbinsdale F 54-49
1975 Playoff Little Falls C Chisholm 7 54-50

[57Johnnie]

March Madness already? i lost 6 months. Who won the Stagg ?