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[SJUrube]

Saturday was a tough one. Bench's pregame analysis essentially rang true. The Tommies were clearly better on Saturday - and throughout the season. The Johnnie fan is me wonders if things could have played out any different if two plays had gone differently - the dropped/tipped INT in the 2nd QTR that was caught by UST for a completion on their sideline and the big kick return after the Johnnies first TD.

If I have me sequence of plays correct, the missed INT would have given SJU the ball near midfield, down only 7-0. Instead the Tommies hit a long TD pass - on 1st and 25!!!!. The kick return hurt as SJU was positioned to only be down 2 scores going into the half - and received the 2nd half kick. Obviously those things didn't happen and even if they had there's no guarantee the outcome would have changed.

There are two injuries I'm surprised haven't been discussed yet. The first being a presumed late hit on Martin that knocked him out of the game. I honestly didn't see him go down as I followed his pass but when he did release the ball it didn't seem like he was under heavy pursuit. That, added with the number of personal foul penalties UST had makes me think it might have been an extra curricular hit.

The other injury being Roberts getting up slowly after is final carry in the 4th QTR. UST had a 4 score lead (38-13) and took over with 10 mins left in the game. Up to that point Trettel did not have a single carry, and with the cushion UST had, I was surprised to see Roberts still getting work. It ultimately didn't look like anything serious but I know a few of my Tommie friends were questioning why he was in the game at that point.

[Mr.MIAC]

If anyone doesn't think Coach Caruso is invested in his (nuclear and extended) family, I'll just leave this right here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b87XkDrCFZM

[tommiegun]

Saturday was a tough one. Bench's pregame analysis essentially rang true. The Tommies were clearly better on Saturday - and throughout the season. The Johnnie fan is me wonders if things could have played out any different if two plays had gone differently - the dropped/tipped INT in the 2nd QTR that was caught by UST for a completion on their sideline and the big kick return after the Johnnies first TD.

If I have me sequence of plays correct, the missed INT would have given SJU the ball near midfield, down only 7-0. Instead the Tommies hit a long TD pass - on 1st and 25!!!!. The kick return hurt as SJU was positioned to only be down 2 scores going into the half - and received the 2nd half kick. Obviously those things didn't happen and even if they had there's no guarantee the outcome would have changed.

There are two injuries I'm surprised haven't been discussed yet. The first being a presumed late hit on Martin that knocked him out of the game. I honestly didn't see him go down as I followed his pass but when he did release the ball it didn't seem like he was under heavy pursuit. That, added with the number of personal foul penalties UST had makes me think it might have been an extra curricular hit.

The other injury being Roberts getting up slowly after is final carry in the 4th QTR. UST had a 4 score lead (38-13) and took over with 10 mins left in the game. Up to that point Trettel did not have a single carry, and with the cushion UST had, I was surprised to see Roberts still getting work. It ultimately didn't look like anything serious but I know a few of my Tommie friends were questioning why he was in the game at that point.

I didn't have a great view of the Martin play, but I agree that it was a late hit.  I don't think it was dirty late, but late, and should have been flagged - that's a bad break and a bad call - the game was essentially over after that which was sad to see.  I also agree there was no reason to have Roberts in in the 4th Quarter - without Martin, the Johnnies were obviously not coming back.

[DuffMan]

I didn't have a great view of the Martin play, but I agree that it was a late hit.  I don't think it was dirty late, but late, and should have been flagged - that's a bad break and a bad call - the game was essentially over after that which was sad to see.  I also agree there was no reason to have Roberts in in the 4th Quarter - without Martin, the Johnnies were obviously not coming back.

I have a feeling that even with a healthy Martin, the Johnnies were sunk, but it sure would have given them a somewhat fighting chance.  Tough way to end a career.

[sjusection105]

I didn't have a great view of the Martin play, but I agree that it was a late hit.

There was no replay in the stadium,but the clip that Rev posted above appears to be the hit that took Martin out. It appears that his head slammed against the turf,similar to the hit that took him out of the St. Olaf game two weeks prior.

[OzJohnnie]

As much as it pains me, I have to side with Reverend here.  While I respect Mark's play-by-play skills, I can't handle how over-the-top he is.  As a Johnnie diehard, I find it extremely hard to listen to games.  No offense intended.

I find him entertaining, but I only find that because I'm a Johnnie supporter. He gets a bit whiny when the J's are playing badly or are getting beaten comprehensively (like on the weekend), but that sort of reflects my mood.

However he evolves over the coming years I sure hope he doesn't change his attitude toward the refs. That's the best part of his style, I reckon.

[ChicagoTommie]

I was at the game, the hit was questionable but not with intention to injure...its just the bad part of football, I cringe every time  I see anyone get hurt.  I would agree Martin had a great run and it was too bad he college career ended that way!  I think he was the 4th highest rated quarterback in division 3...correct me if i am wrong.   

[sjusection105]

However he evolves over the coming years I sure hope he doesn't change his attitude toward the refs. That's the best part of his style, I reckon.

Mark is as passionate about the Johnnies as he is his beloved Packers. There are similarities.

[02 Warhawk]

However he evolves over the coming years I sure hope he doesn't change his attitude toward the refs. That's the best part of his style, I reckon.

Mark is as passionate about the Johnnies as he is his beloved Packers. There are similarities.

Needless to say he had a rough Thanksgiving weekend then.

[faunch]

I didn't have a great view of the Martin play, but I agree that it was a late hit.

There was no replay in the stadium,but the clip that Rev posted above appears to be the hit that took Martin out. It appears that his head slammed against the turf,similar to the hit that took him out of the St. Olaf game two weeks prior.

That clip doesn't show when the ball left his hand thus it's kind of hard to tell if it was late.  The white hat was right there looking at the play.  If it was a late you think he would have flagged it.
What is shown looks like a clean play however it doesn't show when contact was made in relation to the release of the ball.

A little surprising that Tommie Media included it in the highlight reel.  Makes one wonder a bit how late the contact occurred....maybe they should have shown the entire clip of the play so that viewers could get the full picture.  The full clip of the play would likely vindicate or vilify the player making the hit.

[sjusection105]

I was at the game, the hit was questionable but not with intention to injure...its just the bad part of football, I cringe every time  I see anyone get hurt.  I would agree Martin had a great run and it was too bad he college career ended that way!  I think he was the 4th highest rated quarterback in division 3...correct me if i am wrong.

He was rated #2 in passing efficiency, 12 games 137 of 197 passing, 23 TD, 2 INT (both in 1st UST game) 2,003 passing yards 191.4 efficiency rating.

[Mr.MIAC]

Here's a followup on our watch conversation from a couple weeks back. I went with this one. Thoughts?

Link: http://www.vacheron-constantin.com/en2/watches/overseas/overseas-chronograph-49150-b01a-9097.html

[MIACsideliner]

Quote from: ChicagoTommie on Today at 03:22:25 pm

I was at the game, the hit was questionable but not with intention to injure...its just the bad part of football, I cringe every time  I see anyone get hurt.  I would agree Martin had a great run and it was too bad he college career ended that way!  I think he was the 4th highest rated quarterback in division 3...correct me if i am wrong.

Has anyone taken a look back to see how many quarterbacks UST has injured/taken out of games due to late hits/personal fouls during the Caruso coaching era???  I know it's part of the game and the team (UST) that commits these penalty gives the other team an automatic first down while losing 15 yards but playing the rest of the game against the second (or third) team's qb can often times be a "gamechanger" and must be worth the risk.  In my opinion it's a dirty way to get an advantage...

I also feel the team has to be "coached" this way because the UST defense does has done the same thing year after year!

[02 Warhawk]

Has anyone taken a look back to see how many quarterbacks UST has injured/taken out of games due to late hits/personal fouls during the Caruso coaching era???  I know it's part of the game and the team (UST) that commits these penalty gives the other team an automatic first down while losing 15 yards but playing the rest of the game against the second (or third) team's qb can often times be a "gamechanger" and must be worth the risk.  In my opinion it's a dirty way to get an advantage...

I also feel the team has to be "coached" this way because the UST defense does has done the same thing year after year!

D3's version of the NFL's Bounty-gate?  Strong accusation.

[Mr.MIAC]

Quote from: ChicagoTommie on Today at 03:22:25 pm

I was at the game, the hit was questionable but not with intention to injure...its just the bad part of football, I cringe every time  I see anyone get hurt.  I would agree Martin had a great run and it was too bad he college career ended that way!  I think he was the 4th highest rated quarterback in division 3...correct me if i am wrong.

Has anyone taken a look back to see how many quarterbacks UST has injured/taken out of games due to late hits/personal fouls during the Caruso coaching era???  I know it's part of the game and the team (UST) that commits these penalty gives the other team an automatic first down while losing 15 yards but playing the rest of the game against the second (or third) team's qb can often times be a "gamechanger" and must be worth the risk.  In my opinion it's a dirty way to get an advantage...

I also feel the team has to be "coached" this way because the UST defense does has done the same thing year after year!

I don't usually smite, but -K for this one. It's poor form to ask for evidence of a behavioral trend, tack a nefarious motive onto that behavior, and then make an accusation without citing any evidence of the behavior and/or motive in question. Truly steerage class in its purest form.