FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[ChicagoTommie]

Has anyone taken a look back to see how many quarterbacks UST has injured/taken out of games due to late hits/personal fouls during the Caruso coaching era???  I know it's part of the game and the team (UST) that commits these penalty gives the other team an automatic first down while losing 15 yards but playing the rest of the game against the second (or third) team's qb can often times be a "gamechanger" and must be worth the risk.  In my opinion it's a dirty way to get an advantage...

I also feel the team has to be "coached" this way because the UST defense does has done the same thing year after year!

Not true!!!!! my son is on the team and Cruso is all over the boys regarding late hits!

D3's version of the NFL's Bounty-gate?  Strong accusation.

[SJUrube]

A number of the SJU faithful have praised the graduating class and coaching staff for the year they put together and I think all of that is warranted. Last year was obviously an important year in winning the MIAC and putting the Jays back on top of the conference. Although they fell short of that goal this year they were able to secure another playoff birth - indicating last year wasn't a fluke and the Johnnies are poised to consistently be at the top of the MIAC and i the national conversation.

As fun as the last two years have been - three if you count #WideLeft - next year takes on added importance. A lot is lost to graduation on both sides of the ball - particularly in both the offense and defensive backfields. It will be interesting to see how the heralded recruiting classes of the last few years do moving forward.

[Pat Coleman]

Not sure if we've ever had an athletic trainer register to post here before.

[02 Warhawk]

Not sure if we've ever had an athletic trainer register to post here before.

Wasn't one of the new Oshkosh posters a trainer... or something like that?

[USTBench]

I played offense at UST, so Duffman is probably more of an authority on this, but I think if you have a good pass rush you're bound to have some close calls with late hits or "roughing the passer" penalties. Especially if you get home several times a game. I don't think there's any ill intent in UST's pass rush, but they do pride themselves on getting after the QB and have a lot of success doing that. Every once in awhile it's just too late to pull up. Especially in today's brand of college football, I would say aggressive defenses are just flat out going to get penalized more, but I'd rather pick up a penalty here or there than tell my guys to pump the brakes.

It's unfortunate that Martin got hurt, but I don't think it was a result of dirty play.

[SJUrube]

Re: penalties and intent to injure.

No one can know for sure what a player's intent was on a late hit or a hit that leads to an injury. We'd all like to think no player or team takes the field with an intent to cause actual harm to an opponent. At the same time, in all levels of football, certain teams and players do start to take on a reputation for questionable, if not dirty play.

If what CT says is true, Glenn might want to preach even harder about not only the number of penalties his team is taking, but also the type.

SJU 8-87
Personal Foul, Holding, False start, Roughing the passer, Roughing the passer, Unsportsmanlike (Jordan Young), Personal Foul, Delay of game

LaVerne 6-66
False start, Holding, Holding, Personal Foul (Trouccolo), Personal Foul (Jordan Young), Rouhging the passer (Knight)

GAC 6-70
Pass interference, Illegal Block, Holding, Encroachment, Facemask, Personal Foul (Dummer)

Car 7-82
Offsides, Personal Foul, Holding, Unsportsmanlike conduct, Roughing the passer, Holding, Illegal cut

They have certainly gotten their moneys worth over the last four games. Unfortunately the UST play-by-play doesn't indicate the offender for most of these. Young is the only guy who shows up twice - in back-to-back weeks. Maybe everyone else has been sent to the bench for being liberal with their after whistle behavior.

[OzJohnnie]

Eh.  No biggie.  UST play hard, smash-mouth football and wear a lot of penalties because of it.  I've never had the sense that they are cheap shotting, but instead are walking up to the line of unduly rough play and trying to tiptoe on it.  We're certainly not talking Meidt and St Olaf.

My biggest disappointment is that SJU can't smash back quite as hard.  But I look forward to it happening in the next few years (which I'm pretty sure it will) and I'll be cheering like a wildman when it does.

[Mr.MIAC]

The four people who gave MIACsideliner +K for his or her asinine post need to get their heads checked. The board is all about banter, but in my view this post goes way too far.

You want to call UST classless...fine. You think Coach Caruso is arrogant...no problem. You think our locker rooms are too plush...that's probably the case. However, we have UST/SJU kids--many of whom are friends with one another--injured in a game they played against each other. Here comes MIACsideliner claiming Caruso "coaches" his players to intentionally injure opposing players because it might be a "game changer."

If this post was meant as a joke, it's not funny. If it was a serious post, please enlighten us with more of your views on UST football. I'll stand at the ready, poised to rip you a new one...

PS: If you can't tell, I'm pissed off.

[bennie]

MIACsideliner...welcome to the board!

[OzJohnnie]

The board is all about banter, but in my view this post goes way too far.

Perhaps you make a point.  Maybe bennie can take a time out from the baking activities you earlier implied to join your cause in preventing things going too far.

[OzJohnnie]

Re: penalties and intent to injure.

What your post makes me wonder, rube, is how well the 'beast' approach works vs the 'execution' approach.  MUC(k) has thrived on elegance with a little beast for along time.  UWW came along and added a lot of beast to compliment the execution.  This Tommie team is very good but I think it is known for brutalising it's opponents as opposed to out-executing them.  You tend to hear them described as physically dominating their opposition rather than out-playing their opponents.  Yes, out-physicallizing is out-playing but I'm trying to set up a contrast in approach that is recognisable.  The 2003 Johnnies, for instance, were known for speed and execution - never for size.

Anyway, I wonder how the Tommies will perform against teams more established in their execution excellence like Linfield (if they meet).  Linfield should be able to take a little physical smack and serve it back with dynamic gameplay.  Or a clash with the WIAC survivor.  Physical on physical for a winner take all WWE cage match.

[Mr.MIAC]

The board is all about banter, but in my view this post goes way too far.

Perhaps you make a point.  Maybe bennie can take a time out from the baking activities you earlier implied to join your cause in preventing things going too far.

Banter: "The playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks."

Example #1: Posting a true story detailing how a feminist woman baked bread using her vaginal yeast, whilst suggesting the Bennies might join in the bread-baking tradition over in Collegeville.

Example #2: In the wake of some serious injuries, claiming Caruso "coaches" his players to intentionally injure opposing players because it might be a "game changer."

Which of the above examples comes off as playful, friendly, and teasing?

[bennie]

The board is all about banter, but in my view this post goes way too far.

Perhaps you make a point.  Maybe bennie can take a time out from the baking activities you earlier implied to join your cause in preventing things going too far.

Banter: "The playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks."

Example #1: Posting a true story detailing how a feminist woman baked bread using her vaginal yeast, whilst suggesting the Bennies might join in the bread-baking tradition over in Collegeville.

Example #2: In the wake of some serious injuries, claiming Caruso "coaches" his players to intentionally injure opposing players because it might be a "game changer."

Which of the above examples comes off as playful, friendly, and teasing?

For the record, I don't know of many women that enjoy banter about their vaginal yeast. I highly suggest you test this by bringing it up with your female coworkers at the annual Christmas party!! I look forward to your reporting back to us what Human Resource's stance is on this kind of friendly banter!!

[BDB]

Not sure if we've ever had an athletic trainer register to post here before.

Forgetting about the merit, or lack thereof, of this persons post I wonder why the user's occupation is called out.

[Mr.MIAC]

The board is all about banter, but in my view this post goes way too far.

Perhaps you make a point.  Maybe bennie can take a time out from the baking activities you earlier implied to join your cause in preventing things going too far.

Banter: "The playful and friendly exchange of teasing remarks."

Example #1: Posting a true story detailing how a feminist woman baked bread using her vaginal yeast, whilst suggesting the Bennies might join in the bread-baking tradition over in Collegeville.

Example #2: In the wake of some serious injuries, claiming Caruso "coaches" his players to intentionally injure opposing players because it might be a "game changer."

Which of the above examples comes off as playful, friendly, and teasing?

For the record, I don't know of many women that enjoy banter about their vaginal yeast. I highly suggest you test this by bringing it up with your female coworkers at the annual Christmas party!! I look forward to your reporting back to us what Human Resource's stance is on this kind of friendly banter!!

Apologies. I'll be sure to steer the banter away from vaginal yeast-related topics in the future.