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[sjusection105]

Joe Glenn's ending salary was $126,000. The family isn't moving to Vermillion for a minimal raise, especially now that the kids are in school and sports locally. If they were dropping $200k + into this USD job i could see it potentially overcoming the Vermillion factor.

According to the State Public Employee salary database Joe Glenn's salary was $145,000. http://bfm.sd.gov/ledger/employee.asp (search: Glenn, Joseph) Not that it makes a ton of difference.

I still agree it will take somewhere in the neighborhood of $200k plus a large institutional commitment to the football program from USD.

Caruso could use a potential  offer to leverage a donor to set up a fund to enhance his and assistant coaches salary now and into the future. The school would not be on the hook but he and his staff could be in line for a raise in pay if played right.

[cawcdad]

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You can always head up to my place Dens and watch in on one of my screens

or way north Dens on my big screen. Linfield feed this past week was very nice on the 55 inch screen.

[Bombers798891]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
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As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

Man you guys are really doubling down today, calling for UST to move out of the MIAC and then starting a Caruso exit rumor. Maybe you should go for the trifecta by detailing UST's plans for taking out Linfield's QB this Saturday.

I suspect Caruso called on his college archrival, Cortland State, to do so two weeks ago. Thinking ahead!

Given how the Jig rivarly's gone, I'm not surprised the Bomber got beat to the punch by the Red Dragons

[badger1845]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
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As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

I think you might be full of sh*te!

If Caruso didn't want the UND job he won't want the USD job. Kalen DeBoer from USF was a finalist for the UND job and is probably a fine choice for USD. Rumor has it the WIU coach is also throwing his hat in the ring.

Joe Glenn's ending salary was $126,000. The family isn't moving to Vermillion for a minimal raise, especially now that the kids are in school and sports locally. If they were dropping $200k + into this USD job i could see it potentially overcoming the Vermillion factor.

The USD job is more familiar to him than UND, which I think helps them.  Plus it will put Caruso one step from the FBS which is where I think he wants to be.  He's never really stayed anywhere very long with this being his longest stop (based on my horrible memory).  He's always seemed to have been looking for the next big step.  My brother played at UWEC when he was there and when he was offered the chance at USD he jumped at it and was gone so quick no one knew where he went for a couple days.  So as comfortable as UST may be for him, I definitely see him moving on if he has the chance. 

[hazzben]

RE: Caruso to USD

Like Bench(??) said, if he didn't jump at the UND job, why would he jump at USD? Of all the schools in the Dakota system, USD is far and away the worst one, academically, athletically, location, et al.

DeBoer would make a ton of sense. He's actually got a more accomplished resume than Caruso (that's not a slight, DeBoer had USF at the top for years, in a Mount/UWW type position and now has FCS coordinator experience to boot.). He also has significantly more time in South Dakota. He's a name that would mover the dial with USD supporters and HS coaches in the Tri-State area.

More than that, Caruso really has things rolling at UST right now. Does he really want to jump ship a hairs breathe away from a national title? Maybe that changes if he wins it this year and he'd feel satisfied. My guess is it'd wet his appetite for more and that he'd love to become/see UST become a UWW/Mount type program in terms of sustained excellence. That's totally spitballing. Surprisingly, Caruso and I haven't discussed this over a beer lately. 

The one thing I would say. If the money is $145,000 a year at USD now, that usually means they'll up the number a bit to land the guy they want. I don't know Caruso's specific salary numbers at UST. But I do know a dollar goes a whole lot further in Vermillion, SD than it does in St. Paul, MN. Especially in the neighborhood of Cretin and Summit. I don't think money will be the reason he isn't interested. USD would likely offer more than USF and the cost of living factor would make the gap even wider.

It'd have to be an overwhelming offer for him to uproot his family at this point, IMO. He seems to really genuinely enjoy the community he's in. Both in terms of the university and neighborhood. And uprooting your family is tough sell. Especially convincing your wife about the merits of living in Vermillion: "Don't worry honey, shopping in Yankton and Sioux City is just 30-40 minutes away. You're gonna love the Southern Hills Mall!" Yeah, right 

More than any of this though, he knows he's in a great position at UST right now. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that he was at Mac and trying to compete from the wrong end of institutional support, recruiting cache and facilities. He's got loads of good will at UST from the Administration and Alumni.

In listening to the post-game Linfield interview from youtube a few days ago, it was fascinating to hear coach Smith talk about UST's advantages. He said he and the team were more or less in awe as they looked around the place. And that UST had spent more on their recent athletic upgrades than Linfield had in their entire endowment (FWIW, Bethel's in the same boat Cat backers).

Caruso is fully aware of the advantages he has at UST. Those are the type of things that bring rare stability in the coaching profession and make it possible to compete for and win National titles. USD just doesn't offer those type of advantages.

[miac952]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
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As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

I think you might be full of sh*te!

If Caruso didn't want the UND job he won't want the USD job. Kalen DeBoer from USF was a finalist for the UND job and is probably a fine choice for USD. Rumor has it the WIU coach is also throwing his hat in the ring.

Joe Glenn's ending salary was $126,000. The family isn't moving to Vermillion for a minimal raise, especially now that the kids are in school and sports locally. If they were dropping $200k + into this USD job i could see it potentially overcoming the Vermillion factor.

The USD job is more familiar to him than UND, which I think helps them.  Plus it will put Caruso one step from the FBS which is where I think he wants to be.  He's never really stayed anywhere very long with this being his longest stop (based on my horrible memory).  He's always seemed to have been looking for the next big step.  My brother played at UWEC when he was there and when he was offered the chance at USD he jumped at it and was gone so quick no one knew where he went for a couple days.  So as comfortable as UST may be for him, I definitely see him moving on if he has the chance.

Good thoughts. But at a very different stage in his life. And eight seasons, his time at UST, is a pretty long tenure in coaching. He is the fourth longest tenured head coach in the MIAC. Not saying it wont happen, just find this particular opportunity to be very unlikely. UND was a great job at a more respected school, with better funding, a slightly larger community, and a stronger alumni base, and as Bench noted, he had no interest. It is very difficult as a public university to pluck a private college coach too. There salary range is largely fixed, the process is usually transparent and visible. When a coach is at a private school you don't know what you are competing with to up to have to up the ante. Donors can also help fund the program too. had this conversation with the Wabash folks, some of which are a little concerned Raeburn might consider other opportunities.

Until you get to the big revenue programs and sports at top level D1 programs the pay jumps arent that great, if at all, for a significant lifestyle change and stress level. Very different sport but somewhat interesting is the fact that the B1G gopher head track coach left a successful program at the U of M to become St Olaf's coach. He's making roughly the same amount of money, no scholarship administration, less stress, easier kids to coach, and has a larger pool of assistant coaches.

[USTBench]

A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
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As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.

I think you might be full of sh*te!

If Caruso didn't want the UND job he won't want the USD job. Kalen DeBoer from USF was a finalist for the UND job and is probably a fine choice for USD. Rumor has it the WIU coach is also throwing his hat in the ring.

Joe Glenn's ending salary was $126,000. The family isn't moving to Vermillion for a minimal raise, especially now that the kids are in school and sports locally. If they were dropping $200k + into this USD job i could see it potentially overcoming the Vermillion factor.

The USD job is more familiar to him than UND, which I think helps them.  Plus it will put Caruso one step from the FBS which is where I think he wants to be.  He's never really stayed anywhere very long with this being his longest stop (based on my horrible memory).  He's always seemed to have been looking for the next big step.  My brother played at UWEC when he was there and when he was offered the chance at USD he jumped at it and was gone so quick no one knew where he went for a couple days.  So as comfortable as UST may be for him, I definitely see him moving on if he has the chance.

USD may be more familiar, but I still say if he didn't consider UND (similar recruiting base (and exact same recruiting base as NDSU and UST), another former NCC school on the I-29 corridor, better alumni base with bigger donors, second in the region to offer COA so clearly a commitment from Athletic Department, and WAY better facilities for football (practice facility, way better venue than Dakota Dome, and Master Plan includes renovation of on-campus site)) he's not going to go all in on USD which is, of the big 5 FCS programs in the region (UND, NDSU, SDSU, UNI and USD) by far the worst. I know USD is building a new basketball facility, but the fact remains that outside of Idaho State and a few SWAC and non-scholarship programs, they have the absolute worst facilities in FCS for football.

Then there's the family dynamic. Three kids in school, friends, teammates, etc. His wife is from the F-M area and I can assure you she's probably way more comfortable in the Cities than she was in Vermillion. I doubt GC is making $126,000 as strictly a football coach, but my guess is, as one of UST's greatest assets as a fundraiser he's probably seeing similar, if not more money, through his other obligations. It's a step up on paper sure, but if I were Caruso, I'd need a top-end FCS offer with a guarantee of institutional support for nice facilities, COA and compensation, where I can recruit kids that could legitimately compete for a National Championship, or, I'm thinking a MAC job like Leipold got.

He could have had that had he thrown his hat in the ring for UND, NDSU or Montana State when those gigs opened up. USD is not on that level. IMO

[miac952]

RE: Caruso to USD

Like Bench(??) said, if he didn't jump at the UND job, why would he jump at USD? Of all the schools in the Dakota system, USD is far and away the worst one, academically, athletically, location, et al.

DeBoer would make a ton of sense. He's actually got a more accomplished resume than Caruso (that's not a slight, DeBoer had USF at the top for years, in a Mount/UWW type position and now has FCS coordinator experience to boot.). He also has significantly more time in South Dakota. He's a name that would mover the dial with USD supporters and HS coaches in the Tri-State area.

More than that, Caruso really has things rolling at UST right now. Does he really want to jump ship a hairs breathe away from a national title? Maybe that changes if he wins it this year and he'd feel satisfied. My guess is it'd wet his appetite for more and that he'd love to become/see UST become a UWW/Mount type program in terms of sustained excellence. That's totally spitballing. Surprisingly, Caruso and I haven't discussed this over a beer lately. 

The one thing I would say. If the money is $145,000 a year at USD now, that usually means they'll up the number a bit to land the guy they want. I don't know Caruso's specific salary numbers at UST. But I do know a dollar goes a whole lot further in Vermillion, SD than it does in St. Paul, MN. Especially in the neighborhood of Cretin and Summit. I don't think money will be the reason he isn't interested. USD would likely offer more than USF and the cost of living factor would make the gap even wider.

It'd have to be an overwhelming offer for him to uproot his family at this point, IMO. He seems to really genuinely enjoy the community he's in. Both in terms of the university and neighborhood. And uprooting your family is tough sell. Especially convincing your wife about the merits of living in Vermillion: "Don't worry honey, shopping in Yankton and Sioux City is just 30-40 minutes away. You're gonna love the Southern Hills Mall!" Yeah, right 

More than any of this though, he knows he's in a great position at UST right now. Remember, it wasn't that long ago that he was at Mac and trying to compete from the wrong end of institutional support, recruiting cache and facilities. He's got loads of good will at UST from the Administration and Alumni.

In listening to the post-game Linfield interview from youtube a few days ago, it was fascinating to hear coach Smith talk about UST's advantages. He said he and the team were more or less in awe as they looked around the place. And that UST had spent more on their recent athletic upgrades than Linfield had in their entire endowment (FWIW, Bethel's in the same boat Cat backers).

Caruso is fully aware of the advantages he has at UST. Those are the type of things that bring rare stability in the coaching profession and make it possible to compete for and win National titles. USD just doesn't offer those type of advantages.

I don't know what jobs were out there at the time, but the time I might have seen as most likely for a departure would have been when Dienhart stepped out of his role. He was a big supporter of football's rise to success and that made me wonder if he might have had some concern with leadership transition. But, it seems to have been largely seamless in the transition and support for football and the broader athletic department.

The other interesting nugget is how the key cog's as assistant coaches have stayed largely intact for the eight years. Kuchinski, Walch, and Lepsche are all still with the program. Being able to keep that core group together has to have been a big plus.

[nkwest]

He's always seemed to have been looking for the next big step.

GC took the Macalester job (his first as a HC) when he started a family. Mac to UST is the only job change he's made in ten seasons. At some point NDSU (where he spent five years) to UW-EC to USD becomes the exception, not the expectation.

[USTBench]

He's always seemed to have been looking for the next big step.

GC took the Macalester job (his first as a HC) when he started a family. Mac to UST is the only job change he's made in ten seasons. At some point NDSU (where he spent five years) to UW-EC to USD becomes the exception, not the expectation.

To leave a coordinator gig for a DIII school when you know the school you're currently at is going DI also tells me a few things outside of the fact that he just wanted a HC gig. 1) He and his wife probably wanted to be in the Twin Cities; 2) He's a DIII guy and likes being a DIII coach.

Forgot about one more plus. Recruiting. At UST you can drive 30 minutes in any direction and watch 5 recruits play, probably in the same game. UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU and UNI, you're on the road. A LOT. My buddy is the WR coach at UND and as soon as the season is done he is in Wisconsin watching basketball games and meeting with recruits for weeks at a time. Schweigert has to hit every corner of ND and Minnesota with his National Championship ring to build up alumni support and also meet with his prized prospects because he knows Klieman will be there the next day wearing 4 National Championship rings. 

[miac952]

RE: Caruso to USD


In listening to the post-game Linfield interview from youtube a few days ago, it was fascinating to hear coach Smith talk about UST's advantages. He said he and the team were more or less in awe as they looked around the place. And that UST had spent more on their recent athletic upgrades than Linfield had in their entire endowment (FWIW, Bethel's in the same boat Cat backers).

Caruso is fully aware of the advantages he has at UST. Those are the type of things that bring rare stability in the coaching profession and make it possible to compete for and win National titles. USD just doesn't offer those type of advantages.

UST definitely has it's advantages. One thing I was struck by looking at Linfield though was the size of Coach Smith's staff. I thought some MIAC schools, including UST, had big staffs. They pale in comparison to the Linfield staff. 14 if you take out the equipment coordinator. http://www.linfield.edu/sports/team-staff.html?sport=fb. Good for them. The staff has done a great job building a nationally prominent and well respected program.

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A few things by way of into to what I'm about to post:
1) I am not in the "Find Caruso a new job" camp. The Johnnie-Tommie Rivalry is at its best when both teams are good, and, as much as it pains me to say it, Caruso has made UST very good.
2) I am simply reporting things as I hear them from my post in Sioux Falls, S.D., and this is about as worth talking about as anything.
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As some of you may know, University of South Dakota head football coach Joe Glenn retired a few weeks ago and the Coyotes athletic department has begun looking for a replacement.  Caruso's name was one of the first to pop up (along with Kalen DeBoer, OC at E. Michigan, and Bob Neilson, HC at Western Illinois).

Here are the rumors coming from the USD campus:
USD Athletic Director David Herbster flew to Minneapolis to conduct an interview with an unnamed coach.
Sometime after that visit it was established that "the new coach has been identified and they are waiting on him to finish his team's playoffs."


I'm not sure if he would take the job, but there are certainly a bunch of people in Vermillion, S.D. that want Caruso--badly. They liked what they saw very briefly just over a decade ago when Caruso was the OC at USD and really like what they've seen since.




I think you might be full of sh*te!



If Caruso didn't want the UND job he won't want the USD job. Kalen DeBoer from USF was a finalist for the UND job and is probably a fine choice for USD. Rumor has it the WIU coach is also throwing his hat in the ring.



Joe Glenn's ending salary was $126,000. The family isn't moving to Vermillion for a minimal raise, especially now that the kids are in school and sports locally. If they were dropping $200k + into this USD job i could see it potentially overcoming the Vermillion factor.



The USD job is more familiar to him than UND, which I think helps them.  Plus it will put Caruso one step from the FBS which is where I think he wants to be.  He's never really stayed anywhere very long with this being his longest stop (based on my horrible memory).  He's always seemed to have been looking for the next big step.  My brother played at UWEC when he was there and when he was offered the chance at USD he jumped at it and was gone so quick no one knew where he went for a couple days.  So as comfortable as UST may be for him, I definitely see him moving on if he has the chance.



USD may be more familiar, but I still say if he didn't consider UND (similar recruiting base (and exact same recruiting base as NDSU and UST), another former NCC school on the I-29 corridor, better alumni base with bigger donors, second in the region to offer COA so clearly a commitment from Athletic Department, and WAY better facilities for football (practice facility, way better venue than Dakota Dome, and Master Plan includes renovation of on-campus site)) he's not going to go all in on USD which is, of the big 5 FCS programs in the region (UND, NDSU, SDSU, UNI and USD) by far the worst. I know USD is building a new basketball facility, but the fact remains that outside of Idaho State and a few SWAC and non-scholarship programs, they have the absolute worst facilities in FCS for football.

Then there's the family dynamic. Three kids in school, friends, teammates, etc. His wife is from the F-M area and I can assure you she's probably way more comfortable in the Cities than she was in Vermillion. I doubt GC is making $126,000 as strictly a football coach, but my guess is, as one of UST's greatest assets as a fundraiser he's probably seeing similar, if not more money, through his other obligations. It's a step up on paper sure, but if I were Caruso, I'd need a top-end FCS offer with a guarantee of institutional support for nice facilities, COA and compensation, where I can recruit kids that could legitimately compete for a National Championship, or, I'm thinking a MAC job like Leipold got.

He could have had that had he thrown his hat in the ring for UND, NDSU or Montana State when those gigs opened up. USD is not on that level. IMO

Thanks'CATS!
Gotta keep these pages moving.

[nkwest]

To leave a coordinator gig for a DIII school when you know the school you're currently at is going DI also tells me a few things outside of the fact that he just wanted a HC gig. 1) He and his wife probably wanted to be in the Twin Cities; 2) He's a DIII guy and likes being a DIII coach.

Forgot about one more plus. Recruiting. At UST you can drive 30 minutes in any direction and watch 5 recruits play, probably in the same game. UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU and UNI, you're on the road. A LOT. My buddy is the WR coach at UND and as soon as the season is done he is in Wisconsin watching basketball games and meeting with recruits for weeks at a time. Schweigert has to hit every corner of ND and Minnesota with his National Championship ring to build up alumni support and also meet with his prized prospects because he knows Klieman will be there the next day wearing 4 National Championship rings.

As long as his priorities remain, in order, faith, family, and football, I'm not sure there's a better job in the country for GC.

[USTBench]

To leave a coordinator gig for a DIII school when you know the school you're currently at is going DI also tells me a few things outside of the fact that he just wanted a HC gig. 1) He and his wife probably wanted to be in the Twin Cities; 2) He's a DIII guy and likes being a DIII coach.

Forgot about one more plus. Recruiting. At UST you can drive 30 minutes in any direction and watch 5 recruits play, probably in the same game. UND, USD, SDSU, NDSU and UNI, you're on the road. A LOT. My buddy is the WR coach at UND and as soon as the season is done he is in Wisconsin watching basketball games and meeting with recruits for weeks at a time. Schweigert has to hit every corner of ND and Minnesota with his National Championship ring to build up alumni support and also meet with his prized prospects because he knows Klieman will be there the next day wearing 4 National Championship rings.

As long as his priorities remain, in order, faith, family, and football, I'm not sure there's a better job in the country for GC.

According to Jimmy V, possibly the Rutgers freshmen basketball team in the early 70s or the Green Bay PACKAHS

[Mr.MIAC]

I must admit that this video from last year does have a Borg-like quality...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMdGjaRrKQU