FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[hazzben]

From what I've heard, the sideline infraction enforcement is usually up to officials. It's a bit of a judgment call.

Sometimes they announce to the crowd that there's been a first 'warning' infraction. Other times they simply walk over to the HC and tell him that he's receiving his warning. Bottom line, we don't know all that went into it. More importantly though, UWP scored on the drive so it's a bit of a moot point.

As for the final play. It's not terribly uncommon for a linesman to wait to make that call. The goal isn't to signal immediately, it's to get the call right. Furthermore, it's his call to make. It's not the umpire, and the other linesman is going to defer to the playside official. I don't know if Krueger actually got in, but none of us had a better angle from that video than the official on the field did.

[RoyalsFan]

From what I've heard, the sideline infraction enforcement is usually up to officials. It's a bit of a judgment call.

Sometimes they announce to the crowd that there's been a first 'warning' infraction. Other times they simply walk over to the HC and tell him that he's receiving his warning. Bottom line, we don't know all that went into it. More importantly though, UWP scored on the drive so it's a bit of a moot point.

As for the final play. It's not terribly uncommon for a linesman to wait to make that call. The goal isn't to signal immediately, it's to get the call right. Furthermore, it's his call to make. It's not the umpire, and the other linesman is going to defer to the playside official. I don't know if Krueger actually got in, but none of us had a better angle from that video than the official on the field did.

How can it be a judgement call as to what the penalty enforcement is when it is specifically spelled out in the rule book? I can see calling the penalty in the first place being a judgement call, but enforcement of a penalty is never a judgement call.

Also more importantly, they did not score on that drive. The interception happened with the score 31-26 with about 2:48 left in the game. They had 4th and 1 and took a delay of game penalty and then punted. So it had a huge impact on the last few minutes of the game.

[DuffMan]

#hater

[RoyalsFan]

#hater

Not a hater, just pointing out an error made by the refs. I would have pointed it out if the same play would have gone against SJU. Just don't like the refs having an impact on the game when they make a mistake like that.

[57Johnnie]

#hater

Duff,
Royal Pain just doesn't understand that the Johnnies won because most of them were not wearing sleeves and the Pioneers were.

[SJUrube]

How good has Alexi Johnson been in his career. Mr steady. A real unsung hero.

[faunch]

#hater

Duff,
Royal Pain just doesn't understand that the Johnnies won because most of them were not wearing sleeves and the Pioneers were.

I think we had on offensive lineman that was wearing a hoodie.

[5 Words or Less]

Here's the final play...I don't think he got in, however it looks like the umpire is picking the ball up in the end zone.  What's weird is he is handing the ball to the side judge as the touchdown is signaled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=z6dmaWtzcGc&app=desktop

#60 belatedly bulldozed bound ballcarrier

[faunch]

Here's the final play...I don't think he got in, however it looks like the umpire is picking the ball up in the end zone.  What's weird is he is handing the ball to the side judge as the touchdown is signaled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=z6dmaWtzcGc&app=desktop

#60 belatedly bulldozed bound ballcarrier

That's for sure...he might have pushed him in.

[hazzben]

From what I've heard, the sideline infraction enforcement is usually up to officials. It's a bit of a judgment call.

Sometimes they announce to the crowd that there's been a first 'warning' infraction. Other times they simply walk over to the HC and tell him that he's receiving his warning. Bottom line, we don't know all that went into it. More importantly though, UWP scored on the drive so it's a bit of a moot point.

As for the final play. It's not terribly uncommon for a linesman to wait to make that call. The goal isn't to signal immediately, it's to get the call right. Furthermore, it's his call to make. It's not the umpire, and the other linesman is going to defer to the playside official. I don't know if Krueger actually got in, but none of us had a better angle from that video than the official on the field did.

How can it be a judgement call as to what the penalty enforcement is when it is specifically spelled out in the rule book? I can see calling the penalty in the first place being a judgement call, but enforcement of a penalty is never a judgement call.

Also more importantly, they did not score on that drive. The interception happened with the score 31-26 with about 2:48 left in the game. They had 4th and 1 and took a delay of game penalty and then punted. So it had a huge impact on the last few minutes of the game.

Don't kill the messenger! You're right on the impact, I was thinking of a different penalty/scoring sequence.

Bottom line, it gets applied differently. I've been on the sidelines (as player and coach) when they've issued such warnings (there may have been one time when I was the recipient of said warning  ). Sometimes they give the warning verbally. Sometimes they give a couple of warnings verbally. Sometimes there's a verbal warning, then a flag with a warning, then a flag with yardage assessed. Sometimes they throw a flag on the first instance and announce over the PA system that a warning is being issued. The point is, we don't know how it went down, except that we assume it wasn't the final scenario, where they'd thrown a flag and announced the warning earlier in the game.

More than this, UWP had the ball with a couple minutes to play. They didn't convert. And they chose not to go for it on 4th and short. So they gave it back with plenty of time on the clock and SJU made them pay.

[repete]

This photo -- by a student photographer  (Alexus Jungles) on gojohhnies,com -- is fabulous. (Click to embiggen.)

[RoyalsFan]

From what I've heard, the sideline infraction enforcement is usually up to officials. It's a bit of a judgment call.

Sometimes they announce to the crowd that there's been a first 'warning' infraction. Other times they simply walk over to the HC and tell him that he's receiving his warning. Bottom line, we don't know all that went into it. More importantly though, UWP scored on the drive so it's a bit of a moot point.

As for the final play. It's not terribly uncommon for a linesman to wait to make that call. The goal isn't to signal immediately, it's to get the call right. Furthermore, it's his call to make. It's not the umpire, and the other linesman is going to defer to the playside official. I don't know if Krueger actually got in, but none of us had a better angle from that video than the official on the field did.

How can it be a judgement call as to what the penalty enforcement is when it is specifically spelled out in the rule book? I can see calling the penalty in the first place being a judgement call, but enforcement of a penalty is never a judgement call.

Also more importantly, they did not score on that drive. The interception happened with the score 31-26 with about 2:48 left in the game. They had 4th and 1 and took a delay of game penalty and then punted. So it had a huge impact on the last few minutes of the game.

Don't kill the messenger! You're right on the impact, I was thinking of a different penalty/scoring sequence.

Bottom line, it gets applied differently. I've been on the sidelines (as player and coach) when they've issued such warnings (there may have been one time when I was the recipient of said warning  ). Sometimes they give the warning verbally. Sometimes they give a couple of warnings verbally. Sometimes there's a verbal warning, then a flag with a warning, then a flag with yardage assessed. Sometimes they throw a flag on the first instance and announce over the PA system that a warning is being issued. The point is, we don't know how it went down, except that we assume it wasn't the final scenario, where they'd thrown a flag and announced the warning earlier in the game.

More than this, UWP had the ball with a couple minutes to play. They didn't convert. And they chose not to go for it on 4th and short. So they gave it back with plenty of time on the clock and SJU made them pay.

Not putting any blame on you Hazzben and I'm not taking anything away from SJU, that was an awesome drive to come back and win the game.

I understand that they may announce the infraction differently, as you pointed out when you were a player and coach, but that was also before they changed the rule last year. According to the changed rule, there has to be 2 5 yard delay of game penalties called before they apply a 15 yard penalty for a sideline infraction. There were no previous sideline infraction penalties so it doesn't make sense that they walked off 15 yards on that play. Yes, UWP had the ball and couldn't get a 1st down, but without the 15 yard penalty they more than likely would have attempted a field goal instead of having to punt. The refs (mistakenly I believe) took that opportunity away from UWP. I guess I would really like an explanation from the refs about this but we will probably never get one.

[SJUrube]

Delayed signal on a goal line TD for Oklahoma just now. Call upheld upon review. With that the game ending Johnnies TD stands.

[OzJohnnie]

Delayed signal on a goal line TD for Oklahoma just now. Call upheld upon review. With that the game ending Johnnies TD stands.

Agree.

[BDB]

57Johnnie - It occurs to me that 5 Words or Less has got to be your favorite poster.