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Mr.MIAC

Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 15, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
You mean the routine of incessant trolling coupled with jealous arrogance isn't attractive?  Color me surprised, Tommies.

I'm guessing the Raiders are tops, and the Johnnies and Wildcats are bottoms. Am I right?

jamtod

I'm just trying to figure out who the jealous arrogant ones are here, because that could be taken in a lot of directions.

USTBench

Quote from: Reverend MIAC, PhD on November 15, 2017, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: OzJohnnie on November 15, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
You mean the routine of incessant trolling coupled with jealous arrogance isn't attractive?  Color me surprised, Tommies.

I'm guessing the Raiders are tops, and the Johnnies and Wildcats are bottoms. Am I right?

A bridge too far, Rev. Also a bit of a softball considering what happened in 2012 and 2015.
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USee

Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: robertgoulet on November 15, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
*cracks open door, pops head in*

Rutter is the best QB SJU will have faced all year, by some margin. NCC over SJU by 13.

*head out, shuts door*

Pera at UST is pretty good. Would be surprised if your guy is that much better. Likely he hasn't seen a defense as strong as SJU.

Hmmmm. I wonder if that is true. Let's take a peek:

Broc Rutter
181-280, 65%,  2,571 yds, 5 Int, 19 TD's, 160.6 Efficiency

Jacques Perra
154-264, 58%, 2,340 yds, 5 Ints, 19 TD's, 152.75 Efficiency

I also looked at the performance vs the top two teams in each league (Perra vs St Johns-#2 ranked defense and Concordia-#22 ranked defense and Rutter vs Wheaton-#8 ranked defense and IWU-#23 ranked defense). Given the fact these are 2 of the top 5 conferences in the country and all these teams are similarly ranked in the top 25 as well as on defense it seems decent as a comparison (admitting a small data set)

Perra vs STJU/CM
23-47, 49% 1 Int, 3 TD's, 175 ypg

Rutter vs Wh/IWU
49-82, 60%, 2 Int, 2 TD's, 261 ypg

St John's defense is ranked #2 so it's absolutely true Rutter and NCC have not faced a better defense, statistically speaking, I think both teams are battle tested against top 10 quality competition.


OzJohnnie

Quote from: USee on November 15, 2017, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: robertgoulet on November 15, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
*cracks open door, pops head in*

Rutter is the best QB SJU will have faced all year, by some margin. NCC over SJU by 13.

*head out, shuts door*

Pera at UST is pretty good. Would be surprised if your guy is that much better. Likely he hasn't seen a defense as strong as SJU.

Hmmmm. I wonder if that is true. Let's take a peek:

Broc Rutter
181-280, 65%,  2,571 yds, 5 Int, 19 TD's, 160.6 Efficiency

Jacques Perra
154-264, 58%, 2,340 yds, 5 Ints, 19 TD's, 152.75 Efficiency

I also looked at the performance vs the top two teams in each league (Perra vs St Johns-#2 ranked defense and Concordia-#22 ranked defense and Rutter vs Wheaton-#8 ranked defense and IWU-#23 ranked defense). Given the fact these are 2 of the top 5 conferences in the country and all these teams are similarly ranked in the top 25 as well as on defense it seems decent as a comparison (admitting a small data set)

Perra vs STJU/CM
23-47, 49% 1 Int, 3 TD's, 175 ypg

Rutter vs Wh/IWU
49-82, 60%, 2 Int, 2 TD's, 261 ypg

St John's defense is ranked #2 so it's absolutely true Rutter and NCC have not faced a better defense, statistically speaking, I think both teams are battle tested against top 10 quality competition.



Nice post. I'm getting nervous with anticipation. I hope the streaming holds up.
  

jamtod

Quote from: USee on November 15, 2017, 04:13:30 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: robertgoulet on November 15, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
*cracks open door, pops head in*

Rutter is the best QB SJU will have faced all year, by some margin. NCC over SJU by 13.

*head out, shuts door*

Pera at UST is pretty good. Would be surprised if your guy is that much better. Likely he hasn't seen a defense as strong as SJU.

Hmmmm. I wonder if that is true. Let's take a peek:

Broc Rutter
181-280, 65%,  2,571 yds, 5 Int, 19 TD's, 160.6 Efficiency

Jacques Perra
154-264, 58%, 2,340 yds, 5 Ints, 19 TD's, 152.75 Efficiency

I also looked at the performance vs the top two teams in each league (Perra vs St Johns-#2 ranked defense and Concordia-#22 ranked defense and Rutter vs Wheaton-#8 ranked defense and IWU-#23 ranked defense). Given the fact these are 2 of the top 5 conferences in the country and all these teams are similarly ranked in the top 25 as well as on defense it seems decent as a comparison (admitting a small data set)

Perra vs STJU/CM
23-47, 49% 1 Int, 3 TD's, 175 ypg

Rutter vs Wh/IWU
49-82, 60%, 2 Int, 2 TD's, 261 ypg

St John's defense is ranked #2 so it's absolutely true Rutter and NCC have not faced a better defense, statistically speaking, I think both teams are battle tested against top 10 quality competition.

I don't know Rutter aside from reputation, and Perra has been evolving throughout the year. Not sure that games against Hamline and St Olaf are appropriate comparisons for passing %, rating, etc but even then I don't think his numbers were off the charts. He also struggled early in the year as our protection was getting sorted out. I think he's a solid QB but I think Rutter and Erdmann are likely on a different level in some ways.

Is Rutter a traditional pocket passer? Perra's ability to scramble and get 1st downs and TDs has actually been a nice compliment to the passing game.

USee

Rutter will sit in the pocket. He will get the ball out very quickly vs any pressure. Occasional scramble but pocket guy mostly. He is really accurate. Wheaton pressured him in the first half and got torched. In the second half (2 days later) they sat in zone and did line games to push the pocket and that was effective.

robertgoulet

Quote from: USee on November 15, 2017, 04:41:17 PM
Rutter will sit in the pocket. He will get the ball out very quickly vs any pressure. Occasional scramble but pocket guy mostly. He is really accurate. Wheaton pressured him in the first half and got torched. In the second half (2 days later) they sat in zone and did line games to push the pocket and that was effective.

Rutter's main challenge will be his WR support, as it's been all year. They will be relying on mostly freshman, who would have no playoff experience (duh).

Sounding like NCC's best plan of attack against this D is to pound the middle with Breunig and work play action off of that.
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Team capsules/reviews for each of the 32 playoff teams are up on the d3football.com site. They're not giving St John's a vote of confidence stating, "The first game is a toss-up, but if advancing, it won't be for long." OUCH! Hope the Johnnies are well prepared & prove all of the doubters wrong! Would be nice to get past the second round of the playoffs!

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Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: robertgoulet on November 15, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
*cracks open door, pops head in*

Rutter is the best QB SJU will have faced all year, by some margin. NCC over SJU by 13.

*head out, shuts door*

Pera at UST is pretty good. Would be surprised if your guy is that much better. Likely he hasn't seen a defense as strong as SJU.

Having seen all three QB's play, I'd offer that Erdman and Rutter are pretty similar.  Rutter is Erdman, but in a way more creative offense.  Both are tall and athletic.  Both keep their eyes down field well.  Both can scramble and run a bit.  Rutter has a cannon and can show it off at times and make some very impressive throws.  I'd give the nod to Erdman in terms of big game experience, but just by a hair.  CCIW conference was super deep this year and I believe NCC's receiving corp is young too.

Perra has improved noticeably as the year's gone on.  Not seeing as many sacks as at the start of the year.  He's quicker to decide to tuck and run and has accepted that a 5 yard scramble is better than thinking he can wait 5 seconds in the pocket, only to take a sack.  He does still seem to overthrow the deep ball though.  Would be nice to connect on more of those passes.  Overall, he just looks much more comfortable inside the offense than he was at the beginning of the year. 

Why SJU doesn't get the ball to Clark, I'll never understand.  He should be good for 10 touches a game.  See "creative" above.

Retired Old Rat

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Quote from: wm4 on November 15, 2017, 05:22:55 PM
Quote from: Retired Old Rat on November 15, 2017, 03:26:07 PM
Quote from: robertgoulet on November 15, 2017, 02:56:48 PM
*cracks open door, pops head in*

Rutter is the best QB SJU will have faced all year, by some margin. NCC over SJU by 13.

*head out, shuts door*

Pera at UST is pretty good. Would be surprised if your guy is that much better. Likely he hasn't seen a defense as strong as SJU.

Having seen all three QB's play, I'd offer that Erdman and Rutter are pretty similar.  Rutter is Erdman, but in a way more creative offense.  Both are tall and athletic.  Both keep their eyes down field well.  Both can scramble and run a bit.  Rutter has a cannon and can show it off at times and make some very impressive throws.  I'd give the nod to Erdman in terms of big game experience, but just by a hair.  CCIW conference was super deep this year and I believe NCC's receiving corp is young too.

Perra has improved noticeably as the year's gone on.  Not seeing as many sacks as at the start of the year.  He's quicker to decide to tuck and run and has accepted that a 5 yard scramble is better than thinking he can wait 5 seconds in the pocket, only to take a sack.  He does still seem to overthrow the deep ball though.  Would be nice to connect on more of those passes.  Overall, he just looks much more comfortable inside the offense than he was at the beginning of the year. 

Why SJU doesn't get the ball to Clark, I'll never understand.  He should be good for 10 touches a game.  See "creative" above.

I completely agree that Perra has not connected enough of the long down the field passes and is an area for improvement.  The Tommies also need to blitz pretty often to put pressure on the quarterback, although their run defense is second to none.  I am sure Wally will dial up the pressure and blitz packages as they get deeper into the playoffs.  Overall, those would be the two biggest weaknesses the Tommies must overcome.

Their depth is incredible at all positions.  I believe I saw 4 freshman and a sophomore o-lineman playing the majority of the second half against Olaf.  With limited rosters for the playoffs, I wonder if these guys will get to travel and dress.  More to come.

USee

Quote from: robertgoulet on November 15, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
Quote from: USee on November 15, 2017, 04:41:17 PM
Rutter will sit in the pocket. He will get the ball out very quickly vs any pressure. Occasional scramble but pocket guy mostly. He is really accurate. Wheaton pressured him in the first half and got torched. In the second half (2 days later) they sat in zone and did line games to push the pocket and that was effective.

Rutter's main challenge will be his WR support, as it's been all year. They will be relying on mostly freshman, who would have no playoff experience (duh).

Sounding like NCC's best plan of attack against this D is to pound the middle with Breunig and work play action off of that.

Those WR aren't freshmen anymore after 10 games. Rutter is going to complete 60% of his passes. It's about getting stops in the rezome and on 3rd down which the Johnnies have excelled at this year. I am very excited to watch this one. Bigger challenge for STJU will be on the other side of he ball IMO

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For your leisurely reading outside of your Academic bowl talk!  :D. Just a preview that comes out from our side.

http://northcentralcardinals.com/news/2017/11/15/football-round-1-playoff-preview-saint-john-s.aspx
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