FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[02 Warhawk]

From a "what have you accomplished in Division III" standpoint UST is a much better candidate for D-II than, say, Frostburg. The school has swept the commissioner's cup/all-sports trophy in the MIAC in both men's and women's sports for the past 11 years and has a couple of MBB national titles and a baseball title in that span. Probably more but that's what I know offhand.

That said, of course, Division II is no place for anyone who plays ice hockey. You'd have to play D-I hockey or just give it up entirely as D-II hockey is essentially non-existent.

All right.... now I know.

[sfury]

Brown just fired their coach after 25 seasons.
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/11/estes

Any chance a local D3 or D2 guy gets a look?
I wouldn't be upset if Caruso bounced for something relatively high profile like this on the East Coast.

I don't know that Brown is going to hire a D-III head coach. Princeton famously wanted to hire Larry Kehres back in the early part of this century but beyond that, I haven't even heard a D-III head coach mentioned for any Ivy head coaching jobs.

I petitioned for Caruso for the Columbia job few years ago (I did think he could do good job there, but there was, perhaps, also some Johnnie-related motives). Instead they got extremely lucky by luring Al Bagnoli out of retirement, the most successful coach in the Ivy who'd recently left Penn. He's completely turned things around. (And way back when Bagnoli was hired by Penn away from D3 Union, which made the Stagg twice under him. But certainly a different time in the college football world, think those hires would be rarer now.)

[MiacMan]

Brown just fired their coach after 25 seasons.
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/11/estes

Any chance a local D3 or D2 guy gets a look?
I wouldn't be upset if Caruso bounced for something relatively high profile like this on the East Coast.

I don't know that Brown is going to hire a D-III head coach. Princeton famously wanted to hire Larry Kehres back in the early part of this century but beyond that, I haven't even heard a D-III head coach mentioned for any Ivy head coaching jobs.

I petitioned for Caruso for the Columbia job few years ago (I did think he could do good job there, but there was, perhaps, also some Johnnie-related motives). Instead they got extremely lucky by luring Al Bagnoli out of retirement, the most successful coach in the Ivy who'd recently left Penn. He's completely turned things around. (And way back when Bagnoli was hired by Penn away from D3 Union, which made the Stagg twice under him. But certainly a different time in the college football world, think those hires would be rarer now.)

Maybe Heckendorf will be a candidate 

[repete]

From a "what have you accomplished in Division III" standpoint UST is a much better candidate for D-II than, say, Frostburg. The school has swept the commissioner's cup/all-sports trophy in the MIAC in both men's and women's sports for the past 11 years and has a couple of MBB national titles and a baseball title in that span. Probably more but that's what I know offhand.

That said, of course, Division II is no place for anyone who plays ice hockey. You'd have to play D-I hockey or just give it up entirely as D-II hockey is essentially non-existent.

All right.... now I know.

Not sure about this, but I thought the NCAA was no longer allowing additional schools to do the D1 pux/lax thing and stay D2 or D3. Weren't  schools such as Colorado College, RPI and UMD in hockey and JHU in lax grandfathered into that situation?

[hazzben]

From a "what have you accomplished in Division III" standpoint UST is a much better candidate for D-II than, say, Frostburg. The school has swept the commissioner's cup/all-sports trophy in the MIAC in both men's and women's sports for the past 11 years and has a couple of MBB national titles and a baseball title in that span. Probably more but that's what I know offhand.

That said, of course, Division II is no place for anyone who plays ice hockey. You'd have to play D-I hockey or just give it up entirely as D-II hockey is essentially non-existent.

All right.... now I know.

Not sure about this, but I thought the NCAA was no longer allowing additional schools to do the D1 pux/lax thing and stay D2 or D3. Weren't  schools such as Colorado College, RPI and UMD in hockey and JHU in lax grandfathered into that situation?

In all fairness, I don't think the argument (at least internally) is that UST should be D2. I think the thing they are looking at is going D1. I have zero info on how seriously, but I don't think the debate is d3 vs d2.

[jamtod]

Brown just fired their coach after 25 seasons.
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/11/estes

Any chance a local D3 or D2 guy gets a look?
I wouldn't be upset if Caruso bounced for something relatively high profile like this on the East Coast.

I don't know that Brown is going to hire a D-III head coach. Princeton famously wanted to hire Larry Kehres back in the early part of this century but beyond that, I haven't even heard a D-III head coach mentioned for any Ivy head coaching jobs.

I petitioned for Caruso for the Columbia job few years ago (I did think he could do good job there, but there was, perhaps, also some Johnnie-related motives). Instead they got extremely lucky by luring Al Bagnoli out of retirement, the most successful coach in the Ivy who'd recently left Penn. He's completely turned things around. (And way back when Bagnoli was hired by Penn away from D3 Union, which made the Stagg twice under him. But certainly a different time in the college football world, think those hires would be rarer now.)

Maybe Heckendorf will be a candidate 

Perhaps we can find the AD email address and start a campaign to bombard them with his resume and letters of recommendation.

[sjusection105]

Brown just fired their coach after 25 seasons.
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/11/estes

Any chance a local D3 or D2 guy gets a look?
I wouldn't be upset if Caruso bounced for something relatively high profile like this on the East Coast.

The odds of Caruso leaving UST anytime soon,with the family situations discussed earlier in the year,are slim to none. He's at UST as long as they will have him.He can also earn extra cash running camps and doing speaking engagements at Tommie run businesses in the area if he is so inclined.

[DuffMan]

Another season with no playoffs and they might run him out of town. 

[miac952]

Brown just fired their coach after 25 seasons.
https://news.brown.edu/articles/2018/11/estes

Any chance a local D3 or D2 guy gets a look?
I wouldn't be upset if Caruso bounced for something relatively high profile like this on the East Coast.

The odds of Caruso leaving UST anytime soon,with the family situations discussed earlier in the year,are slim to none. He's at UST as long as they will have him.He can also earn extra cash running camps and doing speaking engagements at Tommie run businesses in the area if he is so inclined.

Bingo! Like it or not he's here for a while. The kids are entrenched in their schools and the extended family lives in the surrounding area as well. If a smaller D1 school came knocking (USD, UND) maybe it would be considered, but even that's unlikely. Most those schools are chasing guys with DI experience. Leipold's success this year could pave the way for others.

As for the DII thoughts. It's a wasteland for nearly all DIII schools. Generally by making that move you now get to pay for scholarships with no more revenue or notoriety for your institution. The academic profile also tends to be a step down as well. Very little gain for anyone, UST included. It's DIII or DI. And DI would be a massive overhaul if the school and athletic department. Football would likely have to think about a non scholarship model like Butler and San Diego or gash a number of existing sports.

[Pat Coleman]

From a "what have you accomplished in Division III" standpoint UST is a much better candidate for D-II than, say, Frostburg. The school has swept the commissioner's cup/all-sports trophy in the MIAC in both men's and women's sports for the past 11 years and has a couple of MBB national titles and a baseball title in that span. Probably more but that's what I know offhand.

That said, of course, Division II is no place for anyone who plays ice hockey. You'd have to play D-I hockey or just give it up entirely as D-II hockey is essentially non-existent.

All right.... now I know.

Not sure about this, but I thought the NCAA was no longer allowing additional schools to do the D1 pux/lax thing and stay D2 or D3. Weren't  schools such as Colorado College, RPI and UMD in hockey and JHU in lax grandfathered into that situation?

That's a D3/D1 thing. I'm not aware of there being a moratorium on new D2/D1 situations. Since there is no D2 hockey to speak of, I don't imagine the NCAA keeping people from being able to compete for a title in hockey the way what you suggest would imply.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

From a "what have you accomplished in Division III" standpoint UST is a much better candidate for D-II than, say, Frostburg. The school has swept the commissioner's cup/all-sports trophy in the MIAC in both men's and women's sports for the past 11 years and has a couple of MBB national titles and a baseball title in that span. Probably more but that's what I know offhand.

That said, of course, Division II is no place for anyone who plays ice hockey. You'd have to play D-I hockey or just give it up entirely as D-II hockey is essentially non-existent.

TWO baseball championship, not one....two softball national championships and one in volleyball and a boatload of MIAC titles in virtually every sport, both genders....not a bad run the past 20 season

[Pat Coleman]

From a "what have you accomplished in Division III" standpoint UST is a much better candidate for D-II than, say, Frostburg. The school has swept the commissioner's cup/all-sports trophy in the MIAC in both men's and women's sports for the past 11 years and has a couple of MBB national titles and a baseball title in that span. Probably more but that's what I know offhand.

That said, of course, Division II is no place for anyone who plays ice hockey. You'd have to play D-I hockey or just give it up entirely as D-II hockey is essentially non-existent.

TWO baseball championship, not one....two softball national championships and one in volleyball and a boatload of MIAC titles in virtually every sport, both genders....not a bad run the past 20 season

Not in the past 11 years.

[BDB]

Every time this "UST should go D2 or D1" thing comes up it seems silly to me to even consider.

To me it's not "could they" but more so "why would they?"

What would be the point?  What is there to gain?

Thanks for taking my call. I'll hang up and listen. 

[DuffMan]

Alright, this talk of U$T moving needs to be squashed.  As much as I hate them, their being good has elevated the top portion of the MIAC, so they're good for the MIAC and should/will stay.

[MiacMan]

Every time this "UST should go D2 or D1" thing comes up it seems silly to me to even consider.

To me it's not "could they" but more so "why would they?"

What would be the point?  What is there to gain?

Thanks for taking my call. I'll hang up and listen. 

Because since the beginning of time (When UST was founded) they have wanted to follow the Notre Dame model. I know for a fact they believe (or did believe at one point) their next step would be a Medical School closely followed by D1 athletics. The whole thing is really not about athletics but D1 athletics is just a part of the blue print. It's a big picture thing with the entire institution. The end game is a Notre Dame but, the next step is a Villanova, Seton Hall, or Miami of Ohio.