FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[rockcat]

D3football guru/baseball know-it-all - Compare his record and stats that year to that of the year before and his performance since. Performance is subjective.

Here, I'll even spell it out for everyone.

2002 - Texas, 13-8, 210 innings, 212 hits, 3.85 ERA
2003 - Twins, 13-8, 195 innings, 227 hits, 4.57 ERA
2006 - Tigers,  11-3, 114 innings, 110 hits, 3.85 ERA

His 2003 numbers are Lohse-esque.

That does not rise to the level of "absolutely awful" as you originally put it, however.

Why did you leave out 2004 and his 4.76 ERA? Seems like a little selective editing.

All of those numbers are better than Jeff Weaver's last year and he signed for over $8,000,000 mother f'ing dollars with the Angels last winter.  Now he is "absolutely awful!"

[Whoa Nelly]

BTW, Strib reporting Liriano is an All-Star, replacing Jose Contreras, citing Twins club sources.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/543359.html

Now if only A.J.'zee caught the stomach virus going around the Mauer'zee house last week...sweet irony indeed.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

D3football guru/baseball know-it-all - Compare his record and stats that year to that of the year before and his performance since. Performance is subjective.

Here, I'll even spell it out for everyone.

2002 - Texas, 13-8, 210 innings, 212 hits, 3.85 ERA
2003 - Twins, 13-8, 195 innings, 227 hits, 4.57 ERA
2006 - Tigers,  11-3, 114 innings, 110 hits, 3.85 ERA

His 2003 numbers are Lohse-esque.

That does not rise to the level of "absolutely awful" as you originally put it, however.

Why did you leave out 2004 and his 4.76 ERA? Seems like a little selective editing.

All of those numbers are better than Jeff Weaver's last year and he signed for over $8,000,000 mother f'ing dollars with the Angels last winter.  Now he is "absolutely awful!"

But the Angles of Los Angeles/San Bernandino/Santa Barbara/Hollywood & Disneyland are rid fo him now, so your point is kinda moot 

[Whoa Nelly]

St. Paul's own Dave Winfield of the U of M #6 on the Top 15 Greatest College Athletes list. 

http://www.cnn.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0606/gallery.greatathletes/content.1.html?cnn=yes

I dug pretty deep, but Miles Tarver did not even make honorable mention.

[DuffMan]

But the Angles of Los Angeles/San Bernandino/Santa Barbara/Hollywood & Disneyland are rid fo him now, so your point is kinda moot 

Maniac, since when is there a team named the "Angles"?  Maybe in a geometry league?

[Kilted Rat]

Closed Circuit to MIAC PP: Read at your own risk

The reality is that Johan, Roy Halladay, or Jose Contreras would be starting tomorrow night in Steel town if they had not pitched on Sunday. 

Tmerton: I would recommend you take our comments with a grain of salt.  While most of what I say is true, KR has a way of bending the truth...

Willy don't flatter Lohse like that.  He is a chump and should be down the road sooner rather than later.

About the All-Sox game pitchers, if Ozzie had any sense to him, he'd reward Liriano for being the best pitcher in baseball and give him the start.
My question is how much will it screw up the Twins' starting rotation. I doubt it could do much more damage than having Silva and Radke and occassionally Boof in it.


Before you go ripping Lohse, and believe me I dislike him and his soul patch as much as anyone else, lets look how the Twins are doing in July now that the streak has ended.


Pitcher     ERA     Win-Loss      Opp Batting Ave
Boof         12.00    0-1                .333
Silva         15.00    0-1                .469
Eyre         13.50    0-0                .467
Crain         2.45     1-1                .214
Rincon       2.25     1-0                .143
Nathan      0.00     0-0                .273
Santana    6.39     0-1                .265
Lohse        2.08     0-0                .226
Liriano       0.00     2-0                .140
Neshek      0.00     0-0                .143 (only faced 7 batters)


As surprising as it may be and also keeping in mind this is only an 8 game stretch, Lohse has the 4th best ERA on the team and has a better opp BA, ERA, or both than Santana, Boof, Eyre, Crain, and Silva.


The Twins desperately need a 3rd quality starter, We all know Lohse is not it and it appears neither is Radke, Boof, Eyre, or Crain. I see Baker is back on the 40 man roster, maybe he can make a difference.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

BTW, Strib reporting Liriano is an All-Star, replacing Jose Contreras, citing Twins club sources.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/543359.html

Now if only A.J.'zee caught the stomach virus going around the Mauer'zee house last week...sweet irony indeed.

Why all the ripping on AJ? when he was here, he was a great asset to the Twins, an All-Star catcher who earned the spot.  He then was lucrative trade bait that brought us Liriano, Nathan and Bonser. He has nothing but good things to say about his time here and the fans here. Having met him several times, I can state he is a truly class act and a down-to-earth guy. He is a hard-nosed competitor who wants to win...maybe if more Twins players (see Hunter, Torii for prime example) had that same drive, they'd be 11 games ahead not 11 behind

[johnnie_esq]

BTW, Strib reporting Liriano is an All-Star, replacing Jose Contreras, citing Twins club sources.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/543359.html

Now if only A.J.'zee caught the stomach virus going around the Mauer'zee house last week...sweet irony indeed.

Why all the ripping on AJ? when he was here, he was a great asset to the Twins, an All-Star catcher who earned the spot.  He then was lucrative trade bait that brought us Liriano, Nathan and Bonser. He has nothing but good things to say about his time here and the fans here. Having met him several times, I can state he is a truly class act and a down-to-earth guy. He is a hard-nosed competitor who wants to win...maybe if more Twins players (see Hunter, Torii for prime example) had that same drive, they'd be 11 games ahead not 11 behind

I agree with you, MM.  AJ was always one of my favorite Twins to watch, if only because he annoyed opponents so much. He was a team player and always came to play-- playing hard on every pitch.   I was sorry to get rid of him, but we needed to open a hole for Mauer (who's done ok) and we got a sweet deal (did the Giants hire the Vikings trade staff?).

I hold no ill wishes for AJ-- he's, in my mind, the only "good" White Sox member.

I miss the "young" team with Mienkeiwitz, Hunter, Jones, Koskie, Rivas, and the rest playing their rears off every game, and TK making them come early or staying late for batting/fielding practice.  Fun to watch, even if they didn't win.

[Kilted Rat]

I was in Scheel's today when I saw a monstrocity by the checkout:

For $60 you can buy your very own set of BlongoBalls!





No thanks, I'll make my own thank you.



And if you really wanna step your game up, you can play on-line by clicking the link on the right hand side.

This site even lets you order different colored balls to hang. I'd stay away from the Blue Balls, but that's just a personal preference

[Buckman]

My question is how much will it screw up the Twins' starting rotation. I doubt it could do much more damage than having Silva and Radke and occassionally Boof in it.

I heard during the broadcast yesterday that the Twins are planning on using the All-Star break to adjust their rotation so that Santana and Liriano are not throwing back to back.  How Liriano being selected to the All Star game will affect that, I don't know.  Rotation now should be something like Santana, Radke, Liriano, Silva, Bonser.

[Kilted Rat]

I heard during the broadcast yesterday that the Twins are planning on using the All-Star break to adjust their rotation so that Santana and Liriano are not throwing back to back.  How Liriano being selected to the All Star game will affect that, I don't know.  Rotation now should be something like Santana, Radke, Liriano, Silva, Bonser.

I was thinking Santana, Radke, Liriano, Blyleven, then repeat.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I heard during the broadcast yesterday that the Twins are planning on using the All-Star break to adjust their rotation so that Santana and Liriano are not throwing back to back.  How Liriano being selected to the All Star game will affect that, I don't know.  Rotation now should be something like Santana, Radke, Liriano, Silva, Bonser.

I was thinking Santana, Radke, Liriano, Blyleven, then repeat.

I was thinking more Santana, rain out, Radke, Liriano, rainout, Saintana, rain, off day, Liriano...

[Whoa Nelly]

BTW, Strib reporting Liriano is an All-Star, replacing Jose Contreras, citing Twins club sources.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/543359.html

Now if only A.J.'zee caught the stomach virus going around the Mauer'zee house last week...sweet irony indeed.

Why all the ripping on AJ? when he was here, he was a great asset to the Twins, an All-Star catcher who earned the spot.  He then was lucrative trade bait that brought us Liriano, Nathan and Bonser. He has nothing but good things to say about his time here and the fans here. Having met him several times, I can state he is a truly class act and a down-to-earth guy. He is a hard-nosed competitor who wants to win...maybe if more Twins players (see Hunter, Torii for prime example) had that same drive, they'd be 11 games ahead not 11 behind

I like his aggressive attitude and toughness - as well as his ability to come back from 0-2 and 1-2 counts by slapping 4-5 pitches foul.  The damage he has done at the plate are not huge numbers but a .320 average is very good (althouth .244 RISP).  He's there because he is a marketable player for MLB.  He could co-host The Best Damn Sports Show Period for as much as he is on it.  MLB needs  spice and he is a tolerable flavor.  However, he wasn't traded only because Baby Jesus was ready to come up to the majors.  The trade was great for Minnesota but I doubt even they knew how one-sided it was when they started negotiating.  I've heard some say he was a cancer (I've heard others say he wasn't), but San Fran couldn't stand him for more than a season so that tells me he was some kind of an issue. 

By "several times" do you mean you visited with him during charity golf outings or PR photo opts with sick kids, or did you hang out and have a few beers?  If the latter is the case I will take your word for it - but even Jose Conseco could probably pull off nice if it was some social/team mixer for fans or a charity.  I'm not saying he goes around punching babies or anything, but he must be hard to work with (behind the scenes) - just look at how the front office of MN and SF dealt with him.  Also, MLB players did little to vote him in - it took the 3rd largest market and a lot of campaigning to get him in - and it was still close in fan voting.

My 5:00 appointment didn't show - what a pisser.  Time to hit the crosstown.   

[piperinsider]

Since we're talking Twins, add Rubin Sierra to the departed list. What an offseason. Two guys who are a cut, one that is on the DL, hitting .193 at AAA, and a second baseman with one leg and a .270 avg.

I would imagine Santana doesn't pitch Tuesday, and thus starts on three days rest on Thursday. Radke on Friday. Liriano on Saturday. Scott Baker on Sunday. Boof Bonser on Monday.

I suspect we may find Silva on the DL by Thursday.

[rockcat]

All of those numbers are better than Jeff Weaver's last year and he signed for over $8,000,000 mother f'ing dollars with the Angels last winter.  Now he is "absolutely awful!"

But the Angles of Los Angeles/San Bernandino/Santa Barbara/Hollywood & Disneyland are rid fo him now, so your point is kinda moot 

Not really...they got rid of him but are still paying part of his salary.