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miac952

Quote from: DuffMan on September 18, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
I'm interested to see if St. Glenn begins a 2019 run of terror in the MIAC.

If teams like Buena Vista and Concordia WI are hanging quadruple monkey stomps on the bottom of the MIAC I am betting Glenn will be a very small factor in a very ridiculous outcome. The MIAC is a two tier conference right now (UST, SJU, Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus) and (St Olaf, Carleton, Hamline, Augsburg). The Oles and Gusties are on the edges of their respective tiers.

Did Hamline and Auggie Tech's President's complain the last couple weeks to Buena Vista and Concordia Wisconsin about "competitive parity?" That is the $ Million question.

bleedpurple

Quote from: miac952 on September 18, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on September 18, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
I'm interested to see if St. Glenn begins a 2019 run of terror in the MIAC.

If teams like Buena Vista and Concordia WI are hanging quadruple monkey stomps on the bottom of the MIAC I am betting Glenn will be a very small factor in a very ridiculous outcome. The MIAC is a two tier conference right now (UST, SJU, Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus) and (St Olaf, Carleton, Hamline, Augsburg). The Oles and Gusties are on the edges of their respective tiers.

Did Hamline and Auggie Tech's President's complain the last couple weeks to Buena Vista and Concordia Wisconsin about "competitive parity?" That is the $ Million question.

Forgive me if this question has been answered earlier about the UST getting tossed from the MIAC thing.  When the schools put this idea into action, did they imply that St. Thomas did something wrong? Or did they simply conclude that too many schools just didn't want to try to compete with them?

Is "competitive parity" really a value of the MIAC or was that a joke? Seems like freedom (within the rules) and opportunity should be the values. Competitive parity ought to be neither good nor bad, but simply be one many possible organic outcomes of a competitive season.

jamtod

Quote from: bleedpurple on September 18, 2019, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: miac952 on September 18, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on September 18, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
I'm interested to see if St. Glenn begins a 2019 run of terror in the MIAC.

If teams like Buena Vista and Concordia WI are hanging quadruple monkey stomps on the bottom of the MIAC I am betting Glenn will be a very small factor in a very ridiculous outcome. The MIAC is a two tier conference right now (UST, SJU, Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus) and (St Olaf, Carleton, Hamline, Augsburg). The Oles and Gusties are on the edges of their respective tiers.

Did Hamline and Auggie Tech's President's complain the last couple weeks to Buena Vista and Concordia Wisconsin about "competitive parity?" That is the $ Million question.

Forgive me if this question has been answered earlier about the UST getting tossed from the MIAC thing.  When the schools put this idea into action, did they imply that St. Thomas did something wrong? Or did they simply conclude that too many schools just didn't want to try to compete with them?

Is "competitive parity" really a value of the MIAC or was that a joke? Seems like freedom (within the rules) and opportunity should be the values. Competitive parity ought to be neither good nor bad, but simply be one many possible organic outcomes of a competitive season.

There was no official implication that St Thomas (or Coach Caruso or any of the other coaches) did anything wrong or against the rules. From the official press release:

QuoteThe MIAC Presidents' Council cites athletic competitive parity in the conference as a primary concern.

MiacMan

Quote from: DuffMan on September 18, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
I'm interested to see if St. Glenn begins a 2019 run of terror in the MIAC.

Not 100% sure what you mean here but, from what I've seen thus far, I don't believe the Tommies have the fire power to terrorize very many teams other than Hamline, Carleton and apparently Augsburg. They will really need some folks to step up to another level especially if the Gusties proof to be legit this week by staying close to the Jays.

bleedpurple

Quote from: jamtod on September 18, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 18, 2019, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: miac952 on September 18, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on September 18, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
I'm interested to see if St. Glenn begins a 2019 run of terror in the MIAC.

If teams like Buena Vista and Concordia WI are hanging quadruple monkey stomps on the bottom of the MIAC I am betting Glenn will be a very small factor in a very ridiculous outcome. The MIAC is a two tier conference right now (UST, SJU, Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus) and (St Olaf, Carleton, Hamline, Augsburg). The Oles and Gusties are on the edges of their respective tiers.

Did Hamline and Auggie Tech's President's complain the last couple weeks to Buena Vista and Concordia Wisconsin about "competitive parity?" That is the $ Million question.

Forgive me if this question has been answered earlier about the UST getting tossed from the MIAC thing.  When the schools put this idea into action, did they imply that St. Thomas did something wrong? Or did they simply conclude that too many schools just didn't want to try to compete with them?

Is "competitive parity" really a value of the MIAC or was that a joke? Seems like freedom (within the rules) and opportunity should be the values. Competitive parity ought to be neither good nor bad, but simply be one many possible organic outcomes of a competitive season.

There was no official implication that St Thomas (or Coach Caruso or any of the other coaches) did anything wrong or against the rules. From the official press release:

QuoteThe MIAC Presidents' Council cites athletic competitive parity in the conference as a primary concern.

Just my outside opinion, but...

If the Presidents would have implied St. Thomas did something wrong by being good, I think there would have been great cause for a demand for their collective sanities to be checked...

But having said that...

A lack of athletic competitive parity between the tops and bottom of conferences has existed every since conferences have existed! Two ideas that would have been better than kicking out St. Thomas:

1. Make the Tommies, Johnnies, and Royals wear ankle weights when they play the lower level teams.

or

2. Give the lower level teams "participation trophies" every year. For whatever reason, this whole things feels like it's stemming from that line of thinking, anyway.

Would both solutions be ridiculous? Of course, but that's my point.

Sorry for the ranting intrusion, but this sucks. St. Thomas, St. John's, Bethel, Concordia, and hopefully others are too good for this.

Back to actual MIAC football. May the good teams stay good and the bad teams get better. As MUC57 would say, Go Everybody!

DuffMan

Quote from: MiacMan on September 18, 2019, 12:36:49 PM
...especially if the Gusties proof to be legit this week by staying close to the Jays.

I'm very intrigued.  The Gusties put up quite the struggle last season, though the game was played in brutal heat at St. Peter High School (no weather alterations yet this year!).  The Johnnies eventually wore them down, but it wasn't a given.  I was very surprised that the Gusties beat Stout.

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: '32, '35, '36, '38, '53, '62, '63, '65, '71, '74, '75, '76, '77, '79, '82, '85, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95, '96, '98, '99, '01, '02, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09, '14, '18, '19, '21, '22, '24
National Champions: '63, '65, '76, '03

sjujohnnie

The game notes for St John's test against Gustavus have been posted!

hazzben


kubiack78

How far away from St. John's is Spicer and Brainerd?  I was up that way this past Friday.

DuffMan

Spicer is about an hour.  Brainerd maybe 2 hours.

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: '32, '35, '36, '38, '53, '62, '63, '65, '71, '74, '75, '76, '77, '79, '82, '85, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95, '96, '98, '99, '01, '02, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09, '14, '18, '19, '21, '22, '24
National Champions: '63, '65, '76, '03

DuffMan

How long has Veldman been at GAC?  Is he on the Ryan Keating track?  Sheesh!

A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: '32, '35, '36, '38, '53, '62, '63, '65, '71, '74, '75, '76, '77, '79, '82, '85, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95, '96, '98, '99, '01, '02, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09, '14, '18, '19, '21, '22, '24
National Champions: '63, '65, '76, '03

jamtod

Quote from: DuffMan on September 19, 2019, 09:10:35 AM
How long has Veldman been at GAC?  Is he on the Ryan Keating track?  Sheesh!

About as long as Erdmann at SJU.
They both came in the same year, I think also the same as Perra. Veldman has had some injury issues too, maybe moreso than Erdmann did.

Texas Ole

Quote from: bleedpurple on September 18, 2019, 12:46:03 PM
Quote from: jamtod on September 18, 2019, 12:10:22 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on September 18, 2019, 11:49:42 AM
Quote from: miac952 on September 18, 2019, 11:34:27 AM
Quote from: DuffMan on September 18, 2019, 10:01:47 AM
I'm interested to see if St. Glenn begins a 2019 run of terror in the MIAC.

If teams like Buena Vista and Concordia WI are hanging quadruple monkey stomps on the bottom of the MIAC I am betting Glenn will be a very small factor in a very ridiculous outcome. The MIAC is a two tier conference right now (UST, SJU, Bethel, Concordia, Gustavus) and (St Olaf, Carleton, Hamline, Augsburg). The Oles and Gusties are on the edges of their respective tiers.

Did Hamline and Auggie Tech's President's complain the last couple weeks to Buena Vista and Concordia Wisconsin about "competitive parity?" That is the $ Million question.

Forgive me if this question has been answered earlier about the UST getting tossed from the MIAC thing.  When the schools put this idea into action, did they imply that St. Thomas did something wrong? Or did they simply conclude that too many schools just didn't want to try to compete with them?

Is "competitive parity" really a value of the MIAC or was that a joke? Seems like freedom (within the rules) and opportunity should be the values. Competitive parity ought to be neither good nor bad, but simply be one many possible organic outcomes of a competitive season.

There was no official implication that St Thomas (or Coach Caruso or any of the other coaches) did anything wrong or against the rules. From the official press release:

QuoteThe MIAC Presidents' Council cites athletic competitive parity in the conference as a primary concern.

Just my outside opinion, but...

If the Presidents would have implied St. Thomas did something wrong by being good, I think there would have been great cause for a demand for their collective sanities to be checked...

But having said that...

A lack of athletic competitive parity between the tops and bottom of conferences has existed every since conferences have existed! Two ideas that would have been better than kicking out St. Thomas:

1. Make the Tommies, Johnnies, and Royals wear ankle weights when they play the lower level teams.

or

2. Give the lower level teams "participation trophies" every year. For whatever reason, this whole things feels like it's stemming from that line of thinking, anyway.

Would both solutions be ridiculous? Of course, but that's my point.

Sorry for the ranting intrusion, but this sucks. St. Thomas, St. John's, Bethel, Concordia, and hopefully others are too good for this.

Back to actual MIAC football. May the good teams stay good and the bad teams get better. As MUC57 would say, Go Everybody!

There are probably 3 tiers to the MIAC for football.  It seems like there is generally a group that is very good and playoff caliber.  There is the competitive group where they will compete, but are not a championship contender.  Then there are bottom feeders.  I think the top 3 are an easy pick.  I am not sure St. Olaf is in the second tier yet.  They were a .500 team last year, and it is likely the same this year.  There is a lot of rebuilding to do with the program.

miac952

A wonderful article about Michael Herzog's miraculous journey. The MIAC's version of satan, at least according to Faunch & Oz, is also highlighted by Michael in the article.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/football/4667022-Former-Cobbers-quarterback-says-I-have-a-better-life-six-months-after-surviving-serious-gas-explosion

Retired Old Rat

Quote from: miac952 on September 19, 2019, 09:38:59 PM
A wonderful article about Michael Herzog's miraculous journey. The MIAC's version of satan, at least according to Faunch & Oz, is also highlighted by Michael in the article.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/football/4667022-Former-Cobbers-quarterback-says-I-have-a-better-life-six-months-after-surviving-serious-gas-explosion

Touching story. Great that his recovery has gone so exceptionally well.

Tip of the hat to Glenn Caruso. Very thoughtful of him. Above and beyond what could be expected. I think most of us can separate Caruso the coach from Caruso the human being. Faunch has made this distinction in conversation with me many times.
   
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