FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DuffMan]

SJU/Auggie Tech Game Notes are out.  I think this one will get ugly.

[jamtod]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.citypages.com/news/excommunicated-st-thomas-proved-too-good-at-sports-and-building-a-college/561900561

Wow. That's some piece of work. The Tommie Media Dept and the Committee to Achieve D1 must have put some real effort into that press release.

A good chunk of it felt really grossly Press Releasey, but then the author tried to balance it out with some trademarked Oz talking points.
My biggest takeaway is that that author doesn't really have a great grasp of D3 and MIAC athletics.

[jamtod]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.citypages.com/news/excommunicated-st-thomas-proved-too-good-at-sports-and-building-a-college/561900561

Wow. That's some piece of work. The Tommie Media Dept and the Committee to Achieve D1 must have put some real effort into that press release.

A good chunk of it felt really grossly Press Releasey, but then the author tried to balance it out with some trademarked Oz talking points.
My biggest takeaway is that that author doesn't really have a great grasp of D3 and MIAC athletics.

From the comments on the piece. This is interesting:

The irony is the author is a St. John's graduate as am I. John Rosengren is an execellent writer and past editor of the The Record, the student newspaper in Collegeville, if I'm not mistaken when I was there.

[Pat Coleman]

John Rosengren is indeed an excellent writer and a published author.

[TheChucker]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.citypages.com/news/excommunicated-st-thomas-proved-too-good-at-sports-and-building-a-college/561900561

Good article. Thanks for the link. Similar to others comments here, I did seem to open with a pro-UST press release type feel too it...but there's obviously a lot to admire with how the school has grown, offering high demand majors that others don't, etc., so the positivity makes sense. To the author's credit, he did end it with some counterpoints like discussing the school's financial advantage especially on staffing, facilities, and geographic advantage - and how those put UST in a different stratosphere than most of the MIAC. This article, and almost all other articles, are light on discussing any financial aid advantages and/or academic selectiveness - but at least he addressed it.

[OzJohnnie]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.citypages.com/news/excommunicated-st-thomas-proved-too-good-at-sports-and-building-a-college/561900561

Wow. That's some piece of work. The Tommie Media Dept and the Committee to Achieve D1 must have put some real effort into that press release.

A good chunk of it felt really grossly Press Releasey, but then the author tried to balance it out with some trademarked Oz talking points.
My biggest takeaway is that that author doesn't really have a great grasp of D3 and MIAC athletics.

It's interesting that there isn't a single on or off the record quote from anyone else in the MIAC.  Former SJU pres Hemesath gave a one sentence quote in semi-sympathy with UST but that was it.  Talk about radio discipline.

[art76]

It's interesting that there isn't a single on or off the record quote from anyone else in the MIAC.  Former SJU pres Hemesath gave a one sentence quote in semi-sympathy with UST but that was it.  Talk about radio discipline.

Is there any chance that a vote was never taken, just the threat to vote the Tommies out if they didn't leave? Is this a conspiracy theory of my own making, or did they actually vote to remove them? You know, plausible deniability, and all that. Maybe that's why nobody is speaking about how they voted. Possible, or not?

[SagatagSam]

It's interesting that there isn't a single on or off the record quote from anyone else in the MIAC.  Former SJU pres Hemesath gave a one sentence quote in semi-sympathy with UST but that was it.  Talk about radio discipline.

Is there any chance that a vote was never taken, just the threat to vote the Tommies out if they didn't leave? Is this a conspiracy theory of my own making, or did they actually vote to remove them? You know, plausible deniability, and all that. Maybe that's why nobody is speaking about how they voted. Possible, or not?

It's always been my understanding that there never was an actual vote on the resolution. There was some kind of a straw poll and the Toms saw the writing on the wall, so instead of being voted out they left under protest.  Much like in the labor market, it probably looks better on the resume of an applicant (to another conference) to have resigned as opposed to getting fired.

[57Johnnie]

I never heard of a vote being taken.
I heard straw poll rumors.

[AO]

It's interesting that there isn't a single on or off the record quote from anyone else in the MIAC.  Former SJU pres Hemesath gave a one sentence quote in semi-sympathy with UST but that was it.  Talk about radio discipline.

Is there any chance that a vote was never taken, just the threat to vote the Tommies out if they didn't leave? Is this a conspiracy theory of my own making, or did they actually vote to remove them? You know, plausible deniability, and all that. Maybe that's why nobody is speaking about how they voted. Possible, or not?

It's always been my understanding that there never was an actual vote on the resolution. There was some kind of a straw poll and the Toms saw the writing on the wall, so instead of being voted out they left under protest.  Much like in the labor market, it probably looks better on the resume of an applicant (to another conference) to have resigned as opposed to getting fired.

In this case, the Tommies did want to make it clear they were fired (involuntarily removed) as that might assist them in appeals with the NCAA or with alumni who would have preferred they stayed in the MIAC.

[formerd3db]

It's interesting that there isn't a single on or off the record quote from anyone else in the MIAC.  Former SJU pres Hemesath gave a one sentence quote in semi-sympathy with UST but that was it.  Talk about radio discipline.

Is there any chance that a vote was never taken, just the threat to vote the Tommies out if they didn't leave? Is this a conspiracy theory of my own making, or did they actually vote to remove them? You know, plausible deniability, and all that. Maybe that's why nobody is speaking about how they voted. Possible, or not?

It's always been my understanding that there never was an actual vote on the resolution. There was some kind of a straw poll and the Toms saw the writing on the wall, so instead of being voted out they left under protest.  Much like in the labor market, it probably looks better on the resume of an applicant (to another conference) to have resigned as opposed to getting fired.

The problem with that in all of those types of situations is, in reality, everyone still knows what the underlying truth is.   Some people, however, just like to play that "semantics game."   Yet, the truth always comes out, if not right away, eventually.

[jamtod]

It's interesting that there isn't a single on or off the record quote from anyone else in the MIAC.  Former SJU pres Hemesath gave a one sentence quote in semi-sympathy with UST but that was it.  Talk about radio discipline.

Is there any chance that a vote was never taken, just the threat to vote the Tommies out if they didn't leave? Is this a conspiracy theory of my own making, or did they actually vote to remove them? You know, plausible deniability, and all that. Maybe that's why nobody is speaking about how they voted. Possible, or not?

There was no vote, as there was no grounds (moral/legal) for directly kicking UST out. If a vote was taken, it would have been to impose whatever new bylaw (enrollment cap or whatever) was necessarily to indirectly remove UST, which I suspect could have had other future impacts.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.citypages.com/news/excommunicated-st-thomas-proved-too-good-at-sports-and-building-a-college/561900561

Wow. That's some piece of work. The Tommie Media Dept and the Committee to Achieve D1 must have put some real effort into that press release.

Gotta love how "the Red Tommie-Hater" immediately dismisses the article as "Tommie propaganda" but then backpedals when he is informed it was written by a SJ2 alum. 

[OzJohnnie]

I'll just leave this here. http://www.citypages.com/news/excommunicated-st-thomas-proved-too-good-at-sports-and-building-a-college/561900561

Wow. That's some piece of work. The Tommie Media Dept and the Committee to Achieve D1 must have put some real effort into that press release.

Gotta love how "the Red Tommie-Hater" immediately dismisses the article as "Tommie propaganda" but then backpedals when he is informed it was written by a SJ2 alum. 

What back pedal?  I did not pedal backwards.  It is a Tommie press release.  Point me to the back pedal.

I'm love how Johnnie-haters are so blind with rage that they make up their own posts to get raged about.

[DuffMan]

What back pedal?

Perhaps miesmaniac is slipping into senility.