FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DuffMan]

The Wheaton/SJU and UWW/SJU games (and probably others) showed just how little room for error there is in a bid for #1.  Every aspect of the game comes into play--every play is a big play.  Unfortunately, the Johnnies came up a tad short. 

[retagent]

That's a club I do not want to be a member of.

That being said, I do think some took exception when no offense was meant. Prior to the Playoffs, I thought, and I bet I was not alone in thinking that there were a good number of teams that, had they made it to the Stagg, I would not have been surprised. UMU, UWW, SJU. UMHB, WHEATON, NCC, to name them. That's what I think The Sage(r) was trying to say. It wasn't just an ex post facto observation, although the closeness of earlier games factored in.

My thoughts are now on next year for my Johnnies. Who takes over as QB? Could it be weekly, or even within a game decision, much like UWW this year? The indecision doesn't seem to have hurt them. Can the O Line be rebuilt. There are also defensive holes to be filled, .

[DuffMan]

Who takes over as QB?

Rumors are swirling...

[sjusection105]

The Wheaton/SJU and UWW/SJU games (and probably others) showed just how little room for error there is in a bid for #1.  Every aspect of the game comes into play--every play is a big play.  Unfortunately, the Johnnies came up a tad short. 

Special Teams need to be special in every aspect as the competition is much tougher in the play-off than vs the bottom half of the conference.

[jamtod]

The Wheaton/SJU and UWW/SJU games (and probably others) showed just how little room for error there is in a bid for #1.  Every aspect of the game comes into play--every play is a big play.  Unfortunately, the Johnnies came up a tad short. 

Special Teams need to be special in every aspect as the competition is much tougher in the play-off than vs the bottom half of the conference.

Looks like Kummer is a junior, so he could be back?
I just realized that I knew his mom/family a little bit, back in the day when I worked youth ministry in Hastings (for one glorious year).

[USee]

Sager is one of the most rational and fair fans/posters on these boards. He is a loyal fan of North Park (and an alum) and his intrinsic distaste for Wheaton goes back several decades. Plus, anyone who can root for NPU football and post on these boards since inception should be celebrated as they have been in the bottom 100 of the division since forever.

I saw nothing wrong with Sager's post (and he and I have battled many a time on these boards) and though I sometimes find myself fast forwarding through or checking my dictionary during his lengthy discourses, I find him to be one of the most reasonable posters in all of D3.com.

[Gregory Sager]

There were a couple posts that I made that I regret and have removed. I also think I have a unique perspective on this board and that is this:

While I lived for over a decade a few miles from Collegeville, married a gal from the area and personally know many of the SJU posters on here, I don't qualify as a MIAC guy. So even with these relationships and about 15 years of being active on this board, there are times I see it as appropriate for me to stand aside and not get involved in the discussion.

I think these MIAC guys, rivalries and all, do a pretty good job of policing themselves. I do not think the moderator read the room very well the other night and certainly didn't take any hints to that fact. That doesn't preclude him from posting whatever he wants, including calling me a "hanger on."

Again, I regret a few posts I made and have removed them. I grew up a few hundred feet from my home town city dump so I'm not  the most polished jewel in the display case.

I also want to mention that while we are guests on this site, I think we also qualify as customers and not just users. Respect among us needs to go both ways.

I don't think that whether I "read the room very well" or not is a pertinent issue. People are welcome to post their thoughts here whenever they like, and about whatever they like. And my post wasn't tangential at all -- it was a direct reply to someone else's (emma17's) post and was relevant to the subject at hand (the comparative abilities of SJU and UWW). Yes, I was well aware that the tenor here when I originally posted was that of sadness on the part of the Johnnies fans, but there's neither a written nor an unwritten rule that everybody has to kowtow to the prevailing mood on a board whenever they post on it. I've been a part of d3boards.com since its inception over two decades ago, and I've never seen a board react like that when someone posted something that didn't match the mood of the moment.

What I don't think you get was that there were no "hints". Instead, there were immediate demands that I get off of the board, as though the MIAC board was the exclusive property of Johnnies fans and their invited guests, and since I refused to be bullied those demands were quickly followed by personal attacks.

From my point of view, "hanger-on" was an obvious appellation, since you post here constantly but by your own admission (and by your own handle) you're neither a MIAC guy nor a St. John's guy in particular. Yet, in spite of the fact that you had no skin in the game, you saw fit to join the lynch mob, anyway, and in fact you made it more personal towards me than OzJohnnie, DuffMan, or Redtooth did. Nevertheless, I didn't realize that the whole "hanger-on" thing is a sore spot with you. Regardless of that, since I said it, I apologize for it. Unwitting offense is still offense, and I'll take responsibility for it.

With regard to your last line, I try to be considerate towards everyone who posts on d3boards.com (and, admittedly, I sometimes fail at that), and I do respect many others who post here. But respect has to be earned, and it can be lost as well. Trying to run someone off of a board, and casting personal insults at him, is a good way to do that. Having said all that, I recognize that you're reaching out here, and I do respect anyone who can man up and make a public apology. So, if it's alright with you, I'd prefer to bury the hatchet and move on.

There were a couple posts that I made that I regret and have removed.

I appreciate that. I don't remember when I called you a hanger-on, but I apologize because we should all be able to feel a part of any segment of the Division III community!

I suspect some are attributing a greater administrator status to Mr Sager than is accurate, and thus reading more into him as an official representative of this site.

I also suspect that Mr Sager's history and reputation (on this board and others) factored into how some of the folks here interpreted his comments, coupled with alcohol consumption and sadness over the end to a solid season.

Who, little old me?

I just can't figure out how my "history and reputation" got interpreted as me being a Wheaton fan. The people who run NPU would ban me from the campus of my alma mater and take away my announcer's mic if they even suspected that I had given in to the dark side and pledged my allegiance to the west suburban Death Star.

Sager is one of the most rational and fair fans/posters on these boards. He is a loyal fan of North Park (and an alum) and his intrinsic distaste for Wheaton goes back several decades. Plus, anyone who can root for NPU football and post on these boards since inception should be celebrated as they have been in the bottom 100 of the division since forever.

I saw nothing wrong with Sager's post (and he and I have battled many a time on these boards) and though I sometimes find myself fast forwarding through or checking my dictionary during his lengthy discourses, I find him to be one of the most reasonable posters in all of D3.com.

Thanks, USee -- especially for typing "celebrated" when I know that you were tempted to type "committed to an insane asylum" instead.

[repete]

In some ways it seems having a great field/bracket is a double-edge sword. Great fun to watch, but things did seem to get a bit amped up. When the dust clears, I wonder how this how tournament will rate ... from selection Sunday to the final Stagg whistle.

[sfury]

That's a club I do not want to be a member of.

That being said, I do think some took exception when no offense was meant. Prior to the Playoffs, I thought, and I bet I was not alone in thinking that there were a good number of teams that, had they made it to the Stagg, I would not have been surprised. UMU, UWW, SJU. UMHB, WHEATON, NCC, to name them. That's what I think The Sage(r) was trying to say. It wasn't just an ex post facto observation, although the closeness of earlier games factored in.

My thoughts are now on next year for my Johnnies. Who takes over as QB? Could it be weekly, or even within a game decision, much like UWW this year? The indecision doesn't seem to have hurt them. Can the O Line be rebuilt. There are also defensive holes to be filled, .

I know it's worked for other schools, especially Mount numerous times, but SJU's history for the past 30 years or so is that QB indecision is not a good thing. 97, early 01, early 04, '11, etc. Even when there was some Alvord-Erdmann debates (wow), that wasn't the best. So hopefully there's a guy, even if he's not like the last guy (and obviously there's a 99 percent chance he won't be).

Speaking of Erdmann, was reading a story on him when he was named 2014 Pi Press player of the year. Worth reading to realize how remarkable it was he ended up having the career he did. Broken leg, which he played on in a playoff loss, but more threatening, a pretty terrifying neurological disorder before senior year that left him unable to even throw a ball with his coaching dad, Jeff.

https://www.twincities.com/2014/11/18/rosemount-qb-jackson-erdmann-is-pioneer-press-football-player-of-year/

[D O.C.]

Kumbaya

[DuffMan]

Even when there was some Alvord-Erdmann debates (wow)...

The crazy thing is that Alvord was a damn good QB, too.  Timing just didn't work out for him.

[SJUrube]

Even when there was some Alvord-Erdmann debates (wow)...

The crazy thing is that Alvord was a damn good QB, too.  Timing just didn't work out for him.

This is how I feel about my career and being on the same team as Blake Elliott. 

[sfury]

Even when there was some Alvord-Erdmann debates (wow)...

The crazy thing is that Alvord was a damn good QB, too.  Timing just didn't work out for him.

This is how I feel about my career and being on the same team as Blake Elliott. 

I for one am glad you didn't go the Jalen Hurts route and transfer to the Tommies and become an all-american receiver there. Your texts would be much less entertaining if you were ripping on Johnnies instead of Tommies.

And Alvord was outstanding, definitely could have had great career at pretty much any other MIAC school.

[DuffMan]

This is how I feel about my career and being on the same team as Blake Elliott. 

I was thinking the same. 

[DuffMan]

I for one am glad you didn't go the Jalen Hurts route and transfer to the Tommies and become an all-american receiver there.

Especially considering he has a family legacy there.