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sjusection105

Quote from: DuffMan on December 17, 2019, 04:12:15 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2020 will see lots returning at the skill positions
- Alston, Hodge, Mohr, Trost, Patrick Udoboibok 76% receptions, 78% yards, 67% Tds
- Trost Udoboibok 27% attempts, 34% net yards, 48% TDs

Who's Patrick Udoibok?  I only know Kenneth and Peter...and if Peter is transferring -->  ;D
Blake Patrick, he is using last names....... :P
As of now they're on DOUBLE SECRET Probation!

DuffMan


A tradition unrivaled...
MIAC Champions: '32, '35, '36, '38, '53, '62, '63, '65, '71, '74, '75, '76, '77, '79, '82, '85, '89, '91, '93, '94, '95, '96, '98, '99, '01, '02, '03, '05, '06, '08, '09, '14, '18, '19, '21, '22, '24
National Champions: '63, '65, '76, '03

USTBench

Quote from: DuffMan on December 17, 2019, 11:59:24 AM
And I hope that U$T is swallowed up by a sinkhole!

We'd just use it to build a hockey arena.
Augsburg University: 2021 MIAC Spring Football Champions

sjusection105

Quote from: USTBench on December 17, 2019, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: DuffMan on December 17, 2019, 11:59:24 AM
And I hope that U$T is swallowed up by a sinkhole!

We'd just use it to build a hockey arena.
U$T would be better off with soccer, SCSU is going to need a natural in-state rival  ::)
As of now they're on DOUBLE SECRET Probation!

RoyalsFan

Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

SJUrube

Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

hazzben

Quote from: SJUrube on December 18, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

Is this like a Madden Rating for SJU QB's  ;D

jamtod

So who's ready for the 2019 MIACademic Bowl now that we are all in the offseason?

It's our last offseason together folks.
:'(  :'(  :'(

RoyalsFan

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Quote from: SJUrube on December 18, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the relevance of those percentages alone. I would imagine pretty much every team that has a full time starting qb would have similar percentages. All those percentages mean is that the backup(s) didn't get very much playing time.

GoldandBlueBU

Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 03:03:03 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 18, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

I guess I'm having a hard time understanding the relevance of those percentages. I would imagine pretty much every team that has a full time starting qb would have similar percentages. All those percentages mean is that the backup(s) didn't get very much playing time.

True on the QB, in the case of a team where there isn't competition for the #1 position.  Much more relevant for the receivers.

MadRedFan

Quote from: SJUrube on December 18, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

It's an interesting "metric" - but in this case, would be fun to know % of minutes played too.  Backes played a fair amount, but they didn't really pass all that much when he was in the games.  So, you know, he may have gotten a fair amount of PT and experience even tho not a corresponding amount of yardage,completions, TD's, etc.

RoyalsFan

Quote from: MadRedFan on December 18, 2019, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 18, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

It's an interesting "metric" - but in this case, would be fun to know % of minutes played too.  Backes played a fair amount, but they didn't really pass all that much when he was in the games.  So, you know, he may have gotten a fair amount of PT and experience even tho not a corresponding amount of yardage,completions, TD's, etc.

Precisely - that's why those percentages without other factors aren't very meaningful. Even with % of minutes played, if a backup gets in the game, it is usually because the team has the game well in hand and are more likely to just run the ball.

SJUrube

Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 03:21:35 PM
Quote from: MadRedFan on December 18, 2019, 03:14:03 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 18, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Quote from: RoyalsFan on December 18, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: SJUrube on December 17, 2019, 04:02:47 PM
2019 12-2 (2020 ?-?)
- Senior Erdmann 97% yards, 96% TDs
- Seniors Barber, VanErp and Kemper 20% receptions, 21% yards and 27% TDs
- Senior Barber 30% attempts, 34% net yards, 33% TDs


I am curious how you come up with those percentages. Saying Erdman had 97% yards, that can't include the yards the offense got from running the ball. Same with 96% TDs. Are you just including passing yards/TDs?

All of the QB numbers are showing % of Passing Yards and Passing TDs.

It's an interesting "metric" - but in this case, would be fun to know % of minutes played too.  Backes played a fair amount, but they didn't really pass all that much when he was in the games.  So, you know, he may have gotten a fair amount of PT and experience even tho not a corresponding amount of yardage,completions, TD's, etc.

Precisely - that's why those percentages without other factors aren't very meaningful. Even with % of minutes played, if a backup gets in the game, it is usually because the team has the game well in hand and are more likely to just run the ball.

I don't think we needed stats to tell us the 2000 team heavily relied on Linnemann or the 2019 team did the same with Erdmann. In nearly every other transition year the loss of a really strong-to-great QB also saw between 60-75% of rushing and receiving production also graduate. That won't be the case next season as about 75% of the receiving production returns along with a healthy mix of the run game. Obviously finding a "replacement" for Erdmann is crucial but whomever it is will have as experienced of a receiving corps as any new starting QB from recent memory.

And if you'd like to do your own analysis here you go: https://csbsju_ftp.sidearmsports.com/custompages/Statistics/Football/2019/teamcume.htm

MadRedFan

Another thought about the Johnnies as I shake out the memories from the Wheaton and Whitewater games:

Over the years I have wished for more beef on both the OL and DL and the LB corps. I know from watching, and from being "counseled" by the many Johnnie faithful here that the Johnnie way is generally if not "smaller" at least quicker. And it's hard to argue with success.  And this year, especially the OL but also the LB corps had what I would consider more than adequate "beef".

But you know, as those last two games wound down, I wouldn't have minded seeing a couple of coke machines getting on the field to help plug up the middle some. Windsor was no dainty flower at 275 lbs., and Faoliu was getting some PT down the stretch and he's got some beef, but I'd sure like to see the SJU coaches have at least a couple of options there in the 280-300 lb. range for some utility work!

Maybe not all that crucial in your garden variety MIAC game, but down there in the WIAC or CCIW, going up against those Chicago boys and Wisconsin boys, a little beef would help.

miac952

My personal opinion of course, but if I were to rank reasons for SJU offensive success this year it would go like this:

1: QB
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2: OL
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4. WR's
5. RB

Losing Erdmann, Greenheck, and Bartch is huge. Tom, Dick, and Harry could have lined up at WR and been mostly successful with the above mentioned cast. It's nice those guys are coming back but Erdmann and that OL made two completely different WR groups. If Heckendorf were to move on, then it becomes real challenging to replace.