FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sjusection105]

Losing Erdmann, Greenheck, and Bartch is huge. Tom, Dick, and Harry could have lined up at WR and been mostly successful with the above mentioned cast. It's nice those guys are coming back but Erdmann and that OL made two completely different WR groups. If Heckendorf were to move on, then it becomes real challenging to replace.

Some of the catches made by Alston this year were far from garden variety catches.
Heckendorf has truly been a blessing. Marrying a local gal and moving back to the area has been something unexpected. I do beleieve that Josh Bungum is contributing as well as learning during game planning and could take over if Heckendorf would decide to move on. We do now know that jumping to St. Cloud State is off the table. 

[art76]

Starting a new thread here. On Monday's podcast, Pat and Keith started going through the possible scenarios of who were the top 10 teams this year and what order they would be in at the end of the season. FWIW, I expect the Johnnies will be in the top 5, regardless who wins the Stagg.

Here are my top 9 in the order that they left the playoffs this year (Not the order I think they will end up in):

9. Mount Union
8. Salisbury
7. Delaware Valley
6. UMHB
5. Wheaton
4. Muhlenberg
3. St. John's
1. and 2. North Central and UW Whitewater

I couldn't decide on a tenth place team based just on who lost in the third round, besides Mount Union. Tenth place, through 25th are going to be tougher because you have to start thinking about teams that didn't make the play-offs but still could have made some noise if they had won a Pool C bid. And some of the teams eliminated early in the playoffs are "popular" with many of the voters, so they may get ranked higher than those that placed well in the playoffs. Conversely, some folks may hold the opinion that some of the quarter finalists don't deserve a top 10 spot.

What do you say?

[skunks_sidekick]

Starting a new thread here. On Monday's podcast, Pat and Keith started going through the possible scenarios of who were the top 10 teams this year and what order they would be in at the end of the season. FWIW, I expect the Johnnies will be in the top 5, regardless who wins the Stagg.

Here are my top 9 in the order that they left the playoffs this year (Not the order I think they will end up in):

9. Mount Union
8. Salisbury
7. Delaware Valley
6. UMHB
5. Wheaton
4. Muhlenberg
3. St. John's
1. and 2. North Central and UW Whitewater

I couldn't decide on a tenth place team based just on who lost in the third round, besides Mount Union. Tenth place, through 25th are going to be tougher because you have to start thinking about teams that didn't make the play-offs but still could have made some noise if they had won a Pool C bid. And some of the teams eliminated early in the playoffs are "popular" with many of the voters, so they may get ranked higher than those that placed well in the playoffs. Conversely, some folks may hold the opinion that some of the quarter finalists don't deserve a top 10 spot.

What do you say?

Art being Art.     Yah Art, I absolutely agree that Mount is #9 and Muhlenberg, Salisbury & Del Valley are ALL clearly superior to Mount.  Your bias always shows but that is cool.  I think a case could be made that other than the top 2 (and that depends on the game on Friday) the top 5 is between Wheaton/SJU/Mount.  I don't put MHB in that category.

[art76]

Starting a new thread here. On Monday's podcast, Pat and Keith started going through the possible scenarios of who were the top 10 teams this year and what order they would be in at the end of the season. FWIW, I expect the Johnnies will be in the top 5, regardless who wins the Stagg.

Here are my top 9 in the order that they left the playoffs this year (Not the order I think they will end up in):

9. Mount Union
8. Salisbury
7. Delaware Valley
6. UMHB
5. Wheaton
4. Muhlenberg
3. St. John's
1. and 2. North Central and UW Whitewater

I couldn't decide on a tenth place team based just on who lost in the third round, besides Mount Union. Tenth place, through 25th are going to be tougher because you have to start thinking about teams that didn't make the play-offs but still could have made some noise if they had won a Pool C bid. And some of the teams eliminated early in the playoffs are "popular" with many of the voters, so they may get ranked higher than those that placed well in the playoffs. Conversely, some folks may hold the opinion that some of the quarter finalists don't deserve a top 10 spot.

What do you say?

Art being Art.     Yah Art, I absolutely agree that Mount is #9 and Muhlenberg, Salisbury & Del Valley are ALL clearly superior to Mount.  Your bias always shows but that is cool.  I think a case could be made that other than the top 2 (and that depends on the game on Friday) the top 5 is between Wheaton/SJU/Mount.  I don't put MHB in that category.

Skunks - read the whole post "(Not the order I think they will end up in)"

[skunks_sidekick]

Starting a new thread here. On Monday's podcast, Pat and Keith started going through the possible scenarios of who were the top 10 teams this year and what order they would be in at the end of the season. FWIW, I expect the Johnnies will be in the top 5, regardless who wins the Stagg.

Here are my top 9 in the order that they left the playoffs this year (Not the order I think they will end up in):

9. Mount Union
8. Salisbury
7. Delaware Valley
6. UMHB
5. Wheaton
4. Muhlenberg
3. St. John's
1. and 2. North Central and UW Whitewater

I couldn't decide on a tenth place team based just on who lost in the third round, besides Mount Union. Tenth place, through 25th are going to be tougher because you have to start thinking about teams that didn't make the play-offs but still could have made some noise if they had won a Pool C bid. And some of the teams eliminated early in the playoffs are "popular" with many of the voters, so they may get ranked higher than those that placed well in the playoffs. Conversely, some folks may hold the opinion that some of the quarter finalists don't deserve a top 10 spot.

What do you say?

Art being Art.     Yah Art, I absolutely agree that Mount is #9 and Muhlenberg, Salisbury & Del Valley are ALL clearly superior to Mount.  Your bias always shows but that is cool.  I think a case could be made that other than the top 2 (and that depends on the game on Friday) the top 5 is between Wheaton/SJU/Mount.  I don't put MHB in that category.

Skunks - read the whole post "(Not the order I think they will end up in)"

Reading comprehension....I need to work on that.     (my bad)

[jamtod]

Starting a new thread here. On Monday's podcast, Pat and Keith started going through the possible scenarios of who were the top 10 teams this year and what order they would be in at the end of the season. FWIW, I expect the Johnnies will be in the top 5, regardless who wins the Stagg.

Here are my top 9 in the order that they left the playoffs this year (Not the order I think they will end up in):

9. Mount Union
8. Salisbury
7. Delaware Valley
6. UMHB
5. Wheaton
4. Muhlenberg
3. St. John's
1. and 2. North Central and UW Whitewater

I couldn't decide on a tenth place team based just on who lost in the third round, besides Mount Union. Tenth place, through 25th are going to be tougher because you have to start thinking about teams that didn't make the play-offs but still could have made some noise if they had won a Pool C bid. And some of the teams eliminated early in the playoffs are "popular" with many of the voters, so they may get ranked higher than those that placed well in the playoffs. Conversely, some folks may hold the opinion that some of the quarter finalists don't deserve a top 10 spot.

What do you say?

Art being Art.     Yah Art, I absolutely agree that Mount is #9 and Muhlenberg, Salisbury & Del Valley are ALL clearly superior to Mount.  Your bias always shows but that is cool.  I think a case could be made that other than the top 2 (and that depends on the game on Friday) the top 5 is between Wheaton/SJU/Mount.  I don't put MHB in that category.

Skunks - read the whole post "(Not the order I think they will end up in)"

Reading comprehension....I need to work on that.     (my bad)

skunks being skunks huh 

[DuffMan]

Mount Union would have been the #4 or #5 team in the MIAC this year. 

(I kid, Skunks, I kid.)

[skunks_sidekick]

Starting a new thread here. On Monday's podcast, Pat and Keith started going through the possible scenarios of who were the top 10 teams this year and what order they would be in at the end of the season. FWIW, I expect the Johnnies will be in the top 5, regardless who wins the Stagg.

Here are my top 9 in the order that they left the playoffs this year (Not the order I think they will end up in):

9. Mount Union
8. Salisbury
7. Delaware Valley
6. UMHB
5. Wheaton
4. Muhlenberg
3. St. John's
1. and 2. North Central and UW Whitewater

I couldn't decide on a tenth place team based just on who lost in the third round, besides Mount Union. Tenth place, through 25th are going to be tougher because you have to start thinking about teams that didn't make the play-offs but still could have made some noise if they had won a Pool C bid. And some of the teams eliminated early in the playoffs are "popular" with many of the voters, so they may get ranked higher than those that placed well in the playoffs. Conversely, some folks may hold the opinion that some of the quarter finalists don't deserve a top 10 spot.

What do you say?

Art being Art.     Yah Art, I absolutely agree that Mount is #9 and Muhlenberg, Salisbury & Del Valley are ALL clearly superior to Mount.  Your bias always shows but that is cool.  I think a case could be made that other than the top 2 (and that depends on the game on Friday) the top 5 is between Wheaton/SJU/Mount.  I don't put MHB in that category.

Skunks - read the whole post "(Not the order I think they will end up in)"

Reading comprehension....I need to work on that.     (my bad)

skunks being skunks huh 

That's the sad unfortunate truth!   

[MiacMan]

Mount Union would have been the #4 or #5 team in the MIAC this year. 

(I kid, Skunks, I kid.)

Careful Duff, MUC57 will come at you like a spider monkey 

[art76]

Just took a peek at the forecast for the Stagg Bowl - at kickoff it will be around 47 degrees, over cast and wind speed around 3 MPH out of the East - downright balmy for these Northern squads. Looking forward to this game.

[MUC57]

Mount Union would have been the #4 or #5 team in the MIAC this year. 

(I kid, Skunks, I kid.)

Duffman

Say WHAT? Oh yeah. Well, maybe St John's would have been 5th or 6th in the Heartland Conference.
We used to have fun and post back and forth, but it seems you've turned on me. Sure, Mount Union loses one lousy game and it's jump all over them. Hey gang, let's kick 'em when they're down.
Well, maybe St. John's goes 1 and 9 next year. Or maybe they don't beat St. Olaf and go 0 and 10!
Maybe you should look under your car before you start it. Accidents do happen.
I really can't beieve you said that. What is your....................

Oh wait. Now I see you were just teasing "skunks". You big lug. You had me going for a moment. I should have known better. But, see my signature below. That explains it.

I will close by stating, very simply, Go Johnnies in 2020!

[DuffMan]

Ha ha ha!  Honestly, I was expecting more backlash.

[SJUrube]

Now that we've established the Johnnies returning skill players have junior high level back talent up I hope the team considers taking a year off for the safety and well being of the players. In doing so that leaves UST and Bethel with a nice path to the top of the conference. And one must assume they have an embarrassment of riches returning?

UST:
Dolan returns having produced 82%, 87% and 90% of attempts, completions and TDs

With the loss of Parks and Wagner they graduate 49% of rushing attempts, 50% of yards and 47% of TDs
Those % feel low when you consider one of them was the conference player of the year. In terms of returning players Loeffler, Rice and Komis accounted for 27% of attempts, 31% of rushing yards and 27% of rushing TDs.

With the loss of Green, Pallini, Slavik, Parks, Wagner and Toonen the Tommies lose 78% of receptions, 82% of receiving yards, and 81% receiving of TDs.

Bethel
Roste returns having accounted for 91% of yards and 94% of TDs

They return most of their rushing leaders. Gibas, Boros and Delich were all underclassmen and produced 46% of attempts, 52% of net yards and 43% of TDs. If you add in Roste from the QB position the attempts and yards jump to nearly 75% and to 63% for TDs.

The same cannot be said for receiving. Seniors Larsen, Carlson, Pytlak and Friedlein accounted for 62% of catches, 67% of yards and 75% of TDs. On his own Larsen was over 30% of catches and yards and 63% of receiving TDs.

The run game is Bethel's strength but they'll need to find some receivers to create some balance. And UST has a lot of skill spots to fill. And without looking at specific numbers GAC loses a lot too.

I think I like what the Jays have coming back now even more.

[hazzben]

Now that we've established the Johnnies returning skill players have junior high level back talent up I hope the team considers taking a year off for the safety and well being of the players. In doing so that leaves UST and Bethel with a nice path to the top of the conference. And one must assume they have an embarrassment of riches returning?

UST:
Dolan returns having produced 82%, 87% and 90% of attempts, completions and TDs

With the loss of Parks and Wagner they graduate 49% of rushing attempts, 50% of yards and 47% of TDs
Those % feel low when you consider one of them was the conference player of the year. In terms of returning players Loeffler, Rice and Komis accounted for 27% of attempts, 31% of rushing yards and 27% of rushing TDs.

With the loss of Green, Pallini, Slavik, Parks, Wagner and Toonen the Tommies lose 78% of receptions, 82% of receiving yards, and 81% receiving of TDs.

Bethel
Roste returns having accounted for 91% of yards and 94% of TDs

They return most of their rushing leaders. Gibas, Boros and Delich were all underclassmen and produced 46% of attempts, 52% of net yards and 43% of TDs. If you add in Roste from the QB position the attempts and yards jump to nearly 75% and to 63% for TDs.

The same cannot be said for receiving. Seniors Larsen, Carlson, Pytlak and Friedlein accounted for 62% of catches, 67% of yards and 75% of TDs. On his own Larsen was over 30% of catches and yards and 63% of receiving TDs.

The run game is Bethel's strength but they'll need to find some receivers to create some balance. And UST has a lot of skill spots to fill. And without looking at specific numbers GAC loses a lot too.

I think I like what the Jays have coming back now even more.

Outside of WR, Bethel was crazy young this year. A lot of frosh and Soph contributions, especially in the second half on the season. The Oline is a good example.

[Boys of Fall]

Lamker takes over the Auggie program.  I think this will help the program.  College is a different game, but he had success at Osseo and Edina.  He's an offensive guy so if he can bring in a solid DC they might build up respect.