FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[sjfcards]

I am sure everyone on this board has read the book at some point, but I just finished 'the sweet season' by Austin Murphy. An incredible read, and a great story. St. Johns sounds like an incredible place. 

[Knightstalker]

This newspaper photo showing a pregnant woman smoking a heater has a caption that reads "Mellissa Williamson worries about the effect on her unborn child from the sound of the jackhammers." 

She had her baby.

How did you get my baby picture from my moms house?

[OzJohnnie]

So, Ferotte is 8-2 as a starter and Jackson is 1-4.  Ferotte is old and beat up and Jackson is young and athletic.

I hope Childress plays Jackson so I can continue to despise Childress.  No two ways about it: Vikings suck.

[Rugman]

So, Ferotte is 8-2 as a starter and Jackson is 1-4.  Ferotte is old and beat up and Jackson is young and athletic.

I hope Childress plays Jackson so I can continue to despise Childress.  No two ways about it: Vikings suck.

A coach with any guts would have put Ferotte in as soon as Jackson started playing back to his old self in the second half.  Isn't it a no-brainer that the Falcons would make half-time adjustments and take away what was working for Jackson in the first half and throwing Ferotte at them would have been the obvious counter-strategy?

I guess this is true monday morning quarterbacking.

[Toph]

Mount Union should be forced up to DII. Whitewater as well. I'm sick of these two in the finals.

How did SJU beat them all those years ago? This team is unstoppable at this level.

So because you're sick of seeing two teams make the Stagg Bowl, the schools should be forced to change their entire academic and athletic philosophy?  That sounds reasonable.

I hate that this comes up every year, and I hate even more that Whitewater is now included in the discussion.  These two teams play by the same rules as everyone else.  If either was doing something illegal, it surely would've been discovered by now because no one is looked at more closely than these two.  And as I always tell people like you:  Moving up the football team means that all the other sports have to move up.  Changing a school's athletic and academic philosophy just because they have a really good football team is idiotic.  The suggestion that they do so is unreasonable and shortsighted. 

Recruit better, practice harder, and beat them.  A true competitor wouldn't ask that their toughest opponent be removed, they'd enjoy the chance to knock them off.

[Lone Auggie Backer]

Mount Union should be forced up to DII. Whitewater as well. I'm sick of these two in the finals.

How did SJU beat them all those years ago? This team is unstoppable at this level.

So because you're sick of seeing two teams make the Stagg Bowl, the schools should be forced to change their entire academic and athletic philosophy?  That sounds reasonable.

I hate that this comes up every year, and I hate even more that Whitewater is now included in the discussion.  These two teams play by the same rules as everyone else.  If either was doing something illegal, it surely would've been discovered by now because no one is looked at more closely than these two.  And as I always tell people like you:  Moving up the football team means that all the other sports have to move up.  Changing a school's athletic and academic philosophy just because they have a really good football team is idiotic.  The suggestion that they do so is unreasonable and shortsighted. 

Recruit better, practice harder, and beat them.  A true competitor wouldn't ask that their toughest opponent be removed, they'd enjoy the chance to knock them off.

I don't disagree at all sir. I also do not think that piperinsider was being fully serious with his statement.  I took it as it is getting a bit repetitive having the same two teams in the finals for 4 straight years. I don't think that there was any suggestion of illegal practices by either team. At least I couldn't see any in the four sentences he wrote.  However, the part that I highlighted in your statement has a corollary; A true competitor would also want to be challenged and not take on competition that it has proven it can dominate for an extended period of time.  Therefore, a true competitor might want to be actually tested (by a DII opponent perhaps) and not happily dominate the same inferior (as these two teams have shown by both making it to the finals the last four years running) competition.  This highlighted sentence both proves your argument and proves piperinsider's argument at the same time!  Just my two cents!

[Toph]

31-26 isn't close enough for you?  How is that dominant?  UWW had its share of close games.  Mount dominated a weaker OAC and East region.  It's up to everyone else to do better, not to eliminate the best team.

As for your spin on the "competitor" comment, it's not exactly the same thing.  Mount and Whitewater can't just "move up" in the spirit of competition.  It doesn't make sense to change a school's approach and philosophy on athletics because that school has a good football team.  I'll say it again:  It's not a matter of just moving the football team up.  It's a matter of moving EVERY sport up, offering athletic scholarships, finding a suitable conference that will take you (and in Ohio there is really only one that would make sense at all).  If you think that is a reasonable suggestion, you're nuts.  Sorry to be so blunt.  If you don't like it, beat them.

[DuffMan]

UWW did play D2 SCSU last year (or maybe two years ago).  I don't know if MUC has played any D2 opponents, but I cannot imagine that many D2 schools want to schedule a D3 school.  It's not going to look good if a D2 school loses to a D3 school, even if it is MUC or UWW.  There's really no good reason to schedule them, especially with how tough it is to make D2 playoffs.

MUC hasn't been dominant forever.  They've been unreal in the LK era, but he's not going to be coaching forever.  Who knows if they'll be as good after Kehres is done.  PLU used to be a force but has fallen on some tough times after Frosty retired.  It wasn't too long ago that UWW was nothing special.  They've risen up a lot in the past five years.  We thumped them pretty bad my senior year (2002).  They've been dishing out the thumpings recently. 

[raiderfan1983]

I hope the MIAC takes a look at that crew from the Stagg Bowl and does the smart thing by having them officiate nothing but JV games this year.  If they don't have JV teams up there in the MIAC, then those guys just need to go away.  I have never seen a more incompetent referee in my life when it came to simple clock rules.  Don't know if any of you remember having these jokers in any other games, but I find it hard to believe that they made it through an entire season and then forget when to wind and stop the clock in the Stagg.

[Lone Auggie Backer]

31-26 isn't close enough for you?  How is that dominant?  UWW had its share of close games.  Mount dominated a weaker OAC and East region.  It's up to everyone else to do better, not to eliminate the best team.

As for your spin on the "competitor" comment, it's not exactly the same thing.  Mount and Whitewater can't just "move up" in the spirit of competition.  It doesn't make sense to change a school's approach and philosophy on athletics because that school has a good football team.  I'll say it again:  It's not a matter of just moving the football team up.  It's a matter of moving EVERY sport up, offering athletic scholarships, finding a suitable conference that will take you (and in Ohio there is really only one that would make sense at all).  If you think that is a reasonable suggestion, you're nuts.  Sorry to be so blunt.  If you don't like it, beat them.

Sir-
You seem to be a little bit agitated. Your team just played in the national championship game. there's no reason to be angry! I really do not care what division MUC and UWW play in. I am fully in agreement that if I want my team to get there they must get better. You're entirely correct. I was simply stating that the argument you made had a slight flaw in that it ignored the point that it also gave MUC and UWW a reason TO play at a higher level. 

Again, no need to get all worked up about this. I really am not that passionate about this issue! Please don't raise your blood pressure too much on my account!

[Lone Auggie Backer]

I hope the MIAC takes a look at that crew from the Stagg Bowl and does the smart thing by having them officiate nothing but JV games this year.  If they don't have JV teams up there in the MIAC, then those guys just need to go away.  I have never seen a more incompetent referee in my life when it came to simple clock rules.  Don't know if any of you remember having these jokers in any other games, but I find it hard to believe that they made it through an entire season and then forget when to wind and stop the clock in the Stagg.

Couldn't agree more! This crew, in my opinion, is one of the two worst crews in the conference. They are simply bad at calling games! I hadn't seen the press release before the game indicating that they were given the job, but when I turned on ESPN on Saturday and saw them in stripes I was appalled! Of all crews to be given the honor of calling the national championship game, how in the world could this crew be the one selected.  I would think that that honor should be based on performance excellence. By their selection, it seems that is not the case! Sorry to MUC and UWW for getting stuck with one of our duds!

[Lone Auggie Backer]

31-26 isn't close enough for you?  How is that dominant?  UWW had its share of close games.  Mount dominated a weaker OAC and East region.  It's up to everyone else to do better, not to eliminate the best team.

As for your spin on the "competitor" comment, it's not exactly the same thing.  Mount and Whitewater can't just "move up" in the spirit of competition.  It doesn't make sense to change a school's approach and philosophy on athletics because that school has a good football team.  I'll say it again:  It's not a matter of just moving the football team up.  It's a matter of moving EVERY sport up, offering athletic scholarships, finding a suitable conference that will take you (and in Ohio there is really only one that would make sense at all).  If you think that is a reasonable suggestion, you're nuts.  Sorry to be so blunt.  If you don't like it, beat them.

Just wanting to clarify. I'm not suggesting one of the two teams is more dominant than the other team. I'm suggesting that in the recent history (as duff wisely pointed out to me) these TWO teams have been dominant in all of D3 football.  That is what I was alluding to in my dominant statement.  Sorry if I caused confusion with that part!

[57Johnnie]

The MIACPP 'Hot Stove League' is officially open  8)

[OzJohnnie]

31-26 isn't close enough for you?  How is that dominant?  UWW had its share of close games.  Mount dominated a weaker OAC and East region.  It's up to everyone else to do better, not to eliminate the best team.

As for your spin on the "competitor" comment, it's not exactly the same thing.  Mount and Whitewater can't just "move up" in the spirit of competition.  It doesn't make sense to change a school's approach and philosophy on athletics because that school has a good football team.  I'll say it again:  It's not a matter of just moving the football team up.  It's a matter of moving EVERY sport up, offering athletic scholarships, finding a suitable conference that will take you (and in Ohio there is really only one that would make sense at all).  If you think that is a reasonable suggestion, you're nuts.  Sorry to be so blunt.  If you don't like it, beat them.

Just wanting to clarify. I'm not suggesting one of the two teams is more dominant than the other team. I'm suggesting that in the recent history (as duff wisely pointed out to me) these TWO teams have been dominant in all of D3 football.  That is what I was alluding to in my dominant statement.  Sorry if I caused confusion with that part!

Your intent was plainly clear to everyone but the man with the inferiority complex.  My compliments on not taking the opportunity to make that complex a little more prominent.  I would not have been so restrained.

[BDB]

All I know is that it's been so freakin' cold the past few days that I say "Global Warming...Bring it on!" 

Going to be fun watching the Bears freeze with the Packers tonight.