FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[tmerton]

Questions abound

Where was Fins?  C'mon, where's that bad boy?  The north woods aren't calling yet.  And Duff?  And Veek Jr?

What happened to the guys after the luncheon?  I mean, that's a seriously disturbed bunch - where did they head after being refused more than courtesy photos with John?

ROR's daughter - is she doing public defender work for Tommies yet?  Someone has to defend 'em!

[02 Warhawk]

Questions abound

Where was Fins?  C'mon, where's that bad boy?  The north woods aren't calling yet.  And Duff?  And Veek Jr?

What happened to the guys after the luncheon?  I mean, that's a seriously disturbed bunch - where did they head after being refused more than courtesy photos with John?

ROR's daughter - is she doing public defender work for Tommies yet?  Someone has to defend 'em!

maybe they had an accident with their ice shanty over the winter...

[DuffMan]

Questions abound

Where was Fins?  C'mon, where's that bad boy?  The north woods aren't calling yet.  And Duff?  And Veek Jr?

What happened to the guys after the luncheon?  I mean, that's a seriously disturbed bunch - where did they head after being refused more than courtesy photos with John?

ROR's daughter - is she doing public defender work for Tommies yet?  Someone has to defend 'em!

maybe they had an accident with their ice shanty over the winter...

This is for you  
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It's tough to make out, but reads "UWW Fire Exit" and leads to a 3 story drop with no stairs.

[CobberFvr]

Hello everyone. Thank God that the season is right around the corner. Been an awfully long summer and I'm ready to get back into the swing of things.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Sorry to be late in replying, but summer is happening   

Termton- I assume you were attempting to bash St Thomas of MN, not the school in FL. I dont think STU (which is the FL school) has a football program, but could be mistaken. I do know UST (the MN school) has a solid athletic program, top to bottom, that includes a successful football team but also includes a very successful basketball and baseball program <ahem>. But I will assume you simply had a dyslexic moment (please do not walk your god  )....

As Generic Dude mentioned, the scholarships UST gives (which are called Dease Scholarships in honor of Fr Dennis Dease, the school's long serving president who has overseen tremendous growth & change on his watch), are part of a conscious effort to diversify the student body. In part, they were initiated to provide opportunities for kids who, due to socio-economic situations, probably wouldn't be able to attend college, despite having the smarts to be able to do well. The promise of these opportunities sweetened the deal with the city of Minneapolis, getting St. Thomas the land and permits needed to build the gorgeous campus in DT (which houses among other things the UST School of Law)

The Dease Scholarships are similar to the Johnnie "leadership" scholarships, especially in the way that people not in position to know what they are about try to paint them, slanderously, as "athletic scholarships," which they are not. I've seen SJU posters go close to postal in the past when someone would allege that "leadership" was secret code for "good at football (or maybe some other sport) so we let him in free so he can play."  I feel pretty certain that is not the case at Collegeville, nor is it the case at UST.

TC--- seven may be too small of a line....could be a lot more

[OzJohnnie]

Sorry to be late in replying, but summer is happening

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TC--- seven may be too small of a line....could be a lot more

As I was reading miacmaniac's post I felt like I was in some sort of bizzaro world where up is down and left is right.  But then I reached the last line and I realized it was merely the deranged ranting of the mentally infirm that I was viewing.  Potentially the result of the late stages in the USTD major of Advanced Syphilis Studies, which can result in brain damage and delusions of undue grandeur.

Regardless of the cause, the mental degradation required make arguments such as "UST (the MN school) has a solid athletic program, top to bottom, that includes a successful football team" is unfortunately beyond cure or treatment.  The best we can offer this poor specimen is our pity and tears... 

[janesvilleflash]

Re the Whitewater exit picture....Whitewater and "exit" seem to be a common theme around St. Johns the last few years.

[Johnnie Red]

Heading out to the PGA at Hazeltine on Saturday. If I do get to meet Tiger, I will invite him to the Stiftungsfestivities this fall.

[OzJohnnie]

Heading out to the PGA at Hazeltine on Saturday. If I do get to meet Tiger, I will invite him to the Stiftungsfestivities this fall.

As long as you're inviting Tiger you should also invite his mate Snoop.

[AO]

Sorry to be late in replying, but summer is happening   

Termton- I assume you were attempting to bash St Thomas of MN, not the school in FL. I dont think STU (which is the FL school) has a football program, but could be mistaken. I do know UST (the MN school) has a solid athletic program, top to bottom, that includes a successful football team but also includes a very successful basketball and baseball program <ahem>. But I will assume you simply had a dyslexic moment (please do not walk your god  )....

As Generic Dude mentioned, the scholarships UST gives (which are called Dease Scholarships in honor of Fr Dennis Dease, the school's long serving president who has overseen tremendous growth & change on his watch), are part of a conscious effort to diversify the student body. In part, they were initiated to provide opportunities for kids who, due to socio-economic situations, probably wouldn't be able to attend college, despite having the smarts to be able to do well. The promise of these opportunities sweetened the deal with the city of Minneapolis, getting St. Thomas the land and permits needed to build the gorgeous campus in DT (which houses among other things the UST School of Law)

The Dease Scholarships are similar to the Johnnie "leadership" scholarships, especially in the way that people not in position to know what they are about try to paint them, slanderously, as "athletic scholarships," which they are not. I've seen SJU posters go close to postal in the past when someone would allege that "leadership" was secret code for "good at football (or maybe some other sport) so we let him in free so he can play."  I feel pretty certain that is not the case at Collegeville, nor is it the case at UST.

TC--- seven may be too small of a line....could be a lot more

Look at it from the point of view of the recruited athlete.  St. Thomas is offering a full-ride, St. John's after all financial aid is maybe $10,000 a year.   It really doesn't matter where the money comes from, just keep it coming!  Some schools just have more money.  It's clearly not an athletic scholarship as I'm sure there's enough financial aid to go around to the general student body so that the football team isn't receiving a disproportionate share.   It's a nice recruiting advantage for the Tommies, but it clearly hasn't helped them beat the Johnnies.

In my opinion, any program that profits is no longer "amateur" and should pay the players, instead of paying for all the other non-revenue sports.  The gap between Mount Union and Macalester probably wouldn't change much.

[Johnnie Red]

What a difference a century makes! Here are some statistics for the year 1909:

The average life expectancy was 47 years.

Only 14 percent of the homes had a bathtub.

Only 8 percent of the homes had a telephone.

There were only 8,000 cars and only 144 miles of paved roads.

The maximum speed limit in most cities was 10 mph.

The average wage in 1909 was 22 cents an hour.

The average worker made between $200 and $400 per year.

A competent accountant could expect to earn $2000 per year, a dentist $2,500 per year, a veterinarian between $1,500 and $4,000 per year, a mechanical engineer about $5,000 per year.

More than 95 percent of all births took place at HOME.

Ninety percent of all doctors had NO COLLEGE EDUCATION. Instead, they attended so-called medical schools, many of which were condemned in the press and government as 'substandard'.

Most women only washed their hair once a month, and used Borax or egg yolks for shampoo.

Canada passed a law that prohibited poor people from entering their country for any reason.

The population of Las Vegas, Nevad was only 30.

Marijuana, heroin, and morphine were all available over the counter at the local corner drugstores. Back then pharmacists said, "Heroin clears the complexion, gives bouyancy to the mind, regulates the stomach and bowels and is, in fact, a perfect guardian of health."

The tallest structure in the world was the Eiffel Tower.

[tmerton]

Sorry to be late in replying, but summer is happening   

Termton- I assume you were attempting to bash St Thomas of MN, not the school in FL. I dont think STU (which is the FL school) has a football program, but could be mistaken. I do know UST (the MN school) has a solid athletic program, top to bottom, that includes a successful football team but also includes a very successful basketball and baseball program <ahem>. But I will assume you simply had a dyslexic moment (please do not walk your god  )....

As Generic Dude mentioned, the scholarships UST gives (which are called Dease Scholarships in honor of Fr Dennis Dease, the school's long serving president who has overseen tremendous growth & change on his watch), are part of a conscious effort to diversify the student body. In part, they were initiated to provide opportunities for kids who, due to socio-economic situations, probably wouldn't be able to attend college, despite having the smarts to be able to do well. The promise of these opportunities sweetened the deal with the city of Minneapolis, getting St. Thomas the land and permits needed to build the gorgeous campus in DT (which houses among other things the UST School of Law)

The Dease Scholarships are similar to the Johnnie "leadership" scholarships, especially in the way that people not in position to know what they are about try to paint them, slanderously, as "athletic scholarships," which they are not. I've seen SJU posters go close to postal in the past when someone would allege that "leadership" was secret code for "good at football (or maybe some other sport) so we let him in free so he can play."  I feel pretty certain that is not the case at Collegeville, nor is it the case at UST.

TC--- seven may be too small of a line....could be a lot more

Maniac

Come early, come late.  Things are just getting going.

I don't really care whether it's UST or STU - or whether I get it right or have dyslexia - so nothing was intended.  Really.  BTW, there is another University of St. Thomas - in Houston, which thus would also be UST.  I don't know whether they have a football team, but I wasn't referring to them either.

St. Thomas should have a good sports program.  They're three times larger than the other MIAC schools, have a great location (as opposed to being out in the middle of, well, the country), and have lots of dough.  The real question is - why don't they absolutely dominate?

[Retired Old Rat]

Re the Whitewater exit picture....Whitewater and "exit" seem to be a common theme around St. Johns the last few years.

Flash, that was too obvious.   

[bennie]

Maybe for the sake of clarity we need to refer to the school in Florida as STU, the school in Houston as UST and the school in Minneapolis as UST(D).

I always find it entertaining how everyone is so sure that other schools are cheating when it comes to scholarships and financial aid. You know, that kind of thing is monitored...and by individuals with more information and knowledge than those of us on Post Patterns (namely, the Department of Education and the NCAA).  While there probably are a few schools getting away with something, I don't think any of us are in a position to truly know. So being the Pollyanna I am, I chose to believe that, at least when it comes to awarding scholarship and financial aid, schools are obeying the rules. And if you think about it, the possible penalty (both financially and to the schools image) if caught cheating probably far outweighs any benefit gained by cheating.

[Retired Old Rat]

Maybe for the sake of clarity we need to refer to the school in Florida as STU, the school in Houston as UST and the school in Minneapolis as UST(D).

I always find it entertaining how everyone is so sure that other schools are cheating when it comes to scholarships and financial aid. You know, that kind of thing is monitored...and by individuals with more information and knowledge than those of us on Post Patterns (namely, the Department of Education and the NCAA).  While there probably are a few schools getting away with something, I don't think any of us are in a position to truly know. So being the Pollyanna I am, I chose to believe that, at least when it comes to awarding scholarship and financial aid, schools are obeying the rules. And if you think about it, the possible penalty (both financially and to the schools image) if caught cheating probably far outweighs any benefit gained by cheating.

What the sam hill do you think you are doing by interjecting reason to this debate?  Takes all the fun out of it.