FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Retired Old Rat]

Long time since we've had a Chuck Norris factoid.

Chuck Norris sent Jesus a birthday card on December 25th and it wasn't Jesus' birthday. Jesus was to scared to correct Chuck Norris and to this day December 25th is known as Jesus' birthday.

[tmerton]

Long time since we've had a Chuck Norris factoid.

Chuck Norris sent Jesus a birthday card on December 25th and it wasn't Jesus' birthday. Jesus was to scared to correct Chuck Norris and to this day December 25th is known as Jesus' birthday.

I do miss Mighty Royal.   Can any of the Bethel fans tell us if he's well?   The SJU game is coming up; he should make a comeback for that.

[OzJohnnie]

Frank Rajkowski has posted his Wednesday night casualty report.  It's like the Hindenburg... Oh, the humanity!

[Willy Wonka]

Long time since we've had a Chuck Norris factoid.

Chuck Norris sent Jesus a birthday card on December 25th and it wasn't Jesus' birthday. Jesus was to scared to correct Chuck Norris and to this day December 25th is known as Jesus' birthday.

Speaking of Chuck Norris...will you be at Pattys on Saturday, ROR? There's a little thing we like to call "The Chuck Norris Challenge" on the menu over there. I'd love to see you man up and try to complete it

[OzJohnnie]

In other news...

"Baby, you've hit the big time"



An Indonesian woman has given birth to an 8.7-kilogram (19.2-pound) baby boy...

[hazzben]

Congrats to Bethel's Reid Velo and St. Thomas' Jeffrey Hilliard for being named to the AFCA All-Good Works team! They will get to attend a major D-I bowl game as part of this honor.
http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=204798828

Congrats to Velo and Hilliard on the AFCA Pharisee Squad!  Knowing Velo personally, I can say the committee was dead on with their selection.  He's just a great person, one of the most selfless individuals you'll ever meet.

As for Hilliard, taking nothing away from him, but I think it almost says more about his parents when you consider his brothers also receiving this award.

Pat or anyone with knowledge, when did they start sending 'em to a bowl game?  Talk about a cool idea...

[VOJ]

I usually look forward to Rajkowski's Tuesday update, but it's reading like a horror movie script lately...

* Senior strong safety Nate Anderson out with a broken wrist and then week to week
* Senior strong safety Bobby Klint still not practicing with his sprained ankle
* Senior linebacker Ethan Eid is questionable for the weekend with his groin injury
* Freshman running back Steve Johnson also not practicing

That defensive backfield cannot catch a break.

I'm sensing a glimmer of hope for my Gusties...

Before worrying about the backfield 4 of the Johnnies defense your O line needs to take care of the front 4 and potential All American LB Ryan Wimmer...

SJU's defense is currently the 8th best in a nine-team conference, allowing nearly 400 yards a game through three contests. The Johnnies have allowed the most rushing yards in the league and are the second-worst pass defense in the MIAC. Call me crazy, but I doubt you'll be seeing any defensive all-americans this year.

And since we're here...given the way the new GAC staff wants to run the ball — and the play of its freshman RB — the matchup doesn't look as terrible as I've been thinking. I'd still be surprised if the Gusties win, however.

What you fail to remember is that Drew Ziller off of the WORST defense by stats in the conference was an All American last year...and I think he was mistakenly given the defensive player of the year award instead of Wimmer, but that is a whole other debate...

A fair point. However, Ziller also led the MIAC in tackles per game, solo tackles, forced fumbles while finishing 6th in passes broken up. He also added 3 sacks, which likely was in the Top 15 of the league (Top 10 was 4.0).

Your boy Wimmer, while clearly a quality player, isn't in the Top 10 in any statistical category right now. In fact, the stats suggest Gunderson is the best player on what's been a subpar SJU defense thus far.

He was 1st Team All-American in 3 publications.  And his forced fumbles/solo tackles were near tops in the nation for DBs.  He also had a blocked punt returned for a TD and a blocked field goal. Teams rarely threw near him, and when they did they paid for it by getting their players' heads taken off.  Defensive player of the year is voted on by coaches, and the coaches knew better than anyone there was not a player like Ziller on the field last year.  Wimmer is good, but was not nearly that type of a playmaker last year, and teams did not game plan around him, which I promise you they did for Ziller.  To say he didn't deserve DPOY is ridiculous.

I suppose this argument will lead nowhere though.

Wimmer:  106 tackles, 6 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT, 2FF Conference Championship

Ziller  104 tackles 5 TFL, 3 Sacks,  3 iINT, 1 Fum Rec 6 FF 2 blocked kicks 

J's D...#2 in scoring # 3 overall

Carleton D: 7th in scoring and last in yards given up

Yes Ziller had a great season, but someone had to step up and stop people...where was he on the final drive for the Johnnies that won the title in a mediocre year in the MIAC?  I hear your argument, but give Wimmer his due.  You can put up all the individual stats you want, the Conference Championship tips the scales IMO.

You are probably right that this argument is going nowhere

[PRF2009A]

Wimmer:  106 tackles, 6 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT, 2FF Conference Championship

Ziller  104 tackles 5 TFL, 3 Sacks, 1 Fum Rec 6 FF 2 blocked kicks  

J's D...#2 in scoring # 3 overall

Carleton D: 7th in scoring and last in yards given up

Yes Ziller had a great season, but someone had to step up and stop people...where was he on the final drive for the Johnnies that won the title in a mediocre year in the MIAC?  I hear your argument, but give Wimmer his due.  You can put up all the individual stats you want, the Conference Championship tips the scales IMO.

You are probably right that this argument is going nowhere

Continuing the argument to nowhere.  Interesting home team stats by saying Wimmer had 1 int.  and not mentioning that Ziller had 3 interceptions. 

Regarding Tackles:
Ziller 70 solo and 34 assists
Wimmer 49 solo and 61 assists


Can't argue the team D stats... Clear difference there.  And the debate of whether a chamionship team deserves the mvp could go on forever.  Same debate that pays the anchors on ESPN to discuss every single year over and over again in baseball.  (Hamilton last year)

If you're going to say where was ziller on that last drive, where was Wimmer on Carleton's last td or the rest of the game for that matter? 


I'm done....

Cue continued Johnnie whining brought to you with multiple commercial breaks causing missed kick offs.

[VOJ]

Wimmer:  106 tackles, 6 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT, 2FF Conference Championship

Ziller  104 tackles 5 TFL, 3 Sacks, 1 Fum Rec 6 FF 2 blocked kicks  

J's D...#2 in scoring # 3 overall

Carleton D: 7th in scoring and last in yards given up

Yes Ziller had a great season, but someone had to step up and stop people...where was he on the final drive for the Johnnies that won the title in a mediocre year in the MIAC?  I hear your argument, but give Wimmer his due.  You can put up all the individual stats you want, the Conference Championship tips the scales IMO.

You are probably right that this argument is going nowhere

Continuing the argument to nowhere.  Interesting home team stats by saying Wimmer had 1 int.  and not mentioning that Ziller had 3 interceptions. 

Regarding Tackles:
Ziller 70 solo and 34 assists
Wimmer 49 solo and 61 assists


Can't argue the team D stats... Clear difference there.  And the debate of whether a chamionship team deserves the mvp could go on forever.  Same debate that pays the anchors on ESPN to discuss every single year over and over again in baseball.  (Hamilton last year)

If you're going to say where was ziller on that last drive, where was Wimmer on Carleton's last td or the rest of the game for that matter? 


I'm done....

Cue continued Johnnie whining brought to you with multiple commercial breaks causing missed kick offs.

I edited and gave Ziller his deserved 3 INT's...if we are cueing things up u can cue up 0-27

by they way...Wimmer had 11 tackles and a FF against Carleton in 2008...

[Pat Coleman]

How many of those 27 games were played in 2008? This was a nice, fairly relevant discussion without hyperbole.

[DuffMan]

Is the MIAC so boring that we need to discuss prior seasons?

[WithasilentK]

Wimmer:  106 tackles, 6 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT, 2FF Conference Championship

Ziller  104 tackles 5 TFL, 3 Sacks, 1 Fum Rec 6 FF 2 blocked kicks  

J's D...#2 in scoring # 3 overall

Carleton D: 7th in scoring and last in yards given up

Yes Ziller had a great season, but someone had to step up and stop people...where was he on the final drive for the Johnnies that won the title in a mediocre year in the MIAC?  I hear your argument, but give Wimmer his due.  You can put up all the individual stats you want, the Conference Championship tips the scales IMO.

You are probably right that this argument is going nowhere

Continuing the argument to nowhere.  Interesting home team stats by saying Wimmer had 1 int.  and not mentioning that Ziller had 3 interceptions. 

Regarding Tackles:
Ziller 70 solo and 34 assists
Wimmer 49 solo and 61 assists


Can't argue the team D stats... Clear difference there.  And the debate of whether a chamionship team deserves the mvp could go on forever.  Same debate that pays the anchors on ESPN to discuss every single year over and over again in baseball.  (Hamilton last year)

If you're going to say where was ziller on that last drive, where was Wimmer on Carleton's last td or the rest of the game for that matter? 


I'm done....

Cue continued Johnnie whining brought to you with multiple commercial breaks causing missed kick offs.

I edited and gave Ziller his deserved 3 INT's...if we are cueing things up u can cue up 0-27

by they way...Wimmer had 11 tackles and a FF against Carleton in 2008...

He was covering his portion of the field that he was supposed to.  If you had watched that last drive, it was no DB's fault that the drive was made, the Johnnies knew that was not where you attack Carleton's D.  The drive was made against inexperienced linebackers, no DB could have or should have made those plays.

You're also comparing a linebackers tackling to a SS (and Ziller had more SOLO and nearly as many total).  Not quite apples and oranges, but still.  Also, the stats you showed, clearly pointed to Ziller as the DPOY in my opinion.  Check where those blocked picks came from.  One against Auggie tech to seal the game (for a TD, which was not in your stats), another against Bethel to prevent them from tying.

He also led the nation in solo tackles for DBs for ALL divisions.  That's an impressive stat.  And those tackles were not 10 yards downfield.  Again, the coaches voted and they are the ones that watch countless hours of film.  You don't vote a DB that's making tackles 10 yards downfield, you vote the one that is sticking your RBs at 2-4 yards and causing your gameplan to change.

Wimmer is a great LB, but I can't see how a conference championship won by a last minute drive tips the scale to him, when also considering Carleton made a 5 minute drive on the Johnnies D just before that.

[57Johnnie]

I'm with Duff. Let's get on with: beer, 2009 football, fishing, beer or Stiftungsfestivities.  8)

BTW: I'm one up on Snoop. I passed a 'Fat Tire' semi yesterday

[DuffMan]

To get this board back on topic, I bought a few new 6-packs to try out this week.  Both are from Widmer Brewing in Portland, Orgeon.

I bought their Drop Top Amber Ale and their W'09 Belgian Ale.  The Drop Top is decent, but nothing special.  The W'09 is mighty good, though!  It's a little "spicy", not too bitter (although I do love hops), and at 6.5% ABV, makes for a nice beer.

I see they have an Oktoberfest, but I didn't see it at the store.  Might have to hunt it down...or stick to my Paulaner Oktober 

[sju56321]

Duff- Left Hand Brewing Company has an Octoberfest beer that is good-you might want to look that also.