FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[WithasilentK]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

[sju56321]

I would be willing to bet that if your two sophomores are held without a point, SJU wins comfortably. (yea I spelled it wrong in last post)

[USTBench]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

The others have proven they can play. Moen has a 1,000 career receiving yards, Friedrichs has come up big in big time situations (i.e. last second touchdown against Carleton last year) and remember one of those Margarits is coming back from serious health issues. They may not have provided the same punch this year as they have in the past, but the potential is there.

[WithasilentK]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

The others have proven they can play. Moen has a 1,000 career receiving yards, Friedrichs has come up big in big time situations (i.e. last second touchdown against Carleton last year) and remember one of those Margarits is coming back from serious health issues. They may not have provided the same punch this year as they have in the past, but the potential is there.

Let's give that credit to the guy that picked the Carleton linebacker.

I did not know Moen has a 1,000 career receiving yards.  So yes, they are all solid players with the potential to be the one that makes the difference this Saturday.  I only meant Wartman is the one you are gameplanning for.  The rest are all good players that you have to be aware about (which is more than previous years), but no one would garner more attention than the other, besides Waldvogel.

[USTBench]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

The others have proven they can play. Moen has a 1,000 career receiving yards, Friedrichs has come up big in big time situations (i.e. last second touchdown against Carleton last year) and remember one of those Margarits is coming back from serious health issues. They may not have provided the same punch this year as they have in the past, but the potential is there.

Let's give that credit to the guy that picked the Carleton linebacker.

I did not know Moen has a 1,000 career receiving yards.  So yes, they are all solid players with the potential to be the one that makes the difference this Saturday.  I only meant Wartman is the one you are gameplanning for.  The rest are all good players that you have to be aware about (which is more than previous years), but no one would garner more attention than the other, besides Waldvogel.

I believe that pick was from Waldvogel...now that's a complete player 

Fair enough about Wartman...he has shouldered the other half of the load this year. But I believe it'll take a complete game from everyone to win at the school in the woods this weekend.

[DutchFan2004]

Testing, testing... is this thing on???


Long time lurker, first time poster. First things first, I want to say I love what you guys have done with the place, really classed up the joint.  +K all around


I'm currently between month long field evolutions. This whole playing Marine thing is not as much fun as you might think.


Anyway, just wanted to drop some knowledge; while I was at Mountain Warfare Training last month, MRS KR beat TDT in Fantasy Baseball despite not realizing that OPS didn't mean errors.


Almost forgot...

TOMMIES SUCK!!!!!

Hey nice to see you are ok!!!!  Take care and keep your head down.  Doesn't seem like its been 4 years already.  Son 2 is almost done with his rotations.  He is going straight through.  He has a couple of interviews for residency coming up. 

[OzJohnnie]

Two hours until departure...  Go Johnnies!  TOMMIES SUCK!!11!!11eleventy!!

Kubiak; perhaps I have been a bit curmudgeony of late.  The dog is getting to old to bear me kicking her much anymore.  Perhaps I'm just all too wound up over that.

[tmerton]

Two hours until departure...  Go Johnnies!  TOMMIES SUCK!!11!!11eleventy!!

Kubiak; perhaps I have been a bit curmudgeony of late.  The dog is getting to old to bear me kicking her much anymore.  Perhaps I'm just all too wound up over that.

Oz - Even though you won't be arriving early, if you can get a handicap placard, you can park right up in the Science Building lot where the festivities are.  See you Saturday.

[Willy Wonka]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

Wartman is a stud, granted, but I'm not so sure coaches around the league would agree with your simple assessment. Consider the following conference stats before you say one is a clear-cut bigger threat than the other:

Wartman — 137.8 YPG, 10 TDs (both lead the league)
Waldvogel — 125 YPG, 9.25 RPG, 172.3 all-purpose yards (all lead the league)

And now that I look at it, Wartman's backup in third in the league in rushing, second in touchdowns and first in yards-per-carry. Is the Tommie offensive line really that good or will they be exposed this weekend?

[WithasilentK]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

Wartman is a stud, granted, but I'm not so sure coaches around the league would agree with your simple assessment. Consider the following conference stats before you say one is a clear-cut bigger threat than the other:

Wartman — 137.8 YPG, 10 TDs (both lead the league)
Waldvogel — 125 YPG, 9.25 RPG, 172.3 all-purpose yards (all lead the league)

And now that I look at it, Wartman's backup in third in the league in rushing, second in touchdowns and first in yards-per-carry. Is the Tommie offensive line really that good or will they be exposed this weekend?

They are very good.  Tobin is a very good runner and was heavily recruited by a couple of the MIAC schools.  UST's rushing attack is their offensive strength.  I'm hesitant to say UST will run through the Johnnie D because their LBs are their strength, but they will be very difficult to stop.

Also, I don't think UST's QB strikes fear into any coach.  I don't see the Johnnies doing anything too major to help on Waldvogel.  Their answer for a good outside receiver is to usually have one DB line up a ways off and not get beat deep.

[USTBench]

I will put my money on Haugen and Fasching to devise a scheme to contain the Tommie receiver. I can't remember the last time two sophmores beat SJU and I don't think it will happen Saturday.

The nice thing is, they'd also have to design a scheme to stop Wartman, Margarit, Friedrichs, Moen, Tobin, Morse and when Dakota Tracy comes in at QB, the option; not to mention a good, accurate leg in Beeson. Nice to have multitude of options and a coach who has faith in all of his players.

Defense isn't too shabby either.

WHO???

Yes, firstly they have to stop Wartman, before anyone else.  Not Waldvogel.  But they need to gameplan for Margarit, Friedrichs, and Moen, who have a combined 12 catches??? (And that's with 2 Margarits)

And Morse is hardly a quarterback that is going to throw all over you.  Tobin and Tracy are good players, but again, it's Wartman you gameplan for, not the others.

Wartman is a stud, granted, but I'm not so sure coaches around the league would agree with your simple assessment. Consider the following conference stats before you say one is a clear-cut bigger threat than the other:

Wartman — 137.8 YPG, 10 TDs (both lead the league)
Waldvogel — 125 YPG, 9.25 RPG, 172.3 all-purpose yards (all lead the league)

And now that I look at it, Wartman's backup in third in the league in rushing, second in touchdowns and first in yards-per-carry. Is the Tommie offensive line really that good or will they be exposed this weekend?

Line is pretty good: http://www.tommiesports.com/ftbl/news/Josh_10-13.html...top notch for D3.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

I know Waldvogel is good...but to compare him to a Gagliardi Trophy winner who lead his team to a Stagg Bowl win, is a little much at this stage of his career, check back with me after his senior season and maybe he qualifies for that comparison...maybe

Comparing Waldvogel midway through his sophomore year to Elliott thru the end of his soph year (I'm too lazy to break Elliotts' 2nd year stats down game by game to get just the first half of his 2nd season), they look pretty even to me. Comparing Elliott's 4 year body of work to Waldvogel's 1.5 year body or work is rather premature, dont you think? But at this juncture, they seem fairly even to me. Elliott has a clear edge in TDs scored. But yardage per catch, per game and in total is statistacally even (apologies for the layout of the chart)
RECEIVING   GP   No.   Yds   Avg   TD   Long   Avg/G
--------------   ----   -----   -----   ------   ----   -----   ------
Blake Elliott   13   72   1056   14.7   14   46   81.2
   14   120   1484   12.4   22   70   106
   27   192   2540   13.2   36   70   94.07
                     
                     
RECEIVING   GP   No.   Yds   Avg   TD   Long   Avg/G
--------------   ----   -----   -----   ------   ----   -----   ------
Fritz Waldvogel    10   59   807   13.7   4   65   80.7
   5   38   518   13.6   3   48   103.6
   15   97   1325   13.6   7   65   88.3
                     
                     
PUNT RETURNS   No.   Yds   Avg   TD   Long      
----------------   -----   -----   ------   ---   ----      
Blake Elliott   27   455   16.9   3   89      
   37   385   10.4   2   86      
   64   840   13.1   5   89      
                     
                     
PUNT RETURNS   No.   Yds   Avg   TD   Long      
----------------   -----   -----   ------   ---   ----      
Fritz Waldvogel    8   142   17.8   1   70      
   11   237   21.5   2   74      
   19   379   19.9   3   74      
                     
                     
                     
KICK RETURNS   No.   Yds   Avg   TD   Long      
----------------   -----   -----   ------   ---   ----      
Blake Elliott   11   251   22.8   0   42      
   24   520   21.7   0   38      
   35   771   22   0   42      
                     
                     
KICK RETURNS   No.   Yds   Avg   TD   Long      
----------------   -----   -----   ------   ---   ----      
Fritz Waldvogel    14   314   22.4   0   56      
   6   71   11.8   0   24      
   20   385   19.25   0   56      

Waldvogel- All-MIAC Second Team his freshman year
Elliott- no All-MIAC honors his freshman year

Waldvogel is a good receiver and returner, though his return stats are inflated by 3 returns for 180 yards against Mac.  Besides that he only has 8 returns for 57 yards on the season.

And Elliott's line his first season was inflated by a game vs. Mac too. Kinda makes your point moot.

[Redtooth]

I attempted to quote from Maniac's post, but the system was a little bucky.

Since Pat is our resident math PhD, maybe he can help with the > < or =

36>7
192>97
840>379
771>385

Better yet, let's see if the CST education can help with the % difference between these stats.

Need to add Tommie joke:

"Of course I won't laugh, I'm a professional nurse. In over twenty years I've never laughed at a patient." 

"Okay then," the Tommie said and proceeded to drop his trousers, revealing the tiniest man thingy the nurse had ever seen. Length and widthwise, it couldn't have been much bigger than an AAA battery.

Unable to control herself, the nurse started giggling then almost fell to the floor laughing. A few minutes later, she was able to regain her composure. "I'm so sorry," said the nurse. "I don't know what came over me. On my honor as a nurse and a lady, I promise it won't happen again.  Now tell me, what seems to be the problem?"

"It's been swollen like this all day," the Tommie replied.

[SUMMIT!!!!!]

Redtooth- youre comparing 27 game totals with 15 game totals. Id hope the 27 game totals are larger. 

On a per-game (94.1 v. 88.3) and per-catch (13.2 v. 13.6) basis, the two are essentially even at this point in their careers.

Elliott had a phoneomenal junior & senior season... who knows if Waldvogel will fall short, equal or surpass?

[Redtooth]

Redtooth- youre comparing 27 game totals with 15 game totals. Id hope the 27 game totals are larger. 

On a per-game (94.1 v. 88.3) and per-catch (13.2 v. 13.6) basis, the two are essentially even at this point in their careers.

Elliott had a phoneomenal junior & senior season... who knows if Waldvogel will fall short, equal or surpass?

That may be the case, but let's see how much Waldvogel has to increase his numbers to equal Elliott's two year numbers....
Waldvogel only needs 29 more TDs this year (4x current career #)
Waldvogel only needs 95 more receptions this year (2x current career #)
Waldvogel only needs 461 more punt return yards this year (2x+ current career #)
Waldvogel only needs 386 more kickoff return yards this year (2x current career #)


Good luck doing that in the next 5 weeks.