FB: Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[DustySJU]

Maniac:  Still waiting for your score prediction.  You can run, but you can't hide...

TDT-- you and you good bear buddy VOJ can stop salivating for my prediction. Here it is.

The drought of Biblical porportions cometh to an end. After 22 years without a win on the former cranberry field turned into a mecca for small college football, the Tommies will  board the busses back to St. Paul carrying the Holy Grail for the first time. UST 28, SJU 12. Setting the stage for a rematch in the 2nd round of the NCAAs at the House that IA Built...which will be one of the best games in the history of this rivalry

(what? you thought I'd pick against my alma mater?)

Wow...4 td's against the Johnnies D, that is a bit ambitious.  I see it as a 3 to 10 point game...either way.  There has been a major change in the Johnnies D since the opening two games...thinking less and just going out making plays.

Here is a subject for debate...what is UST's best win?  A down Concordia squad?  A Jeckyll and Hyde St. Olaf team?

If its Concordia consider the fact that the Cobbers made some mistakes, a blocked punt and an interception that UST returned for 6, so the game can be viewed as being closer than the final score would indicate

UST was down to St. Olaf at one point in time 14-13 and didn't the Oles have issues with FG's?

Just something to think about

The former contributor to www.johnniefootball.com refered to as "BrainBrew" covered some of this in an earlier post however the Johnnie and Tommie results from similar opponents are definitely "similar".  In fact the two teams' scores are practically identical.

Several significant differences do exist in that The Toms have yet to play a big game on the road while the Johnnies have four road wins and decent wins again two WIAC teams.  The Toms lone nonconference matchup was against Macalaster.

With identical scores against identical opponents, playing under potentially more difficult conditions while on the road, combined with multiple wins on the road and now a healthier Johnnie squad playing at home will give the J's the edge on Saturday.

No doubt it's a single game set to be played on a single afternoon with two well schooled teams.  Given a clean performance by the Johnnies QB & running backs the victory will go to the home team.

                SJU 28        River Falls, WI  24
                SJU 35        UW EClaire, WI 27               UST 54          Mac 14
                SJU 31        Cobb 17                               UST 31          Cobb 17
                SJU 38        GAC 10                                 UST 45          GAC 12
                SJU 16        BU 14                                   UST 27          Ole  16
                SJU 41        HU 7                                     UST 63          HU 10



Russell Gliadon - sharpen your toe!

VOJ:

Against Concordia, Tommies built a 31-10 lead before letting up a garbage score.  Yes they had a blocked punt and INT but both were after it was 21-10.  The Cobbers also fumbled twice inside the Johnnies 5 yard line at a point when the game was close, so maybe THAT score was inflated.

Dusty:

Decent wins against 1 WIAC team.  Why do people think UWRF was good?  They weren't and they aren't.  And I will say this AGAIN...playing on the road DOES NOT MATTER.  It has little to no effect on the game.  They take a bus for an hour and a half, get there with plenty of time to get loose, and then think of how awesome it'll be to win and disappoint 10,000 Johnnie fans.  Road game is not a factor.  And I realize you said potentially more difficult conditions, but I can't stand when people bring up this argument.

I think it will take more than a clean game by the SJU's running backs and quarterback.  They are gonna have to do something game-breaking to give the Johnnies an edge over UST's D, and I don't know if that'll happen.   But, I'll also say it again, spreading them out turns UST's defense into a defense that is very scorable against.  If they do this, then my prediction will probably get trampled on.

A clean game by UST's runningbacks and quarterback could easily result in 4 scores for them and a win.

That's where we'll part company... for SJU to travel 2 1/2 hours west and then play on a natural surface it does make a difference.

For UST to play in the MIAC's most heralded surroundings it does make a difference.

Now if the Johnnie fans can get off their arse's and cheer it would make a huge difference.

I think I just identified my campaign for 2010.

Developing....

I will concede that if the team is going from artificial to natural or vice versa, it can sometimes make a difference.  Usually depending upon the makeup of the team.

As for where you play though, I will not go quietly into the knight! (replace the I with a we, and a line from one of the best movie speeches ever appears)  Every player I've ever known loved playing up at SJU.  It's a fun and crazy environment.  I just don't believe it has an effect. 

.... then you missed a 49 yard field goal a couple weeks back.

That field goal had nothing to do with SJU's field or atmosphere.  It was the players.  It is nice to play at home for various reasons, but not because it affects your gameplay.  Ask a Carleton team that drove 4 and a half hours Saturday morning to beat CCM last year.  Or a SJU team that drove 2 hours to play at Carleton last year.

VOJ:  Ok, I had no idea what his number was, I just assumed it was 30.

Or the slight north to south breeze that picked up just as Gliadon booted the kick, clearing the cross bar with plenty to spare?

[cobbernation]

It's like a tree in N.D., very rare.

There's a pretty girl behind every one!

Pretty girls in N.D.  I will wait for that Ripley's Believe or Not episode for confirmation!   

Many of them become Cobbers...so bite your tongue!

I wouldn't say many!

[57Johnnie]

What's with all this history mystery? Tomorrow's 2 games:
JOHNNIES/tommies
Veek/TDT
are what counts ............now   Give your predictions

GO JOHNNIES!!!

[sjusection105]

What's with all this history mystery? Tomorrow's 2 games:
JOHNNIES/tommies
Veek/TDT
are what counts ............now   Give your predictions

GO JOHNNIES!!!

57-

I'll take Veek over TDT - in a TKO 17 seconds

I'll take the Johnnies by 2 scores!

[finsleft]

I'm sure my absence of late had you all fearing I had floated away in a balloon. Relax, I was just hiding behind a pile of Hamm's cans in the gee-rodge.

So bet a Hamm's on this: SJU 22
                                         USTD 17

[bennie]

We have a couple posters who would literally have B.E.'s baby. I'm looking at you, TDT.

Whatever happened to Prophet? I think he had the biggest man-crush on Blake. Then again, who can blame him!

[TC]

What's with all this history mystery? Tomorrow's 2 games:
JOHNNIES/tommies
Veek/TDT
are what counts ............now   Give your predictions

GO JOHNNIES!!!

St. Thomas 31, St. John's 14
Veek in a blowout.

I hope I'm wrong...

...about St. Thomas.

[WithasilentK]

Maniac:  Still waiting for your score prediction.  You can run, but you can't hide...

TDT-- you and you good bear buddy VOJ can stop salivating for my prediction. Here it is.

The drought of Biblical porportions cometh to an end. After 22 years without a win on the former cranberry field turned into a mecca for small college football, the Tommies will  board the busses back to St. Paul carrying the Holy Grail for the first time. UST 28, SJU 12. Setting the stage for a rematch in the 2nd round of the NCAAs at the House that IA Built...which will be one of the best games in the history of this rivalry

(what? you thought I'd pick against my alma mater?)

Wow...4 td's against the Johnnies D, that is a bit ambitious.  I see it as a 3 to 10 point game...either way.  There has been a major change in the Johnnies D since the opening two games...thinking less and just going out making plays.

Here is a subject for debate...what is UST's best win?  A down Concordia squad?  A Jeckyll and Hyde St. Olaf team?

If its Concordia consider the fact that the Cobbers made some mistakes, a blocked punt and an interception that UST returned for 6, so the game can be viewed as being closer than the final score would indicate

UST was down to St. Olaf at one point in time 14-13 and didn't the Oles have issues with FG's?

Just something to think about

The former contributor to www.johnniefootball.com refered to as "BrainBrew" covered some of this in an earlier post however the Johnnie and Tommie results from similar opponents are definitely "similar".  In fact the two teams' scores are practically identical.

Several significant differences do exist in that The Toms have yet to play a big game on the road while the Johnnies have four road wins and decent wins again two WIAC teams.  The Toms lone nonconference matchup was against Macalaster.

With identical scores against identical opponents, playing under potentially more difficult conditions while on the road, combined with multiple wins on the road and now a healthier Johnnie squad playing at home will give the J's the edge on Saturday.

No doubt it's a single game set to be played on a single afternoon with two well schooled teams.  Given a clean performance by the Johnnies QB & running backs the victory will go to the home team.

                SJU 28        River Falls, WI  24
                SJU 35        UW EClaire, WI 27               UST 54          Mac 14
                SJU 31        Cobb 17                               UST 31          Cobb 17
                SJU 38        GAC 10                                 UST 45          GAC 12
                SJU 16        BU 14                                   UST 27          Ole  16
                SJU 41        HU 7                                     UST 63          HU 10



Russell Gliadon - sharpen your toe!

VOJ:

Against Concordia, Tommies built a 31-10 lead before letting up a garbage score.  Yes they had a blocked punt and INT but both were after it was 21-10.  The Cobbers also fumbled twice inside the Johnnies 5 yard line at a point when the game was close, so maybe THAT score was inflated.

Dusty:

Decent wins against 1 WIAC team.  Why do people think UWRF was good?  They weren't and they aren't.  And I will say this AGAIN...playing on the road DOES NOT MATTER.  It has little to no effect on the game.  They take a bus for an hour and a half, get there with plenty of time to get loose, and then think of how awesome it'll be to win and disappoint 10,000 Johnnie fans.  Road game is not a factor.  And I realize you said potentially more difficult conditions, but I can't stand when people bring up this argument.

I think it will take more than a clean game by the SJU's running backs and quarterback.  They are gonna have to do something game-breaking to give the Johnnies an edge over UST's D, and I don't know if that'll happen.   But, I'll also say it again, spreading them out turns UST's defense into a defense that is very scorable against.  If they do this, then my prediction will probably get trampled on.

A clean game by UST's runningbacks and quarterback could easily result in 4 scores for them and a win.

That's where we'll part company... for SJU to travel 2 1/2 hours west and then play on a natural surface it does make a difference.

For UST to play in the MIAC's most heralded surroundings it does make a difference.

Now if the Johnnie fans can get off their arse's and cheer it would make a huge difference.

I think I just identified my campaign for 2010.

Developing....

I will concede that if the team is going from artificial to natural or vice versa, it can sometimes make a difference.  Usually depending upon the makeup of the team.

As for where you play though, I will not go quietly into the knight! (replace the I with a we, and a line from one of the best movie speeches ever appears)  Every player I've ever known loved playing up at SJU.  It's a fun and crazy environment.  I just don't believe it has an effect. 

.... then you missed a 49 yard field goal a couple weeks back.

That field goal had nothing to do with SJU's field or atmosphere.  It was the players.  It is nice to play at home for various reasons, but not because it affects your gameplay.  Ask a Carleton team that drove 4 and a half hours Saturday morning to beat CCM last year.  Or a SJU team that drove 2 hours to play at Carleton last year.

VOJ:  Ok, I had no idea what his number was, I just assumed it was 30.

Or the slight north to south breeze that picked up just as Gliadon booted the kick, clearing the cross bar with plenty to spare?

Which is a factor that has nothing to do with playing away or the aura of SJU's field.  The wind may have been there at another field, may have not, regardless, that has nothing to say about a team coming in and not being able to play as well there.  Is it a great atmosphere?  Yes.  But too many Johnnie fans think that the atomosphere there affects the game.

[DustySJU]

Maniac:  Still waiting for your score prediction.  You can run, but you can't hide...

TDT-- you and you good bear buddy VOJ can stop salivating for my prediction. Here it is.

The drought of Biblical porportions cometh to an end. After 22 years without a win on the former cranberry field turned into a mecca for small college football, the Tommies will  board the busses back to St. Paul carrying the Holy Grail for the first time. UST 28, SJU 12. Setting the stage for a rematch in the 2nd round of the NCAAs at the House that IA Built...which will be one of the best games in the history of this rivalry

(what? you thought I'd pick against my alma mater?)

Wow...4 td's against the Johnnies D, that is a bit ambitious.  I see it as a 3 to 10 point game...either way.  There has been a major change in the Johnnies D since the opening two games...thinking less and just going out making plays.

Here is a subject for debate...what is UST's best win?  A down Concordia squad?  A Jeckyll and Hyde St. Olaf team?

If its Concordia consider the fact that the Cobbers made some mistakes, a blocked punt and an interception that UST returned for 6, so the game can be viewed as being closer than the final score would indicate

UST was down to St. Olaf at one point in time 14-13 and didn't the Oles have issues with FG's?

Just something to think about

The former contributor to www.johnniefootball.com refered to as "BrainBrew" covered some of this in an earlier post however the Johnnie and Tommie results from similar opponents are definitely "similar".  In fact the two teams' scores are practically identical.

Several significant differences do exist in that The Toms have yet to play a big game on the road while the Johnnies have four road wins and decent wins again two WIAC teams.  The Toms lone nonconference matchup was against Macalaster.

With identical scores against identical opponents, playing under potentially more difficult conditions while on the road, combined with multiple wins on the road and now a healthier Johnnie squad playing at home will give the J's the edge on Saturday.

No doubt it's a single game set to be played on a single afternoon with two well schooled teams.  Given a clean performance by the Johnnies QB & running backs the victory will go to the home team.

               SJU 28        River Falls, WI  24
               SJU 35        UW EClaire, WI 27               UST 54          Mac 14
               SJU 31        Cobb 17                               UST 31          Cobb 17
               SJU 38        GAC 10                                 UST 45          GAC 12
               SJU 16        BU 14                                   UST 27          Ole  16
               SJU 41        HU 7                                     UST 63          HU 10



Russell Gliadon - sharpen your toe!

VOJ:

Against Concordia, Tommies built a 31-10 lead before letting up a garbage score.  Yes they had a blocked punt and INT but both were after it was 21-10.  The Cobbers also fumbled twice inside the Johnnies 5 yard line at a point when the game was close, so maybe THAT score was inflated.

Dusty:

Decent wins against 1 WIAC team.  Why do people think UWRF was good?  They weren't and they aren't.  And I will say this AGAIN...playing on the road DOES NOT MATTER.  It has little to no effect on the game.  They take a bus for an hour and a half, get there with plenty of time to get loose, and then think of how awesome it'll be to win and disappoint 10,000 Johnnie fans.  Road game is not a factor.  And I realize you said potentially more difficult conditions, but I can't stand when people bring up this argument.

I think it will take more than a clean game by the SJU's running backs and quarterback.  They are gonna have to do something game-breaking to give the Johnnies an edge over UST's D, and I don't know if that'll happen.   But, I'll also say it again, spreading them out turns UST's defense into a defense that is very scorable against.  If they do this, then my prediction will probably get trampled on.

A clean game by UST's runningbacks and quarterback could easily result in 4 scores for them and a win.

That's where we'll part company... for SJU to travel 2 1/2 hours west and then play on a natural surface it does make a difference.

For UST to play in the MIAC's most heralded surroundings it does make a difference.

Now if the Johnnie fans can get off their arse's and cheer it would make a huge difference.

I think I just identified my campaign for 2010.

Developing....

I will concede that if the team is going from artificial to natural or vice versa, it can sometimes make a difference.  Usually depending upon the makeup of the team.

As for where you play though, I will not go quietly into the knight! (replace the I with a we, and a line from one of the best movie speeches ever appears)  Every player I've ever known loved playing up at SJU.  It's a fun and crazy environment.  I just don't believe it has an effect.  

.... then you missed a 49 yard field goal a couple weeks back.

That field goal had nothing to do with SJU's field or atmosphere.  It was the players.  It is nice to play at home for various reasons, but not because it affects your gameplay.  Ask a Carleton team that drove 4 and a half hours Saturday morning to beat CCM last year.  Or a SJU team that drove 2 hours to play at Carleton last year.

VOJ:  Ok, I had no idea what his number was, I just assumed it was 30.

Or the slight north to south breeze that picked up just as Gliadon booted the kick, clearing the cross bar with plenty to spare?

Which is a factor that has nothing to do with playing away or the aura of SJU's field.  The wind may have been there at another field, may have not, regardless, that has nothing to say about a team coming in and not being able to play as well there.  Is it a great atmosphere?  Yes.  But too many Johnnie fans think that the atomosphere there affects the game.

And most definitely.... we'll keep thinking and believing.

TC;  Put your head in the toilet.

[janesvilleflash]

SJU 40
USTD 10

Veek/TDT draw

[faunch]

St. Thomas 31, St. John's 14
Veek in a blowout.

I hope I'm wrong...

...about St. Thomas.

I tend to agree w/ TC....however I don't think the margin will be as wide a 14.  I just don't see that the Johnnies have the play-makers the Tommies do.  I also worry that Boyle is going to get himself in trouble and really rocked running around trying to buy time looking for an open receiver....oh yea...that's already happened about a dozen times....one of these times he'll get himself knocked out of the game. 
UST has much more to play for than the Johnnies....20 years of losing to SJU, the controversial loss last year and because of that I think the game environment could be a factor.   The Tom could come in way over-hyped and make some major mistakes.  I think they'll go right after some of the youth in our secondary which will be one of the keys to the game. 

I hope I'm wrong too TC but I see the Tomcats owning the day in 6 or 7 point game.

[sju56321]

If TC is right-hope not-I don't want to see this SJU team in the playoffs, because it could be real painful to play UWW in the opening round.

[Touchdown Tommy]

SJU 40
USTD 10

Veek/TDT draw

Flash: C'mon you have to pick a winner.  This isn't soccer.  No ties allowed!!!

[Robert Zimmerman]

UST will be playing "Just Like Tom Thumbs Blues" to console themselves when this one is over:

SJU-21
UST-14

[DustySJU]

St. Thomas 31, St. John's 14
Veek in a blowout.

I hope I'm wrong...

...about St. Thomas.

I tend to agree w/ TC....however I don't think the margin will be as wide a 14.  I just don't see that the Johnnies have the play-makers the Tommies do.  I also worry that Boyle is going to get himself in trouble and really rocked running around trying to buy time looking for an open receiver....oh yea...that's already happened about a dozen times....one of these times he'll get himself knocked out of the game. 
UST has much more to play for than the Johnnies....20 years of losing to SJU, the controversial loss last year and because of that I think the game environment could be a factor.   The Tom could come in way over-hyped and make some major mistakes.  I think they'll go right after some of the youth in our secondary which will be one of the keys to the game. 

I hope I'm wrong too TC but I see the Tomcats owning the day in 6 or 7 point game.

Yee of little faith.